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2 things in reply to topics in this thread.
#1 Amare would be sweet as we could have an incredible smallball lineup that would be absolutely lethal. (Mo, Delonte, LeBron, Amare, AV)....I would rather have him than Jamison because you could even cut bait after the year if you really needed to, not to mention he is younger, more athletic, et cetera
#2 I really like the Cedric Jackson signing.....C-State Viking (Jackson) and St. Ed (Jawad) guys on the Cavs roster is fun. Plus, the 10-day contract (guys like Brevin and Daniels likely wouldn't do) keeps a certain amount of roster flexibility going towards the trade deadline. Good move by Ferry.
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You make some valid points regarding Amare, but I just dont think he is the best fit. I've been down on him since his injury and am not sure he is the guy we need. I also dont buy for ONE second that he is a better rebounder than Jamison.
Either way I dont think its worth arguing about bc the likely hood of it happening is below 10%.
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Just wondering out loud here ... What would happen if Amare gets traded to the Cavs before the All-Star game? Does he go as a Cav? Does he put on a West jersey and represent the west? Does he play the first half for the West, then the 2nd half for the East?
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Just wondering out loud here ... What would happen if Amare gets traded to the Cavs before the All-Star game? Does he go as a Cav? Does he put on a West jersey and represent the west? Does he play the first half for the West, then the 2nd half for the East?
if i had to guess, i think he still plays for the west. but i could be wrong. have we ever really seen that situation before?
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Maybe with 'Sheed when he went from Portland to the Hawks/Pistons?
@Lyuokdea been doing a bit of reseach and looking into what others think of Amare and how he would fit in with Cleveland. While they dont think the deal is likely they think he is an upgrade over Hickson on the offensive end. Say he would be great off the pick and roll and can create his own shot near the basket. However they are also saying he is an avg rebounder at best, and ... poor uninterested defender. I think this can be corrected as Mike Brown has even gotten Boobie to play what looks like a semblance of defense. Something which is something short of a miracle. Overall I like the deal and thinks it helps the Cavs overall, though I still have my doubts that it puts us over the top as the easy favorites to win it all.
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You make some valid points regarding Amare, but I just dont think he is the best fit. I've been down on him since his injury and am not sure he is the guy we need. I also dont buy for ONE second that he is a better rebounder than Jamison.
Amare rebounding last 5 years:
09 13.8
08 12.9
07 15.2
06 17.0
05 17.8
Jamison rebounding last 5 years:
09 12.6
08 13.7
07 15.4
06 12.1
05 13.5
These are based on Hollinger's stats....don't remember the specifics but bigger numbers are better. The only time Amare's was down was when he played alongside Shaq...who tends to decrease everybody else's rebounding numbers.
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I'm not a big fan in Hollingers stats, manly because I dont understand them. From what I gather their a great tool to use though.
So I went and looked for the raw numbers as those I understand.
Amare is avging 8.6 rebs a game for a team that avgs the most posessions in the L. His best season was in 06 where he avged 9.6 or close to 10 boards a game. Nothing elite there as Z, Anderson, Shaq and LBJ all avg over 7 a game this yr.
Antwuan is avg the same 8.7 in an offense that doesn't have the most posessions in the L per game. His best season was 2 years ago when he was avging 10.2 boards a game. I would say at best their equal in that department.
From the eye test though, Antwuan wins that for me. Blocks out better, etc...
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The sticking point for many on whether they like or dislike this trade seems to be Amare's defense. While it is a concern, it's no more so than Mo's was when we were pursuing him.
The attitude of a team really plays in to the attitude and effort of the players. Phoenix has never stressed defense, thus Stoudemire has never felt the need to make a concerted effort on that end of the floor. Some people will argue that there are great defenders on offensive minded teams but I would challenge someone to name one? On a team that runs up and down and takes 85-90 shots a game? What elite defender plays on a team like Phoenix? Golden State? New York?
Certainly Stoudemire has the physical attributes and attitude to be a good defender, he just needs a coaching staff that stresses it and teammates that demand it.
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While it is a concern, it's no more so than Mo's was when we were pursuing him.
Certainly Stoudemire has the physical attributes and attitude to be a good defender, he just needs a coaching staff that stresses it and teammates that demand it.
Great points, one which I didn't even think about.
