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I dont know enough about Iggy, nor have I watched a single 6ers game this season (for good reason). I think Iggy froom years past is a solid player though, and I am sure we can find a way to use his athleticism and defense on this team. That contract though is deadly if we dont win a championship.
News on Amare are not shocking, I never thought getting him was realistic, but fun to imagine and argue about.
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jamison's contract isn't that bad, guy makes 11 mil and would be on the books for 2 extra seasons. i think he's a quality player through that contract.
love rudy gay, that guy is really good. i would take him at any cost. problem is that memphis is playing really well and have racked up some quality wins over good teams (including the cavs)
i would give up extra for him. and i know he's almost as big as lebron, we could make it work. you could run lbj at the point, or go small and put him at the 4. either way you have better quality guys on the floor. would be great to have against some of these teams that are big in the backcourt a la boston and LA.
seems like a pipe dream though.
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Owners Want Severe Drop Of Salaries
Jan 27, 2010 1:16 PM EST
The NBA owners are reportedly bracing for a lockout after the 2010-11 season.
Owners are looking to significantly lower salaries.
One executive spoke about Amare Stoudemire and that he wouldn’t even get a five-year contract worth $60 million under the next CBA.
One team owner said that it would be even worse for Stoudemire.
“The owners are really going to chop the money down,’’ the owner said. “I think Stoudemire would get $5 or $6 million [annually] in the next deal. The bottom line is that things are going to change dramatically.’’
A general manager, however, believes that the line of thinking from that owners was extreme.
“That [$5 million for Stoudemire] sounds a little bizarre, but player salaries are definitely going to take a hit,’’ the GM said. “Players that come up for contracts under the new CBA are going to find themselves getting a lot less money.’’
One GM told ESPN that the owners are looking to shorten the maximum length of a contract to four or five years. He added that they have actually discussed trying to guarantee only the first two years of a four-year deal, and that the third and fourth years would be guaranteed only if a player reached certain performance-based incentives the previous season.
“Those concepts are being discussed,’’ another GM told ESPN. “Is there a sentiment among some [owners] that they’d like to have it like football? Yeah. But I think that’s out of bounds.’’
Billy Hunter, who heads the players association, is unlikely to go willingly with these salary reductions.
“There’s going to be a lockout,’’ the owner said. “There’s not even a doubt in my mind about that. Billy’s not going to make a deal like that. Teams are already saving up money for a strike.’’
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agree on Rudy being a pipe dream....can't help but think how he would help our matchups though...
Orlando - harrasses Rashard as a PF
Boston - let's LeBron have more breaks from guarding Pierce
Atlanta - he could guard pretty any of their bigger guys (Marvin, Josh, Horford)
LA - not sure he's quick enough for Kobe....not tall enough for Odom/Gasol....this would be the toughest matchup.
Denver - he's had some good battles with Melo in the past....could give us some tendencies.
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i really like the way mike brown handled kobe last week. threw about 3 or 4 different guys at him during that game. delonte, jawad, and lebron all had duties of handling him at one point or another. and the guy make some ridiculous shots, i can live with that though.
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i agree....that is really the only way to deal with him...make him think about what you are doing by constantly changing it up on him.
but, we still were dealing with injured kobe....i would not be looking forward to dealing wtih healthy kobe (if that version even shows up this year)
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Can't even believe no one has talked about how well AP did dealing with the trifecta of Kobe, KD and Wade..
He spends more time on the studs than anyone else we have..
AP has done a great job of staying in front of the studs all year.. I love how he stays balanced and doesn't go jumping all over the place on the pump fakes..He knows that in this league that you will live with a contested jumper everyday of week.. He is smart in that he knows he is unathletic, so he doesn't gamble and go for steals, etc.
He did a great job of making all 3 guys shoot over top of him rather than letting them constantly weave around him..
Bball IQ.. something that Parker seems to have..
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Iggy does not put this team over the top, end of story.
I don't see how you came to that conclusion. The sixers were in the playoffs last season with the #6 seed, and that was largely in part to his contributions.
His contract is huge, but if we can take Dalembert with him, that gives us an expiring after next season. If the organization wants a #2 scorer, and they plan to be active next summer, they're going to need to dish out serious money.
So, you're looking at paying Iguodala money either way, but with Iguodala, his next three seasons pay $12-13 million, which is lower than say a Chris Bosh or Stoudemire who will cost (about $15+ mill), and even Jamison who will make around $28 mill. over the next two seasons, that's $3 million more than Iguodala.
