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Just Clickin Lebron I just had to share something. My nine year old daughter is a big basketball fan,she was sitting there watching the game with me but her mom made her go to bed at her 9 o clock bedtime. I was sitting there watching the game and when Lebron went coast to coast after Gasols missed FTs I hear a loud "YES!!!!" come from her room. I go in there and she is sitting there at 1045 at night with her blanket over the TV so we cant see the glow of the TV coming from her room, watching the game. I couldnt be mad at her, I just couldnt  KING
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I was sitting there watching the game and when Lebron went coast to coast after Gasols missed FTs I hear a loud "YES!!!!" come from her room. I go in there and she is sitting there at 1045 at night with her blanket over the TV so we cant see the glow of the TV coming from her room, watching the game.
I couldnt be mad at her, I just couldnt
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Haha...I remember doing the exact same thing when I was little (days of the Cavs/Bulls rivalry).... I knew my bedtime was at 9....but my Dad would be grading papers, and would sometimes forget what time it was.
So at 8:45 I'd start turning down the TV volume in the living room real low (my dad graded papers in the kitchen), until it was almost inaudible by 9 (so he couldn't hear it shutoff) and then I would lay as still as possible.....sometimes i managed to stay out there until 9:30 or so.
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The thing that has impressed me the most with the Thunder this year is that a young team is playing great defense. Thats a testament to their coach and the young players buying in. On of the most fun teams to watch this year along with memphis.
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and i can't see lbj going to a team who's got a new coach coming in. he is not gonna go through another rebuild as he starts to enter his prime.
i think the cavs are the odds on favorites to keep him.
No crap, thats why I asked if you actually read the article, Bill Simmons would agree with that, he just gave the top 5 logical choices IF he were to leave Cleveland, he isnt saying those are the Lebrons top 5 and Cleveland isnt on the list. Simmons knows Cleveland is his best option.
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i don't see chicago on this list. it has been talked about very little around here. i know they have cap space and are trying to get more, but i just don't see them as a legitimate candidate. not to mention they may be firing a coach. and i can't see lbj going to a team who's got a new coach coming in. he is not gonna go through another rebuild as he starts to enter his prime.
For the most part, I agree, but Chicago is building a nucleus with Rose and Noah. They aren't far from turning themselves into a contender. If they can get a consistent coach, with credentials, they are an enticing option.
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and if anyone has not been paying attention to the nba outside of the cavs, the thunder are not last year's thunder, they are much better and kevin durant is playing his way into a spot as a top 5 player in the league. tomorrow is not a gimme by any means.
You don't need to tell me that. Kevin Durant's potential is absolutely amazing, he's putting up scoring efficiency numbers similar to LeBron at 21.
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I hear you. I think that play was one of the best moves I've seen LeBron make. It should be all over the highlights for the YEAR. But since it was Kobe that he schooled it won't be. It was the play where Kobe went down, and then Kicked LeBron for a foul as LeBron was driving to the hoop.
I meant to comment on this as well. I couldn't believe the excuses they were making for Kobe. They said he was off balance and that's why he fell - never recognizing the reason he was off balance was because of the move by LBJ. This is another reason I don't watch the NBA much anymore besides being busy. I think just about everything Donaghy said was true.
I also maintain that while Kobe is one of the best players of all-time, he is also the most overrated. Maybe that's an oxymoron, but I believe it's true. He gets more credit than he deserves because he is a supreme scorer - maybe second only to Jordan - and scoring is what people notice. He is a below average passer, rebounder, and team defender. He is also a much overrated one-on-one defender, and the fact that he has continued to be placed on 1st team all defense teams is a farce in and of itself. And even though he is a supreme scorer, the guy needs tons of shots to get his points. He's never shot a decent fg% in his entire career.
I maintain if you put LeBron on the Lakers, they'd win seventy games easy ... he's nearly as good a scorer and is superior in the following categories - passing, rebounding, team defender. You can argue he's a better one-on-one defender too.
