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NFL radio had an interview with one of the playoff Qb's. I joined late so I don't know which one it was but he made a comment that raised a question. I was wondering if any of you knew the answer.

He was talking about dealing with the pressure and said something along the lines of ... same field ... same Wilson NFL football ...

Are college footballs different from the ones used in the NFL? If so how?

If they are different, that could explain some of the difficulty in evaluating college Qb's.

i always thought the college ball was slightly smaller

I think it's the same ball.

I remember a conversation about it a few seasons ago. Maybe when Frye and his small hands were here. IIRC the ball's the same but it has the stripes that go part way around the ball at each end. The NFL ball has no stripes.

I'm really not that sure. It's just what I think I remember from that thread back then.

Hah! Apparently they're using two different balls in the NCAA ...



Wilson
NCAA 1001 Football
Used by the NCAA.
$59.99
Exact size as the NFL football. Used by more NCAA teams than any other football model.



Wilson
NCAA 1005 Football
An officially licensed football of the NCAA
$59.99
An official NCAA game ball that is slightly more narrow than the 1001 football.


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why did I think the college ball was bigger? lol.

Because it looked smaller in Greene's/any other Georgia QBs hands to you?

Maybe that needs to be an interview question when evaluating a college Qb prospect. Which football did your school use?

Quote:

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In nine years of preparing draft-eligible players for the interview process at the NFL combine, Ken Herock has worked with more than 500 players, including 40 quarterbacks, readying them for the crucial Q-and-A session that each prospect must undergo at the February audition in Indianapolis.

But never has Herock -- a longtime talent evaluator who spent most of his 40 seasons in the league as a personnel director or general manager -- encountered a product like Florida QB Tim Tebow.

In an unsolicited phone call to ESPN.com earlier this week, Herock, who worked with Tebow for several hours, uncharacteristically gushed about the Gators' star.

"He's by far the best [prospect] with whom I've ever worked," said Herock, who operates "Pro Prep," a popular service that simulates a combine interview and familiarizes players on the subjects with which they will be confronted by league scouts. "He walks into a room and he just energizes it. Whatever 'it' is, he's definitely got 'it.' … Even for a guy like me, who's done this for so long, you almost get goosebumps."

The 2007 Heisman Trophy winner, and one of the most celebrated players in recent college history, Tebow has received decidedly mixed predictions about his NFL future from critics evaluating the 2010 talent pool. Most rate him behind at least two quarterback prospects, Jimmy Clausen of Notre Dame and Oklahoma's Sam Bradford, and some have him rated even with Colt McCoy of Texas. Citing his low delivery and an elongated release, critics contend that Tebow lacks the physical skills that will make him a first-round selection.

Others suggest Tebow must play another position -- fullback, H-back or perhaps linebacker or safety -- in the NFL. It conjures up memories of 2001 Heisman winner Eric Crouch of Nebraska, a college quarterback drafted by the St. Louis Rams in the third round in 2002 as a wide receiver. He failed to make it at that position or at safety.

The four-hour tutorial designed by Herock doesn't necessarily deal with a player's athletic skills. But Herock has long believed that a top-flight quarterback is necessary to win in the NFL, and during his league career, he drafted prominent passers such as Doug Williams, Steve Young, Chris Miller and Brett Favre. He has an estimable track record at the game's most difficult position. This week he took some time out to watch and evaluate Tebow on the practice field.

Tebow is working on his physical skills with former NFL quarterback Zeke Bratkowski. Onetime NFL quarterbacks coach Marc Trestman, currently head coach of the CFL's Montreal Alouettes, has worked some with Tebow at the blackboard on the mental part and X's and O's of the game. After playing in coach Urban Meyer's spread offense, in which the quarterback is almost never directly under center, Tebow has been working on taking the snap more conventionally.

Herock believes Tebow is making solid progress in addressing what are generally perceived as his physical shortcomings, and noted that his intangibles are hard to ignore.

Said Herock: "His release might be a little low at this point, but a lot of people talked about Philip Rivers' delivery too before he was drafted, and look at what he's done. I've heard all the supposed [negatives]. But I watched [Tebow] on the field and his velocity is good enough, and so is his accuracy. As far as his learning, you don't have to tell him anything twice. And he's a student of the game. I recommended that he watch some tapes of Steve Young, and he said, 'Oh, I've already done that.' He wants to be good. He wants to succeed. And he will succeed."

In some ways, Herock said, Tebow reminds him of Favre, whom he took in the second round of the 1991 draft in Atlanta. The Florida star probably doesn't have Favre's brashness, noted Herock, but his presence is beyond charismatic.

"I've seen him on TV and heard all the stuff about him, and you think to yourself, 'It's too good to be all be true,'" Herock said. "But there is nothing phony about him at all. He's about as genuine as you can get. If there was one word I would use to describe him, it would be 'winner.'

"People will have to convince me he's not a quarterback and that he won't succeed."

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Len Pasquerelli

I kinda get a kick out of being somewhat vindicated. Not that we know this Herock is absolutly correct with his analysis. but he certainly has the creditials..

He said that Tebow as "IT".. Now, let me think,, where else have we heard that

To be fair, he also pointed out what some critics are speaking of. so it's not like it's being ignored..

I don't think anyone denies Tebow having it.

People don't think he can play QB, that's the main concern.

I do think he can play QB in the NFL...given time to learn a system and good, stable coaching.

Also, in the article I posted the Herock compares Tebow's delivery to Rivers. I don't think that's a fair comparison. Tebow has a long, slow delivery. Rivers has a short quick delivery. Apples and oranges.

Tebow has rough first day at Senior Bowl

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 25, 2010 7:53 PM ET
Already tired of Favre Watch 2010? Then can I interest you in a little Tebow Watch?

We pass along reviews of Tebow's first day at Senior Bowl practice with the knowledge that the buildup to the NFL Draft will be a long one, with many ups and downs for Tebow. Monday was a downer.

Lindsay Soto on NFL Network: Tebow fumbled the first snap from center, then botched roughly 5-6 more during the day. Tebow is used to playing out of shotgun.

Chris Mortensen on Twitter: "First impression from NFL folks on Tebow at Senior Bowl -- it is indeed going to be a challenging process for him."

Stephen Holder of the St. Petersburg Times: "I'm on the sideline at the Senior Bowl practice and let's just say Tim Tebow is not exactly lighting it up. Horrible mechanics and accuracy."

Tebow will get a chance to rebound in the next three days of practice on NFL Network.

I sure wish TWC would get me the NFL Network,, I'm missing all the good stuff...

My cable company can't afford the dollar a day it would take for them to provide me with the NFL network.

This is the time of the year when it really comes in handy.

Im not reading 9 pages to see if anyone brought up Lefevour, but I hope the Browns draft him if he can fall to the 3rd round. Lefevour will be better than McCoy and Bradford.