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So, you're looking at paying Iguodala money either way, but with Iguodala, his next three seasons pay $12-13 million, which is lower than say a Chris Bosh or Stoudemire who will cost (about $15+ mill), and even Jamison who will make around $28 mill. over the next two seasons, that's $3 million more than Iguodala.
the difference is all the guys you mentioned are PFs and Iggy is not. That is the chief concern with taking on his contract (we have guards signed beyond this year....not so much in big guys, so we might need to spend more $$ there)
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Game was lot of fun to watch tonight. Seems this season we have stopped playing to the level of our competition.
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unbelievable cover in this game too, if you played the number, cavs were favored 12-13 points depending on when you locked in, let minnesota get some buckets when all the starters went off, and up 10 with half a minute left, rambis still has his guys fouling, unreal.
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Another nice thing about that game, LBJ only scored what, 12 pts? Yet we still donminated and cruised to a win. Used to be, if LBJ wasn't playing at an MVP level every game, we weren't in it. Nice to see others like JJ step it up.
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and the national media still hasn't noticed. they still think it's lebron and nobody else. nevermind that shaq is starting to look really good, varejao has developed himself into a solid player (and worth his contract), and other guys like mo, parker,
if jj can ever develop a little bit of a range, just a nice little jump shot a la antonio mcdyess, he can really be a problem for every team in the league because of the immediate and constant attention teams must give to lebron.
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the difference is all the guys you mentioned are PFs and Iggy is not. That is the chief concern with taking on his contract (we have guards signed beyond this year....not so much in big guys, so we might need to spend more $$ there)
Understandable concerns, but we have to put this into perspective: yes, we need a stretch 4, but it's not an immediate concern. With Shaq, it opens up so many options that we didn't have last season. With Shaq in the center, we can put Bron at the 4, he can substitute as the stretch 4 against players like Rashard. We weren't able to do that last year because Dwight, Bynum, etc., were dominant down low. That's why we brought in Shaq, and it's working beautifully.
If, say, we get Antawn or Murphy, (Antawn especially) will get abused by healthy Gasol's and Garnett's. That's where Iguodala comes in; I don't expect any team to be able to guard a healthy Mo, Iguodala and LeBron back-co–rt. It's just not possible. That will force post-players out of the paint on help defense, and then Shaq, and the rest of our bigs can take advantage of the open space under the basket. Our entire back-court would be excellent passers (both Bron and Iguodala average 5.0+ assists per game). If the opposing team's post-players come out on help defense, not only does that open up space for our bigs, it opens up driving lanes for Bron and Iguodala. Both are vicious players when it comes to getting to the hoop.
The only thing that concerns me about Antawn Jamison and Troy Murphy are their ages, and futures. If we acquire one of them, they may contribute, but the risk of being handcuffed to their contracts, and with no potential, or future, we won't be able to sign anyone in the offseason to compliment LeBron. We need another impact player, and not just any impact player, a relatively young impact player because both of their contracts run through 2010 and kills our cap-space, and opportunities to sign any of the big-named FAs. With Iguodala, that's not a problem, he can provide both our potential future, and satisfy current needs as an impact/compliment #2.
We will have to take back either Brand or Dalembert too, so, we will, either way, gain front-court depth as well.
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nevermind that shaq is starting to look really good, varejao has developed himself into a solid player (and worth his contract), and other guys like mo, parker,
if jj can ever develop a little bit of a range, just a nice little jump shot a la antonio mcdyess, he can really be a problem for every team in the league because of the immediate and constant attention teams must give to lebron.
It's so relieving to watch our players develop into their roles and fill the team's needs.
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I've been overly impressed with Anderson this year. Esp with his attitude coming off the bench. His progression as a player has been great to watch, and really enjoy watching him play. When we first resigned him to that big deal, I wasn't jumping up and down, I thought we over paid for him because he was a fan favorite. Glad to see I was wrong.
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We will have to take back either Brand or Dalembert too, so, we will, either way, gain front-court depth as well.
the rest of your post made sense.....this part does not. no way I want to get saddled with either contract.
especially with the new CBA coming down in the next couple years that will make their salaries look even worse. flexibility is still the key.
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the rest of your post made sense.....this part does not. no way I want to get saddled with either contract.