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i am a firm believer, as i believe most are, that you can take an offensively talented player and get him to defend, but you cannot get a defensive type player and get him to play offense.
honestly, i would take either guy.
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i am a firm believer, as i believe most are, that you can take an offensively talented player and get him to defend, but you cannot get a defensive type player and get him to play offense.
honestly, i would take either guy.
I am also a firm believer in Mike Brown's talent at making athletic "defensively unmotivated" players at least average defenders. But I'm not convinced at his ability in making offensively lacking players fit seemlessly into the offensive plans.
While i'd be in favor of either Amare or Jamison - Amare is 10x the player for us in my mind. Why?
1.) He's a young 27 and has about 6 prime years left.
2.) His pick and rolls are deadly, and should be almost unstoppable opposite Lebron. It's a whole new dimension that would work within our offense, and which Jamison doesn't provide.
3.) Amare's never been in a situation where he can't be double teamed off the drive. Suddenly with Lebron, you can't simply put two guys on Amare at the top of the key. This makes him even more effective when he drives.
4.) Amare is great at drawing fouls. This makes Lebron better at the end of games. I don't think you can understate this because if we had managed to win in Orlando last year, a major component would have been getting Howard in foul trouble. Since that time we've added Shaq and Powe, who are both excellent at drawing fouls. Adding Amare to the mix as well, and we put a ton of pressure on opposing bigs.
Furthermore, while all the top teams out there this year have amazing starting bigs...none have great depth. You knock one out of a game for 5-10 minutes, and Shaq+Amare+LBJ would absolutely eat up the reserves.
5.) He's the type of star power that would keep LBJ around. Long term, I don't think any other team could offer LBJ the equivilent of Amare+Mo+AV. Honestly I think that's better than say, Wade+Beasley, or Deng+Rose. Jamison, while good, doesn't bring that sort of cast long term.
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You beinging to make me a believer, yet I still highly doubt this move happens. I'd put it under 10% at this point.
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You beinging to make me a believer, yet I still highly doubt this move happens. I'd put it under 10% at this point.
I agree with you there...i'd say under 5% chance... i just don't see how you could send a multiple time all-star out for expirings, and a 21 year old with questionable hands....
but, it would be way, way bigger than a Jamison acquisition.
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It's going to be tought to make salaries match .. let alone send them enough guys to get the deal done.
He makes ~$16m for 2 more years. We can offer them Z at $12m, but then we're still $4m short to make salaries match. We could throw in Hickson and Powe, salaries match, but is that really enough to get Phoenix to bite? Remember, any deal is probably contingent on the team receiving Z to buy him out so we could retain him in free agency for a title run. (I just can't see Lebron or the Cavs dumping Z without getting him a ring in the process)
Now, we could throw in someone like Daniel Gibson at ~4m, but that would make us REALLY thin at guard, and we're already hurting pretty bad. We could toss on a few draft picks to go with Hickson/Powe or maybe even Hickson/Green ... but again, is that really going to be enough to entice Phoenix? A couple of late round draftees, future late-round draft picks and 1 expiring contract for a multiple All-Star?
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If they can't find a better offer or another team Amare would sign off on a trade to, I absolutely can see them making this deal.
This is the same team that traded Shaq (who averaged 18 and 9) for Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic. They also traded 2 unprotected 1st round draft picks to OKC in exchange for OKC taking Kurt Thomas' 8 million dollar contract.
When they need to shed money, they honestly give assets away for nothing.
In terms of what would work, Cleveland needs to get within 2-2.5 million of Amare's salary. The Cavs can take back 125% (+100K) of the salary they send out, so they would need a package that was around 13-13.5 million for the numbers to work. That's why I believe the package of Z, JJ and a 1st round pick would work. I'm fairly sure they assign a $ amount to that selection in a trade. I could be wrong on that. If I am, we would pretty much only need a minimum salary player to make that deal work (along with Z and JJ).
In terms of the magic number, it's 13.1 million (13.1 x 125% + 100K = 16.475 mil) . Any package that is at least that much would allow us to take back Amare's 16.4.
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Yes, I did the NBA trade machine, and they would need a 3rd player making minimum to pull the deal off. I'm thinking Powe or Green would be the best choices for us, as they wouldn't put a huge hole in our roster.
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I would guess Green instead of Powe.
