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which QB is worth a 7th overall?
IMO none are worth the chance esp. if there is a T or LB or SS available.
This QB class looks weak.
We might be able to put a Rosenfels, Grossman and Pennington back there and still get by,but if we choose Bradford I'll puke.
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I wish I could put Bradford's personality in Clausen's body.
Both guys are worthy of 1st round selections. I like Clausen better, but his attitude makes him a guy I don't want any part of. If we had to pick one at 7, Bradford is my guy. I can see us taking him because Quinn is in place. Quinn gets one more crack at the job while Bradford heals his shoulder. If Quinn falters, Bradford takes over.
It makes sense. People may not like the idea, and the Browns may not either, but the idea has merit.
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If anything, I thought Quinn's no fear attitude in the pocket is one of his strengths. I never see him rattled. He just has problems making the throw. lol.
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I wish I could put Bradford's personality in Clausen's body.
Both guys are worthy of 1st round selections. I like Clausen better, but his attitude makes him a guy I don't want any part of. If we had to pick one at 7, Bradford is my guy. I can see us taking him because Quinn is in place. Quinn gets one more crack at the job while Bradford heals his shoulder. If Quinn falters, Bradford takes over.
It makes sense. People may not like the idea, and the Browns may not either, but the idea has merit.
Why would we take one injured quarterback to back up another injured qb? Some people are sure Quinn's foot will be fine - an expert said "maybe" it will be fine.
What was Bradford's injury? How's he been doing in rehab? One thing we DO know is he missed the whole year due to his injury - yet you still think he's a top 7 pick? Come on.
Best case scenario - we get a healthy quinn next year. He's had 3 years. We've seen what he can do - look good, physically - and we've seen what he can't do - throw with accuracy.
And we're going to back him up with a guy that hasn't thrown a ball in over a year? A guy that will be a rookie?
I think we can do better. Hell, draft Lefevour - they guy can throw - he's not hurt........no need having two gimpy qb's.
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If anything, I thought Quinn's no fear attitude in the pocket is one of his strengths. I never see him rattled. He just has problems making the throw. lol.
Actually, one of Quinn's weaknesses coming out of college was that he faltered more than most QB's when pressured. That's one of the things he's been very poor at in this league. It's the primary reason he's been ridiculed for checking-down so early and so often.
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Why would we take one injured quarterback to back up another injured qb?
Because at this point in time, neither injury is favored to end each respective players career.
James Andrews has given good progress reports regarding Bradford.
The fact Quinn doesn't need surgery is also a positive factor in all this.
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Some people are sure Quinn's foot will be fine - an expert said "maybe" it will be fine.
What "expert" is that? I missed that quote.
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One thing we DO know is he missed the whole year due to his injury - yet you still think he's a top 7 pick? Come on.
And despite remaining optimism from experts, you know he's not a top 7 pick?
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Best case scenario - we get a healthy quinn next year. He's had 3 years. We've seen what he can do - look good, physically - and we've seen what he can't do - throw with accuracy.
And we're going to back him up with a guy that hasn't thrown a ball in over a year? A guy that will be a rookie?
I think we can do better. Hell, draft Lefevour -
Newsflash: LeFevour would be a rookie too.
Obviously, if Bradford gets a good bill of health, he's a top pick. If his shoulder has issues, he isn't. To be forced to preface any opinion by stating his eventual and final health report must be perfect or otherwise is a waste of time, no different than being forced to say "This is my opinion, not a fact" or "I know that we're talking about a West Coast Offense that isn't the old West Coast Offense" when just typing WCO is more than acceptable. But since that's how we have to say it to appease the way you wish to view this, then I'll waste everyone's time by saying:
If Bradford gets a clean bill of health he's a potential top-10 guy. If his shoulder is slightly behind schedule, he's a late 1st rounder. If he's still having problems he's probably a 2nd rounder. If his shoulder is wrecked, he could miss the entire year and may go in the 4th or 5th round. If he's done forever, he won't be drafted.
Hope that satisfies your requirements, Arch
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If Bradford gets a clean bill of health he's a potential top-10 guy. If his shoulder is slightly behind schedule, he's a late 1st rounder. If he's still having problems he's probably a 2nd rounder. If his shoulder is wrecked, he could miss the entire year and may go in the 4th or 5th round. If he's done forever, he won't be drafted.
Hope that satisfies your requirements, Arch
Interesting - earlier you said, and I quote: "
Both guys are worthy of 1st round selections. I like Clausen better, but his attitude makes him a guy I don't want any part of. If we had to pick one at 7, Bradford is my guy. I can see us taking him because Quinn is in place. Quinn gets one more crack at the job while Bradford heals his shoulder. If Quinn falters, Bradford takes over.
It makes sense. People may not like the idea, and the Browns may not either, but the idea has merit."
Now, right there, in your quote, you even insinuate that Bradford's shoulder isn't/might not be good - yet you still want him at slot 7. At least according to what you posted. 
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Indeed. That's based on the latest reports that suggest teams are aware Bradford may not be ready to go during OTA's, yet despite that, he's still listed by many as the top QB available.
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Why is Clausen painted as a bad guy, BTW? Been meanin' to ask you.
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Why is Clausen painted as a bad guy, BTW? Been meanin' to ask you.
I know you didn't ask me - but his attitude has been poor basically. He has come across as a me me me guy from day one, when he showed up in the limo.