I partially agree, but only about Brand. Dalembert's contract isn't a problem: he's due $12,200,000 in 2010-2011. He gives us:
- 1. The desired cap flexibility in trades. With one season left, he's a hefty expiring like Z, and Z is a major part of almost any trade we're talking right now. Dalembert is more desirable than Z too because he's 28-29 compared to 34-35.
- 2. He gives decent front-court depth during his contract's last season. Will that motivate him to play more consistent as well? I don't know, but when he comes off the books, he's gone.
I agree on Brand though. That may be one of the worst contracts in NBA history, but that's not Brand's fault, that was an intelligent business decision. That's entirely on Philly's front office.
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He moves without the ball fine.
Of course he moves fine without the ball, just like every other talented player in the league.. Just cause he "moves fine without the ball" doesn't mean that's what he is most comfortable doing or more importantly, what he is going to be happy doing..
And the reason the 6ers were the 6 seed in the East last year is because the East was garbage last year after the top 3...
This years East is light years ahead of last season's East..
Iggy would be forced to be a perimeter guy for us, that's just a fact.. There is only one ball, and the fact is that LB and Mo do most of the distributing and creating.. There is a reason we went out and got Parker.. Think about that for a second..For Iggy to be successful in our offense, he would have to convert on a lot of catch and shoot opportunities... and if you have watched him play you know he likes to shoot much more off the dribble..
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fair enough. yes, Brand is the much worse contract (Arenas is proving to be the worst in NBA history though  ) Dalembert's play has just dropped off the last couple of years....the only reason I would see us taking him on is if Ferry doesn't think we will have Shaq next season. If not, then we can use him in the Shaq role (though he's a dropoff on the offensive end obviously) as a defensive presense for bigger F's and C's with a limited offensive role. the problem is you really can't play Shaq and Dalembert together this year because neither can hit jump shots...and that limits flexibility which is the main thing I want to keep with this team (which is why I don't like him this year). And if we do keep Shaq for another year, then we still have that problem next year too. the positives on Dalembert are that he has been durable, is a good defensive presense (though slow on switches), and can rebound on both ends.
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Of course he moves fine without the ball, just like every other talented player in the league.. Just cause he "moves fine without the ball" doesn't mean that's what he is most comfortable doing or more importantly, what he is going to be happy doing..
It means that he doesn't need the ball to be comfortable, he may feel a bit awkard not handling the ball, at first, but that will disappear quickly when opposing teams realize they can't double him like they could in Philly. LeBron and Mo will pick them apart if they do.
He will get his shots, and opportunities. Mike Brown, LeBron and Mo will make sure he gets the ball, and when LeBron is off the court, or when Iguodala is off the court, both can handle the ball duties with Mo, accordingly. That's the benefit of having two players of LeBron and Iguodala's calibur, both have no problem sharing the ball, or hitting teammates. Both can create their own shots.
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And the reason the 6ers were the 6 seed in the East last year is because the East was garbage last year after the top 3...
This years East is light years ahead of last season's East..
That may be, but that doesn't erase the fact that they made it to the playoffs, and had to play the future Eastern Conference champions with Iguodala as the focal point for Philly's offense, and Orlando's defense.
Orlando is, arguably, worse this year than last. So that's not a good argument.
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Iggy would be forced to be a perimeter guy for us, that's just a fact.. There is only one ball, and the fact is that LB and Mo do most of the distributing and creating..
He won't be a perimeter guy for us in that manner. When LeBron is off the court, he will take LeBron's duties, and team up with whoever is playing the point. It would benefit the team much more efficiently with Delonte teaming with Iguodala than Delonte teaming with Anthony Parker when LeBron is sitting.
This gives us flexibility and mismatches.
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There is a reason we went out and got Parker.. Think about that for a second..
That's not why we went out and got Parker (and Moon). The reason we went out and got them is for their length.
We were being abused by bigger guards:
- Mo Williams: 6'1, 190.
- Delonte West: 6'3, 180.
- Daniel Gibson: 6'2, 200.
Now, our recent acquisitions:
- Anthony Parker: 6'6, 215.
- Jamario Moon: 6'8, 200.
Now, compare Iguodala to them, and he matches our prior need:
- Andre Iguodala: 6'6, 207.
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For Iggy to be successful in our offense, he would have to convert on a lot of catch and shoot opportunities... and if you have watched him play you know he likes to shoot much more off the dribble..
He's not great at shooting off the dribble, actually, but when he's the #1 scoring option on his team, he really has no choice, so that's partially the team's offensive scheme's fault rather than his actual individual efficiency.