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I hear you. I think that play was one of the best moves I've seen LeBron make. It should be all over the highlights for the YEAR. But since it was Kobe that he schooled it won't be. It was the play where Kobe went down, and then Kicked LeBron for a foul as LeBron was driving to the hoop.
I was listening to the LA Broadcast on the drive home ... and even supreme Laker homer Michael Thompson was saying, "What was that? I think Kobe tripped on his shoe laces or something"
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I agree 100 % Rish, Lebron is a better PLAYER than Kobe. Kobe does not have the all around game the Bron has. I think people who really know the game of basketball understand this. The people who only see the scoring do not. Kobe is and incredible physical basketball player,putting strength aside,a little better than Lebron. The way they play the game combining the mental aspect of the game,Lebron is much better. Lebron gets his teamates involved,he makes them better. Kobe is like Jordan,in Jordans early years,Lebron is quickly growing into Jordan,in his championship winning years.
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CLEVELAND -- The Cleveland Cavaliers have signed point guard Cedric Jackson to a 10-day contract.
The move Saturday was prompted by injuries to Mo Williams and Delonte West in the past few days. The team lost Williams to a sprained shoulder and West to a broken finger.
Williams is out for at least one month, and the club doesn't know how long it will be without West. He was injured in Thursday night's win over the Lakers -- his first start replacing Williams.
Jackson, who played at Cleveland State, will give Cleveland some depth behind Daniel Gibson, who will start at the point Saturday night against Oklahoma City.
The 6-foot-3 Jackson averaged 14.7 points and 7.6 assists for Erie of the NBA Development League.
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I agree 100 % Rish, Lebron is a better PLAYER than Kobe. Kobe does not have the all around game the Bron has. I think people who really know the game of basketball understand this. The people who only see the scoring do not. Kobe is and incredible physical basketball player,putting strength aside,a little better than Lebron. The way they play the game combining the mental aspect of the game,Lebron is much better. Lebron gets his teamates involved,he makes them better. Kobe is like Jordan,in Jordans early years,Lebron is quickly growing into Jordan,in his championship winning years.
Actually, I kind of disagree with you. Kobe is not like Jordan in his early years at all. He's much more like Jordan in his '96-'98 years. However, Kobe's biggest problem is that he doesn't have the strength in the post or the same midrange game to excel in the same manner as Jordan did in '96-'98. But Jordan only became that type of player when he returned after his first retirement. He still took high percentage shots, just 10 feet from the basket instead of 2.
LBJ is so much more like a young Jordan. When Jordan was coming up, he attacked the basket relentlessly, took high percentage shots, and demoralized teams by getting to the rim. He was also an underrated passer and rebounder - probably not quite as good as LBJ through 3 1/2 quarters, but just as good with the game on the line. He'd find the open guy, he'd get the key rebound. He was so much more than probably the best scorer of all time - just like LBJ is so much more than a scorer.
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can't belive we didn't go after antonio daniels, the guy is a solid pg and would be great to help the next few weeks go by.
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Actually, I kind of disagree with you. Kobe is not like Jordan in his early years at all. He's much more like Jordan in his '96-'98 years. However, Kobe's biggest problem is that he doesn't have the strength in the post or the same midrange game to excel in the same manner as Jordan did in '96-'98. But Jordan only became that type of player when he returned after his first retirement. He still took high percentage shots, just 10 feet from the basket instead of 2.
LBJ is so much more like a young Jordan. When Jordan was coming up, he attacked the basket relentlessly, took high percentage shots, and demoralized teams by getting to the rim. He was also an underrated passer and rebounder - probably not quite as good as LBJ through 3 1/2 quarters, but just as good with the game on the line. He'd find the open guy, he'd get the key rebound. He was so much more than probably the best scorer of all time - just like LBJ is so much more than a scorer.