I can't see us waiting this long on Powe to rehab with the promise of what he brings just for us to trade it away.. albeit for Stoudamire.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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For someone like Amare, I could ... although I don't think Phoenix would want to take on the risk of a guy coming back from major injury either.
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Just as a side note.....
J.J. and Z get us to 12.97 Million. There's no way we would throw in anyone who's of use to us to make up that 100+K (to get to 13.1 million).
My guess is we would activate Koby Karl and package him in the deal (if it were to happen). He carries a base salary of just over 300K. If not Karl then a similar player given the salaries are so close.
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I would think we would throw in SOMETHING of value to Phoenix ... unless they are THAT desperate.
Then again, we'll have to make what we're offering better than what any other team could offer. If they have no other takers and their dying to unload salary, we could just sign the peanut vendor for $65k and trade him.
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I don't think that they'd be trading a young star at all unless they *are* that desperate... so, if it really does just come down to making the numbers work, I would think that they'd take whatever we threw at em.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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That's the luxury of having an owner who has deep pockets.
Gilbert doesn't need the Cavs to make money. If he breaks even and they keep LeBron, he'll look at that as a win (which he should). Unlike many of the other owners in the league, he does not operate purely from a business perspective (bottom line) or have his sports team constitute the majority of his wealth (Gilbert's net worth hovers around 1.1 billion dollars). His investment in the Cavs is 375 million, so it's not as if he's desperate for money.
Plus, the Cavs have a huge season ticket base right now, the biggest star in the world and an economical climate that leaves a lot of teams out of the trade market. Under normal circumstances, teams would be lining up for a player like Stoudemire but there are a lot of factors working in Cleveland's favor.
1.) Free Agency in 2010. Teams just do not want to take up any of their free cap space in 2010, even for a player of Stoudemire's stature. They'd prefer to take a swing and a miss at LeBron, Wade, Bosh, etc. before trying to get a commitment from a guy like Stoudemire.
2.) Stoudemire has veto power on trades. His aim is to win and he has expressed it many times. If the suns don't want to financially commit to him long term, he said his desire is to go to a contender. Cleveland fits that bill. The other teams rumored to be interested (Golden State, Minnesota and possibly Philadelphia) absolutely do not. When you start to look at the list of teams that could legitimately win a title, Cleveland is the only team that has a large expiring deal attached to a player that also would want to be bought out.
3.) Of the contending teams, Cleveland is the only team that has a glaring need for a PF. Boston has KG, LA has Gasol, Atlanta has Josh Smith, Denver has Keyon Martin, etc. etc.
4.) Not only is Cleveland a contender but they have the things Phoenix wants. A young player to replace Stoudemire (Hickson), a draft pick - 2010 or 2011 #1 and a HUGE expiring salary that would not only get rid of Amare's deal but also get them under the luxury tax.
Not saying it WILL happen but Cleveland is the most likely destination if he's moved.
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J.J. and Z get us to 12.97 Million. There's no way we would throw in anyone who's of use to us to make up that 100+K (to get to 13.1 million).
My guess is we would activate Koby Karl and package him in the deal (if it were to happen). He carries a base salary of just over 300K. If not Karl then a similar player given the salaries are so close.
We don't need Koby....
all we need to do is sign-n-trade Wally to make up the difference.
factor in that Z has 75% of his contract paid out already, it would get the Suns below the tax threshold, and that they could further buyout Z to save more $$$ and Hickson is signed for cheap going forward. That is a pretty attractive offer for a team looking to shed $$$.
and the Suns don't have a 1st round pick this year, so we could throw them ours to seal the deal if necessary.
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Gilbert doesn't need the Cavs to make money.
Kinda like Lerner doesn't need the Browns to make money?
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The prospect of Wally agreeing to that is very slim. Believe I saw somewhere that he signed a contract to work the NCAA tourney for CBS?
Don't think he's going to pass on that gig to be trade filler for the Cavs. He'd probably have to get paid a lot of money or have a legit opportunity to stick on the roster for him to consider it.
Given that neither of those things would happen, he has no motivation to attempt to come back.