When the opposing team is zooming in on you, you are forced to take shots you normally wouldn't to compensate for your team's overall lack of offense, just ask #23. He would not take those shots here playing with LeBron, Mo and Shaq.
The burden to score and carry the team isn't necessary. That gives him room to utilize his actual talents, and puts him in his proper place: a #2 option who gives you 18-22 points, and locks down on defense.
We're going to face elite shooting guards on our way to the NBA championship. I have more trust in Iguodala on Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Vince Carter (when he's focused), Joe Johnson, JR Smith etc., than Anthony Parker, or Jamario Moon. Why? Because it forces them to respect him as a weapon. We don't have that advantage with Anthony Parker or Jamario Moon.
It creates so many mismatches and opportunities. I have no concerns about his shooting: his FG% for this season is higher than JR Smith and Vince Carter, he's tied with Stephen Jackson, and is only 3-4 points lower than Kobe, Joe Johnson, and Ray Allen. His 3P% is higher than Vince Carter, Stephen Jackson and Dwyane Wade.
With repetition, and time, in our offense, he can develop into a consistent shooter/scorer.
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Dalembert's play has just dropped off the last couple of years....the only reason I would see us taking him on is if Ferry doesn't think we will have Shaq next season. If not, then we can use him in the Shaq role (though he's a dropoff on the offensive end obviously) as a defensive presense for bigger F's and C's with a limited offensive role.
By all means, if we can get Iguodala without having to take on Dalembert or Brand, that would be excellent. However, with what I've been reading, and word-of-mouth, it appears Philly wants Brand or Dalembert packaged with Iguodala if he's going to be traded.
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the problem is you really can't play Shaq and Dalembert together this year because neither can hit jump shots...and that limits flexibility which is the main thing I want to keep with this team (which is why I don't like him this year). And if we do keep Shaq for another year, then we still have that problem next year too.
Yeah, Dalembert + Shaq on the court at the same time would be atrocious, but Mike Brown's not stupid, he would make Dalembert Shaq's substitution. LeBron would play some four if necessary when we need a stretch 4's abilities.
I really would like to re-sign Shaq after the season, some magic to work it under the cap with Dalembert and Iguodala signed through the same season would have to be made, though.
We can trade Dalembert sometime next season to fill our roster needs if we have to take him, so he does have decent value.
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don't have to fit Shaq in under the cap....
if we trade for Iggy we killed our cap space for this offseason anyway....so, we could exceed the cap to keep our own players (Shaq, LeBron, and if we still have him, Z).
the case where we have to figure Shaq out under the cap is if we don't make a move.....then, if we want to try to get a 2nd tier star (we likely won't have room for a 1st tier star), then we have to release our rights to Z, Shaq, et cetera. That means we can no longer exceed the cap to re-sign them.
so, making a trade actually makes it easier to keep Shaq.
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We wont have any I cap space this off season regardless of if we trade for anybody. Even with Shaq's expiring contract we wont have any. Resigning Anderson basically killed any potential space along with declining salary cap numbers.
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cap space really means little in the NBA,you can sign guys and go over cap as long as your owner is willing to pay that luxury tax. We are around 18 mill over cap as it is. Gilbert does not care,he just wants to win.
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cap space really means little in the NBA,you can sign guys and go over cap as long as your owner is willing to pay that luxury tax. We are around 18 mill over cap as it is. Gilbert does not care,he just wants to win.
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only your own players...if you want to sign FAs you have to be under the cap. And, if you make a trade, salaries have to match within 125%.
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That only holds true with players currently under contract or players you have bird rights to. We can't go and sign anybody and just pay the tax like in baseball. No cap space means no new players unless traded for. There are exceptions with the MLE (Mid Level Exception) and the Bi level exception (something like that) which we already used on Moon and Parker. If we dont trade for anyone we cant get anyone other than who we already have.
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you are correct....I forgot that AV took us close up to the line. Looking at the qualifying offer for LeBron (amount we need to hold to sign him over the cap), we will likely have around $3mil under the cap. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland.htm$50.332mil for next year including qualifying for LeBron.....cap likely around $53mil by most estimations.
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Better shape then I thought. I thought we were $10 mil or something crazy like that for next summer.