But you are takin what I am saying and only applying it to Jordans physical game. I am referring more to the mental aspects of his game. In his early career Jordan was a pure scorer,as Kobe is now. It was when Jordan really learned the game mentally that his all around game became so awesome. It was when he developed into a champion, and the greatest player ever.
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is anyone watching this Cavaliers-OKC game? LB was fouled hard going to the hoop and at the free throw line, the boom mic must have been squarely centerd on him, because he dropped a few f bombs heard on FSN.  one of the producers need to relocate that mute button 
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But you are takin what I am saying and only applying it to Jordans physical game. I am referring more to the mental aspects of his game. In his early career Jordan was a pure scorer,as Kobe is now. It was when Jordan really learned the game mentally that his all around game became so awesome. It was when he developed into a champion, and the greatest player ever.
Actually, although Jordan was a smarter player as his career went on, you could argue he was a better all around player in his early years. He nearly averaged a triple double in the late 80s with 32+ pts/game, 8+ assists/game, and 8+rebounds/game. I believe that same year he had a string of 9 triple doubles in 10 games. Coincidentally, he had taken on some of the PG duties during that stretch, if I recall correctly.
Jordan undoubtedly became more savvy as his career drug on ... there may not have ever been a smarter player ... but he was always an all around player. He was just so beautiful to watch scoring the basketball that the other things got overlooked.
On a side note, if you ever get a chance, youtube Jordan's Top 10 passes of all-time. Some amazing passes in there. The one against the Lakers in '96 to Pippen on the break maybe the best pass I've ever seen ... it was like he had eyes in the back of his head.
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Kevin Durant is a great player. - Couldn't believe some of the stuff he did last night.
You could tell in college he was going to be a star. Scoring machine.
Man, I love those old Cavs jerseys. Takes me back to the Price, Daugherty, Williams, Ehlo, Nance days ... love those. Wouldn't mind if they wore them all the time.
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Man, I love those old Cavs jerseys. Takes me back to the Price, Daugherty, Williams, Ehlo, Nance days ... love those. Wouldn't mind if they wore them all the time.
I don't know, those wine and gold jerseys from the 70s? are freaking awesome.
While I love the orange and blue cause I grew up with those, the wine and gold look phenominal.
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The Cavaliers are smack in the middle of this five game road trip, and although Golden State is just a game above .500, they are a tough test for the Cavs on a back to back.
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Or the Cavs unis always look awesome when they're taken names and kickin' asses. Winning I think has somethin' to do with that is all I'm sayin'... For the record, though, I have to go with our standard white jerseys. Mainly because the only basketball jersey I own is the #23 in white.
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Suns big man Amare Stoudemire will be a free agent in the offseason.
• Cavs give LeBron warm support, but Heat takes cool approachMIAMI -- The Arizona Republic reported late Sunday night that the Cavaliers are one of three teams to be in talks recently with the Suns about trading for star Amare Stoudemire.
The reporter on this story is the Republic's Paul Coro, which why there is a blog going up on this topic now and it is not being regarded as common fodder. Coro has a good reputation for being credible. For example, was the first to report the Cavs and Suns had re-started trade talks for Shaquille O'Neal last June.
I had not heard the Cavs have discussed trading for Stoudemire, but league sources have said the Suns are quite worried that Stoudemire plans to leave via free agency next summer and have been looking for a commitment from him now. If they can't get it, a source told me last week, they will press ahead looking to make a deal before next month's deadline.
The Suns have already made several salary-dumping trades over the last year, the biggest was sending O'Neal to the Cavs for Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic, which saved the team more than $10 million when both players were bought out figuring in luxury tax savings.
It would be surprising that the Suns would want to do another salary dump trade with a star but it isn't impossible. This move potentially could save team owner Robert Sarver another $10 million and perhaps more.
The natural trade that makes sense here would be Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson for Stoudemire. The Suns could also ask for draft picks, the Cavs own their full slate of first round picks in the future. The Cavs and Suns talked about Hickson the O'Neal deal but the Cavs wanted to keep him. So the Suns have a history of interest in Hickson. They also considered drafting him in 2008 but took Robin Lopez instead.