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ok...since I have been pigeon-holed as the Daniel Gibson champion.....
can't believe noone is talking about Gibson...great game against the Thunder.
he has a good start to the year, gets left on the bench, and suddenly becomes an important member of the team with West and Mo injuries. The greatest thing about the Thunder game was that he did not have a great shooting night (though hitting down the stretch was good), but he helped the team with his defense, rebounding.....and that BLOCK.
I can't even believe this is the same Gibson from last year....at all.
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Let us hope.  At this point, I think Amare or Jamison would help us quite a bit. Bill Simmons wrote an article a few months ago talking about this phenomenon ... how 3/4ths of the league are going to be desperate to shed salary and we're one of the few teams that can cannibalize these other teams: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/091223&sportCat=nbaAlthough I'm not sure why he's suggesting we trade Shaq so much. I don't think he gets the purpose that Shaq will serve for us down the road. Shaq is going to stay relatively out-of-shape and take it easy until the playoffs. He's then going to put in a ton of work to get into full-shape and then play all-out for the Championship. That's sort of been his MO for awhile now, and even more so now that he's older and can't play 100% all season long. Shaq saves himself for when it counts. He knows this and the Cavs know this. Besides, he's REALLY only needed for one purpose only ... Stopping Dwight Howard. He's the counter-punch for the one guy that really hurt us in last year's playoffs. He's also going to pose a huge problem for guys like Bynum and Gasol (as he's shown already). I don't see Shaq leaving in a trade. Back to the article, he mentions how the Cavs "small-ball" lineup is "poop-in-your-pants" terrifying. Can you imagine the small ball lineup with Amare in there?
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I most certainly can....
Mo
Delonte (he runs in a fast break better than Parker)
LeBron
Amare
AV
I mean, how do you stop that if you play it for 10-15 minutes a game....you do it right before a 'designated LeBron rest period' and everyone goes completely all out full-court on offense and defense (Pitino Louisville style).
It would scare the heck out of every team in the league. And it should.
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Or ... Mo, Delonte, Moon, Lebron, Amare.
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A couple of notes:
1.) Salaries only have to match to within 25% + 100k, which means the Cavs need to trade at least $13.001M (the suns would actually appreciate us staying as close to that number as possible, because they save the rest of the money in luxury tax).
2.) We can't activate Kobe Carl and then package him, because he would have a no trade clause on a guarenteed one year deal.
3.) We could S&T wally or Lorenzen Wright, who we also have bird rights to. More likely we'd send Danny Green, who has some talent.
4.) Another interesting comparison of Amare and Jamison is points per shot: Amare has 1.48 points per shot (good for 10th in the league)... Jamison only scores 1.29 (good for 41st in the league) - by comparison Lebron also has 1.48 (11th in the league - not sure if it's a true tie or if decimals give it to Amare)
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A few thoughts on Amare.
Positives:
- 1. Health: I have absolutely no concerns about Amare's health after the surgeries. He's putting up pre-surgery numbers without Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, etc., surrounding him.
- 2. Defense: I have no concerns about his defense, either. Every player can play defense, it just takes proper coaching, and a team concept to enforce it. Amare has never had an NBA coach, or teammate, like Mike Brown and LeBron. Their very presence and influence, as well as the organization's goals will instantly put Amare in a position hes never been in -- improve his game to win a championship, with a legitimate closer (and #1) playing alongside him.
There was an article I read a few days ago about Amare's defense. He wants to improve, and he wants to evolve into a good defender. If he does, his game would merit a near max-contract deal. I liken Amare's situation in Phoenix to Randy Moss' in Oakland before he went to New England (to play with Brady). Not team-wise, but situation-wise i.e. a player who can, when properly coached, and surrounded by winners, will turn it on and buy into the team concept.
- 3. Shooting: It's true that he gets a lot of easy assists with Nash, but LeBron's passing will do the same. He's an excellent pick-and-roll player, which is what we need, and if it's not there, he will drive to the basket. He has a decent mid-range game, let's not discredit that.
- 4. Age: Amare turned 27 in November. Antawn Jamison turns 34 in June.
Negatives:
- 1. His contract: He has stated (many times already) that he wants a max-contract at season's end. He won't get that here. If we offered him an extension, short of a max-contract, with a competitive market salary, and he declines it, let him go.