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if we renounce Jawad and decline Powe (though we likely keep both), then we would have ~$5mil to work with....
but, since $5mil is likely still less than the MLE this offseason, there's no reason to keep 2 possible contributors (if it was more than the MLE, then maybe we could steal a 3rd tier guy who gets left out in the cold in FA and needs a paycheck)
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when all is said and done, we still could be....we only have that cap room if we renounce Shaq and Z. if we want to resign them, it would eat it up.
if Z and Shaq retire....or we move on, that's where the cap space plays a factor.
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I love Vince Carter on the Magic.....I swear that I could have played SG and been less detrimental to their team tonight.
They get down big with VC on the floor...he goes to the bench, they come back. They go down big again, he sits on the bench most of the 4th quarter, they come back.
the only reason his +/- wasn't absolutely horrible was he went stretches where he just sat outside the 3pt line and didn't contribute anything to the team (which was a positive tonight)....2/13, 3 TO, 3 PF
Van Gundy comes back to him in the last 2 minutes and he immediately throws a horrible pass (luckily goes out of bounds), then gives up an easy steal while he wasn't watching his main defender.
only VC staying out of the way allowed them back in it and to take the lead (when he was running around like a chicken with no head on a designed play for him that he botched)
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i can't believe kg just let rashard lewis go right past him on that game winner.
i don't wanna sound like pompous cavs fan, but honestly, neither of those teams scare me, if boston gets healthy? sure, but i think that is a gigantic question mark. the things people said when boston made all those moves to assemble that team are now holding true.
but even then, i am still really excited about us playing boston again and maybe letting them know who's boss. orlando too. i wanna see what shaq does in boston, in a big game, the guy always shows up when it matters.
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the way it is setting up, it's possible we don't face either (not likely, but possible)
right now it would be:
Cleveland v. Charlotte
Boston v. Chicago
Atlanta v. Miami
Orlando v. Toronto
Atlanta matches up well vs. Boston and Miami has done very well against Orlando (past couple of years in both cases). So, there easily could be upsets there.
Of course, the same could be said for Charlotte against us (with Gerald Wallace playing better D vs. LeBron than anybody in the NBA plus having S-Jax to switch up looks on him and Chandler to defend the rim)
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Not to sound arrogant, but I am not worried about any team in the East, and I hope we end upl playing both just to shut the national media up. I would love to beat the other top teams in the east to get to the championship.
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Not to sound arrogant, but I am not worried about any team in the East, and I hope we end upl playing both just to shut the national media up. I would love to beat the other top teams in the east to get to the championship.
the way the teams are all playing right now....i'm not sure who the 'other' top teams in the East are? that can/will change as the season goes along, but Atlanta sure has seemed like the 2nd best team lately.
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Thats true, I hope we're not peaking too early as well. I dont think thats the case when we're down two key guards and still winning games, but something to be cautious of I suppose.
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J/C..
I cannot even believe I am reading some of this stuff.. ("no one scares me in the East,".. etc.)..
Guys, it's JANUARY.. we won 66 games last year and I heard all the same stuff in these threads around this time last year..We still couldn't put it together and get to the Finals...Let's see how everything looks come April and May when it really starts to matter..
Not to rain on everyone's parade, but we have a long way to go and a lot of things can happen..
Barring everyone is healthy on all the contenders in the East, the conference is probably going to come down to Mo Williams, and if he can knock down jumpers.. With LB demanding the attention he does, and with the addition of legitimate post threat (Shaq), Mo is gonna be the guy that teams dare to beat them...
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I cannot even believe I am reading some of this stuff.. ("no one scares me in the East,".. etc.)..
Guys, it's JANUARY.. we won 66 games last year and I heard all the same stuff in these threads around this time last year..We still couldn't put it together and get to the Finals...Let's see how everything looks come April and May when it really starts to matter..
Not to rain on everyone's parade, but we have a long way to go and a lot of things can happen..
Barring everyone is healthy on all the contenders in the East, the conference is probably going to come down to Mo Williams, and if he can knock down jumpers.. With LB demanding the attention he does, and with the addition of legitimate post threat (Shaq), Mo is gonna be the guy that teams dare to beat them...
Partially agree. I thought the same thing last season, but really, you can't take anything for granted, and it renders the regular season almost irrelevant.
I love Mo, but it makes me a little uneasy if he's the one that's going to be challenged by other teams to beat them: this is where the legit #2 option to take pressure off of LeBron comes into play. We need a #2 option. I don't care who it is, preferably Iguodala, but if it's not, so be it, look at the big picture and get a #2 on this team.
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