Straight up, this type of deal would save the Suns around $3.4 million off their payroll ($6.8 million including luxury tax). However, the Suns currently are a little more than $5 million over the luxury tax line. It is then possible they could then negotiate a buyout with Ilgauskas and get below the tax, which would probably enable such a trade to save them around $10 million in real money. The cash advantage could actually increase because, if the Suns got below the tax line of $69.9 million, they would be able to get their share from the fund created by the tax-paying teams. In other words, it would be worth millions more.
In addition, because of a clause in his contract, Ilgauskas has already been paid about 75 percent of his $11.5 million salary this season. He would be owed a trade kicker of around $2 million but the Suns could save up to $3 million in the swap from money already paid to Ilgauskas that wouldn't have to come out of their coffers. All of that is subject to negotiation, of course, but the point here is this is a potential deal worth lots of money to Phoenix if they worked all these details out. But, in short, it is complicated.
Coro reports that the Golden State Warriors and the Minnesota Timberwolves have also talked to the Suns. The Suns and Warriors nearly pulled a deal for Stoudemire last June before the draft but it fell apart. There is little doubt that both the Wolves and Warriors could put together more talent-rich offers for Stoudemire. The Cavs cannot and will not offer the same package of young players.
But with Stoudemire having the right to become a free agent this summer, it would be foolish for either team to trade for him without an agreement he'd re-sign with them. He already made it clear he didn't want to go to Golden State last summer, which was one of the sticking points to that failed trade. It is hard to believe he'd want to stay in Minnesota, which is in the middle of a large rebuilding project.
That factor reduces Stoudemire's value on the trade market and why such a deal would make some sense for the Cavs. Stoudemire has said he wants to play for a contender but probably would also be attracted to New York or Miami in the offseason. So the danger is the Cavs may find themselves renting him as well.
Another issue in thinking about this potential trade, however, is Stoudemire's relationship with O'Neal. The people in Phoenix say that O'Neal and Stoudemire got along just fine in the locker room but they didn't so much on the floor. Their styles got in each other's way and it was one of the reasons the Suns first thought about trading Stoudemire a year ago and then flirted with the idea again in the summer before trading O'Neal instead.
Stoudemire is a pick-and-roll specialist who loves going to the rim. O'Neal was often in his way. It is questionable whether pairing them together again would work on the floor or be acceptable to either player. There would have to be agreement on all sides and that doesn't count Ilgauskas, who would have to agree to a buyout to make the trade even come together.
Of course, LeBron James is in the picture as playmaker but O'Neal and Stoudemire had Steve Nash, one of the greatest playmakers of this era, to help in Phoenix. So all of this could be simple posturing and due diligence from the Cavs. They'd have to be convinced they two could work together and that they would have a good chance of re-signing Stoudemire to go forward with it.
If nothing else this rumor should create a lot of chatter, which is why fans like this time of year. If I didn't think there was some basis for it or that it wasn't possible this blog would not have been written.
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i think jamison fits a bigger need this year, however stoudemire is young (although i still worry about his knee) and a bit more powerful down low.
either guy would vastly improve an already very good team. i think we need to make a move like that.
we look really good right now, like the best team in the league. and to be honest, the lakers from the point where boston embarassed them in the finals, to the point of them beating orlando, did not really add anyone significant, they simply got better. they got a favorable matchup in the finals and took care of business. the cavs can hope for that or go out and get that much needed second scoring guy.
gun to my head, right now i would probably take jamison, only because we are so close to a championship. i think the smarter move is stoudemire, (assuming we were to give up the same in either deal)
it would be nice to have a sign and trade with stoudemire, but some will know better than me, im not sure u can even do that during the season. but it would be nice to show lebron that hey, we got you a scoring machine big, and we got him locked up for some years.
i think the big question is, and i think ferry and co. will know more than us, does amare want to come long term? or does he want to win a ring and go?
u take jamison, you also get a few more years of solid play, and i don't think the guy's body is gonna fall apart, he ain't young, but he ain't old either. his track record is pretty good, most he has missed since his first 2 seasons is about 14 games.
i think he can buy into mike brown's philosophy, about being physical and playing defense.
stoudemire's range is not really good, and we honestly don't know how good he'd be in a halfcourt offense when you take away a lot of the uncontested baskets in that run and gun system.