- 2. Too much athleticism: I know this sounds odd, but him and LeBron have similar playing styles. LeBron is basically an Amare with higher basketball IQ, 3-point range, and better intangibles. Their playing styles may conflict in the paint -- I don't want LeBron forced into being a jump-shooter. With Amare and Shaq in the paint, he won't have much space to operate and this is one of the reasons we wanted someone with range; to clear the paint, create space, and allow LeBron to drive.
Where will the space be if both Amare and Shaq are camped out in the paint? This is one of the reasons why Channing Frye was transformed into a center who shoots 3's after he signed with Phoenix.
- 3. His range: As stated above, Amare doesn't have 3-point range. This is one of the reasons why we're so interested in Antawn Jamison, and other stretch 4's as stated in #2.
I would be ecstatic to acquire Amare, but I don't know how he would fit into the team's game-plan. His numbers would go down, but that shouldn't matter if he wants a championship.
Personally, I would rather get Iguodala from Philly and put him at SG. There are so many positives with this:
- 1. Gives LeBron his legitimate #2.
- 2. Iguodala is a #2 scorer, not a #1.
- 3. He can always work on his range, he's only 25, and he has the athleticism and aggressiveness to become a lock-down defender.
- 4. He has the instinct to take take over if LeBron's having an off night.
- 5. He's locked in long-term and we wouldn't have to worry about him leaving in '10 like we would Amare. This also implies that we won't be participating in any of the big '10 FA's but it doesn't matter. We took care of business during the season.
- 6. Makes certain back-court players expendable. This is important because we have more attractive trade assets in our back-court than we do in the front-court. This plays into our hands when it comes time to patch up the front-court, replacing the vets.
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- 1. His contract: He has stated (many times already) that he wants a max-contract at season's end. He won't get that here. If we offered him an extension, short of a max-contract, with a competitive market salary, and he declines it, let him go.
I don't understand this in the least...the cavs would be one of the MOST likely teams to offer him a max contract. We're one of the biggest markets (viewership and merchandise wise). Gilbert has paid out for one of the most expensive teams in the league...and we're trading for an all-star to win multiple championships.
If amare works out here....pay the man!
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Now I'm wondering how Lebron puts up a layup, while the ball is on on the rim Dwyane Wade grabs the rim with both hands, and its not a goaltend?
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because wade is sterns bff and can do no wrong. Seriously, I can't stand wade..he gets calls he has no business getting and it pads his stats, he'd be averaging 18pts a game without all the nonsense calls he gets. I love he clanked both FT after the "loose ball foul" ball don't lie
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i would love iggy in the backcourt. that guy can play some defense, especially with a coach like mike brown. iggy was a pretty decent defender coming right into the league. i like that a lot. and he's got that instinct like mentioned before, to take over games.
i know the 4 is probably our most important need right now, but adding iggy would make us better, because parker would be more effective off the bench. that would probably put boobie at the steve kerr position which is your 3 point specialist/decoy for late game situations.
if we pulled a move for any of the guys mentioned here, i would be happy, they can all help our team greatly.
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Game last night was incredible! I cant believe the NBA didnt have that on national TV, what a shame. I had to watch it on my computer, thank goodness it was a good stream. LBJ is just playing at another level, and Wade cooled off big time in the second half.
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Well, after some reading, it appears Cleveland's no longer interested in Amare because of his trade price + competition. It doesn't really disappoint mem and actually feel a bit relieved: Amare's fitting-in, and contract situation, during a time when there's little wiggle room is too risky. Uncertainty in an already uncertain time doesn't mix well. Not only does this necessarily eliminate uncertainties, it opens up room for us to be aggressive towards getting Iguodala. Cavaliers' FO has reportedly expressed interest: Quote:
PHILADELPHIA -- With the NBA trading deadline less than a month away, rumors abound. And some of them involve 76ers forward Andre Iguodala, the team's leading scorer.
If true, it would signify a drastic change in the thinking of Sixers president and general manager Ed Stefanski about the potential of the team as currently constructed.
Stefanski wouldn't comment Monday other than to say, "We talk to all the teams on a regular basis."
Iguodala has already been mentioned in a possible deal for Houston's Tracy McGrady, who has a $23 million contract that expires at the end of the season. Yahoo! Sports, citing anonymous sources, reported that Cleveland might be interested in Iguodala. Both Shaquille O'Neal ($20 million) and Zydrunas Ilgauskas ($11.5 million) also have expiring contracts.