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Agree, Jamison is my #1. I don't like Amare, so I don't want him. I don't think he helps us.
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Agree, Jamison is my #1. I don't like Amare, so I don't want him. I don't think he helps us.
yeah, i think the other thing is, jamison, while not ancient, realizes he's in the back 9 of his career, and will want that ring badly. i think he will make the sacrifices that stoudemire may not make immediately, much like allen, garnett, and pierce did 2 years ago. they all made sacrficies to their game for the better of the team.
i thought i read somewhere that washington doesn't want to trade jamison or butler, but i don't buy a word of that, i think they want other buyers to come in. the cavs don't have a ton of young talent to give away, and i bet washington would rather not give a team they consider a rival, a key piece to a championship puzzle. but i guarantee you these talks heat up in the next few weeks.
maybe this stoudemire talk is all bs too, just to get washington to panic a little bit, that team needs to be bailed out financially with a trade like that.
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My problem with Amare is that he is a me first player who thinks he is better than he really is. He has shown over his career that he has ZERO interest in playing defense. If he doesnt want to play defense than how is he any better than JJ Hickson? Both are athletic guys who can jump out of the stadium. Just not sure how much Amare makes us.
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Hands down Jamison fits better here for no other reason than the fact that he can knock down jump shots. Having a big that can do that stretches the court and allows LeBron to do his thing more effectively. It also allows Shaq to do his damage without alot of bodies around him.
I don't like the thought of giving up Hickson in the deal, but if you can get Jamision, you have to do it. I would personally stay away from Amare. I don't see how he could help us.
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if we pull off a deadline deal, we may not have have to. if they have no other choice we have the upper hand.
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I agree. Not a huge fan of Amare overall. I just dont see the fit or the big upgrade over Hickson. I guess he's played longer and put up solid numbers, not sure he'd put those up here without Nach giving him and the ball and Shaq clogging the lane. Then again Hickson is a similar player and works well with Shaq. I dont hate the idea of getting Amare, I just dont see the huge upgrade to go along with the money increase in a basketball sense.
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I agree. Not a huge fan of Amare overall. I just dont see the fit or the big upgrade over Hickson. I guess he's played longer and put up solid numbers, not sure he'd put those up here without Nach giving him and the ball and Shaq clogging the lane. Then again Hickson is a similar player and works well with Shaq. I dont hate the idea of getting Amare, I just dont see the huge upgrade to go along with the money increase in a basketball sense.
really??? really???
Comparing Hickson to Amare (at this point especially) is like comparing Brady Quinn to Peyton Manning.
As to the actual post - I have no clue how this would work out - and so I'm not going to get my hopes up. The best we could offer is Z+Hickson+2 1sts+Eyenga+Kaun - and I don't see how that is enough (I think other teams would offer some big time players as we get close to the deadline).
It would probably have to be some sort of 3 way deal where we trade one of our bigger players in order to send some more talent to Phoenix.
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Its fine to throw blanket statements out there but I would like to hear some insight into why that is such a shocker to you? Amare has the athletic ability to rebound and provide a strong post game very silimar to JJ Hickson. He isn't tough down low, doesnt box out well, and gets lost on the defensive end. I didnt think what I was saying was such a shocker. Amare does provide a better mid range jump shot. so I'll give him the edge there.