Iguodala, who has four years and $56 million left on his contract, is making $12.2 million this season.
The Web site also indicated that the Sixers could be interested in Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire, who could possibly opt out of his $17.7 million contract for next season and become a free agent.
Any of these moves would accomplish a big objective for the Sixers -- getting some salary cap room at the end of the season.
How many players in the league can do this to LeBron?
Do whatever it takes without touching Bron, Mo, Andy and Shaq. Get that man in a Cavaliers' jersey.
Posted over at RealCavsFans here:
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windy mentioned iggy in his chat today:
-not a good fit for the cavs because he's not a good shooter (in his opinion he's a SF and not a SG because of that)
-above average player who's paid like an allstar
-at his best when he has the ball in his hands a lot
-also mentioned ferry normally likes to trade for players with shorter contracts (for example: jamison and murphy) to give the team more flexibility in the future (probably means there's no way we would take brand back)
Honestly, I don't know where he gets some of these observations:
- He's an excellent fit for the Cavs, and at 6'6, and 206 pounds, there's no way he's an SF.
- He's paid like an all-star but put him next to LeBron and he will develop into one.
- Iguodala doesn't need the ball in his hands to execute, or move without the basketball. A quick glance at his game logs shows he plays around 40 minutes, and scores single digit points. What does that say? It says a majority of the time he didn't have the basketball, so that's nonsense.
I partially agree with the Brand comment but not the shorter contracts bit. Now is not the time to be conservative. We have a shot at something really special here. Taking Iguodala and his contract would be no different than us signing a big FA this summer to play alongside LeBron. Either way, a big contract is inevitable.
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- Iguodala doesn't need the ball in his hands to execute, or move without the basketball. A quick glance at his game logs shows he plays around 40 minutes, and scores single digit points. What does that say? It says a majority of the time he didn't have the basketball, so that's nonsense.
Forget the game-logs man.. Have you watched a Sixers game in the past few years? Windy is completely spot on with his comment regarding Iggy needing the ball a lot to be comfortable.. Iggy does not put this team over the top, end of story.
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i think iggy would be a good fit because he's a bigger guard that can defend, it would be nice to pair him alongside mo.
but his contract is lengthy and expensive. i think we can do better.
i didn't really buy into the amare thing, for one phoenix is still in the hunt in the standings, and a straight up z for amare or even z and jj for amare couldnt be the best offer that phoenix would get.
i honestly think if the cavs pull any kind of big-time deal, it won't be until the last hour or two or three on deadline day. they don't really have the talent to give up aside from maybe jj, so i think a team will have no other choice then to wait until the last second. just my opinion on it.
i'm totally fine with this team not doing anything either. i know people will point to last year and the cavs not getting shaq at that point, but that doesn't mean you have to make another deal this year. they're damn good as is. i'd rather just have this squad healthy come april if nothing else.
but of course if we can pull a deal for jamison and only have to give up z who would be back in a month anyway? obviously you pull that deal. it gives you another star player for this and next year, and still allows you to re-sign lbj in 2010.
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sum up my thoughts...
Amare - best talent and best contract (since it ends)...I don't like the idea of giving him 'max' money this offseason though.
Jamison - best talent-fit on this year's team, but I don't like his longterm contract.
Iggy - strangest fit on our team (is he our SG?)....excellent defender and can get to the rim. poor man's Gerald Wallace (and I love Gerald Wallace). not sure on the fit or the contract.
CaRon Butler - washington has 2 contracts to shop and he's mentioned wanting out though hasn't made demands. he would fit better as a SG than Iggy would in our system on offense, but isn't the defender that Iggy is.
Who else? It's pretty obvious we would want to upgrade the SG or PF spot if we could....so who else might be out there?
Boozer - haha....no.
Randolph - might be best answer long-term (Josh Smith type potential), but not sure he's even better than Hickson for us 'this' year.
Kevin Martin - best pure shooter who might be on the market and from Ohio....injuries, contract, and defense are all liabilities with him though.
Rudy Gay - those rumors just won't go away even with Memphis in the playoff hunt....but, can Gay even think about playing SG? Probably not....we'd have to move LeBron to PF and I don't think he wants that (or make Gay a 6th man and play with LeBron in the smallball lineups).
anyone else people want to see on the list who have a chance at getting traded?
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