Also on a side note, Comparing Hickson to Amare is not the same as Quinn to Manning, because in that analogy you are then saying that Amare is the best the player in the NBA, which is FAR from reality. Perhaps a better analogy to illustrate your point would be Quinn to Kyle Orton/Joe Flacco.
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I hope we don't make a trade, just for the sake of making a trade. We're a pretty dang-good team as it is.
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Hands down Jamison fits better here for no other reason than the fact that he can knock down jump shots. Having a big that can do that stretches the court and allows LeBron to do his thing more effectively. It also allows Shaq to do his damage without alot of bodies around him.
Ummm...methinks you have your players confused:
efg% on jump shots:
Amare - .483 (54% of total shots, 67% assisted)
Jamison - .448 (68% of total shots, 88% assisted)
So Amare is actually a significantly better jump shooter than Jamison (he has been for years). He doesn't choose to shoot the 3 ball, which is the only real difference here. But he's vastly superior to Jamison in almost every other facet of the game (they both suck at defense - but Jamison isn't any better)
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You also fail to mention that one is in the NBA's most prolific offense with this decades greatest PG giving him the ball, and the other is the best player on his team with Randy Foye and Nick Young giving him the ball. One has two defenders and hands in his face every posession and the other gets open looks. Being in DC i have been able to see many of the Wizards games this season and what 'Twuan is doing is fairly incredible on such a crappy team.
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You also fail to mention that one is in the NBA's most prolific offense with this decades greatest PG giving him the ball, and the other is the best player on his team with Randy Foye and Nick Young giving him the ball. One has two defenders and hands in his face every posession and the other gets open looks. Being in DC i have been able to see many of the Wizards games this season and what 'Twuan is doing is fairly incredible on such a crappy team.
The conventional wisdom is that it is much easier to be great on a crappy team than on a great team.
But talking about being feeded from teammates....Amare is only assisted on 67% of jump shots and 56% of his close shots. On the other hand, Jamison is assisted on 88% of jump shots and 60% of his close shots.
So that helps to correct for who is feeding him. Amare isn't just getting easy assists from Nash...in fact he gets a relatively low number of assisted shots.
Add in that Amare is a better rebounder...and would run an almost unstoppable pick and roll alongside Lebron (remember when lebron spends minutes every game trying it with Mo?) Amare probably runs the most unstoppable pick and roll in the game.
Offensively: Mo+LBJ+Amare+Shaq would be utterly unstoppable. Mike Browns only job would be making them a reasonable defensive team.
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I hope we don't make a trade, just for the sake of making a trade. We're a pretty dang-good team as it is.
I agree with this, but I am fairly certain we will not win a championship as currently constructed.. Regular season is all well and good, but it scares me thinking that other teams do not even have to guard our 4 or 5 when they are more than 7 or 8 feet away from the bucket.. We need one more piece, and it needs to a more consistent option starting at the 4.. I am of the opinion that I cannot see us winning a title with JJ starting at the 4.. I just don't see it.. The guy plays well in stretches, but he can also disappear in stretches (like 2 or 3 straight games), and that ain't going to cut it against a Boston/Orlando/LA in a 7 game series..
Hope I am wrong, but we are going to need a more consistent option than JJ starting in the playoffs for me to feel confident about bringing home the whole enchilada..
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I am of the opinion that I cannot see us winning a title with JJ starting at the 4.. I just don't see it.. The guy plays well in stretches, but he can also disappear in stretches (like 2 or 3 straight games), and that ain't going to cut it against a Boston/Orlando/LA in a 7 game series..
hickson held his own against the lakers last thursday, but gasol owned him early on but for whatever reason, they went away from that. maybe it was shaq beating him up.
but yeah, he does scare me. if boston gets their act together, i'd worry about their 2 bigs picking on him. wallace and/or garnett would eat him alive.
i think the cavs are in great position though. they don't have to make either of these moves. it would be nice, but if they don't i still like their chances. i still think they will be a force in the playoffs.
so i think they can go into trade talks with a little bit of a hard bargain on their mind.
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