Is it true? I sure don't know, and since I hate ND (from a long ways back), I don't watch their games.
I do know his "bad guy" image started when he was a freshman. What he's done since then to keep that image or to thwart that image I do not know.
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Pretty much what Arch said.
There isn't going to be an ESPN article that reads
CLAUSEN: NOTRE DAME'S UNHOLY ONE
but his reputation preceded his arrival and remains to this day. The sad reality is that Clausen has always been known as being 110% full of himself. I remember his press conference when he chose ND and he was full of it. I saw his last game and when exiting the field, wore his self-importance on his face andin his words.
There's a fine-line between the burning fire to win and the burning fire of arrogance. Clausen appears to have both, and the latter stronger than any player I've seen in recent memory.
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Hold on a second, Toad... You mean this isn't a glowing endorsement? Quote:
"I will say this, for a team to do well, the quarterback has to play well. How they won games at the end - it wasn’t the quarterbacks. The ratio of runs to passes in the last four weeks of the season were remarkable. Normally you can’t win that way. You can have the greatest running game in the world and play good defense, but if you only throw six balls a game you’re not going to win. We’ve got to look at that.
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my concern with Bradford is that he appears to be a "system QB"
His replacement this year ( I believe his name is Jones and is a freshman?) did quite well this year after Bradford went down.
Bradford also appears to be the anti-Derek Anderson.
Great at short passes but not possessing the arm strength for deep passes.
Just my impression..........
And I'm not pimping Clausen by any means, but Phillip Rivers comes off as a jerk at times too.
I'm also wondering if Clausen isn't Brady Quinn 2.0
Wihout a CBA we may be stuck with who we have.
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Is there any indication that Bradford can sling it 35 yards over the middle and split a couple defensive backs?
I can't stand the way defenses push up and squeeze BQ. Plus, the wind coming off the lake, ... Sounds like Clausen might be the better fit. Maybe the Seahawks take one, make Hasselbeck available, and we wait to find our guy to groom.
You know, we talk about the eye test. I can remember watching BQ as a freshman and thinking to myself, there's something wrong. Then over the next 3 years that was reinforced every time I saw him. As a senior he was hyped as the surfire 1st pick. I figured I just missed it, or he had really matured under Weis and I just hadn't seen how. Then Diam laid out his explanation on why we could rest assured we finally had our franchise guy, and I admit, I felt better. But, BQ never once, ever, passed the eye test.
I should come up with an new sig, "I don't want to be a hater, I wish Brady Quinn was the guy, I really do, but...he isn't."
What do you think about that sophomore at Michigan State?
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my concern with Bradford is that he appears to be a "system QB"
That's the big difficulty these days with spread QB's: Evaluating if they can make the transition.
I crow like a Banty-rooster because I yelled as loudly as my fingers could type when we could have traded up to get Rodgers while shouting down the idiocy of Smith going #1 overall. The reason was because Smith played in Meyer's version of the spread, and what was more damning was that he played on the side of the country where they can't even spell "D E F E N S E" let alone execute it.
It is a legit concern, but it's why I think Bradford will need to sit and learn instead of come right in and play, which is why I also don't put as much concern into his shoulder, though it is a big concern.
Of course Crabtree's injured foot was supposed to be a huge concern too.
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His replacement this year ( I believe his name is Jones and is a freshman?) did quite well this year after Bradford went down.
Nope. Landry Jones played like CRAP. I watched him often. I'm in Texas, afterall. My lead bartender is from OK and we talk all kinds of football. Jones was WAY in over his head and played like it. His play helped Bradford's case.
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Bradford also appears to be the anti-Derek Anderson.
Great at short passes but not possessing the arm strength for deep passes.
Just my impression..........
He has enough arm. He doesn't possess a cannon, but as long as you're very accurate, you don't need one. He is that accurate, so his arm isn't a concern for me.
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Wihout a CBA we may be stuck with who we have.
I fail to see how an extension of the CBA plays a role in acquiring a new QB and kicking Anderson to the curb.
Anderson isn't going to see that $2 million bonus in March, nor his $7 million dollar salary (estimated). He's finished.
Holmgren gave no vote of confidence to Quinn.
Mangini showed no confidence in Quinn, and his return has Camp-Quinn shakin' in their boots.
We're getting a new QB. The only real question is whether it's one or two. Since Quinn has looked like crap during his time here, I'd expect a veteran QB who can be on stand-bye as well as a young QB out of the draft.
Olkskool, I have no opinion on that kid. I haven't seen him play more than one game, so it wouldn't be fair to offer one.
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Seems to hang in the pocket, gets rid of it quickly, good motion, throws a nice ball, good velocity. Makes mistakes, but was a sophomore.
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Does it mean that both Quinn and Anderson are tradebait? What could you get for them? I mean, picks,, players or some combination of the two.
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Is it worth using them as tradebait anymore? I doubt GMs are lining up to make offers for either of our QBs... I really think that we should dangle Anderson to the Raiders.... Russell will get bounced if they get a new coach, and his chances of survival improve minimally if Cable sticks around. Plus, they seem to have a thing for Browns QB castoffs. My bro-in-law (Raiders fan) wouldn't hear the end of it if we could pull off this trade.
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"I know Holmgren is doing the right thing and saying the right things regarding Quinn"
I think its just rather simple...its not an obvious - the task will be a hard one but a correct call must be made.
As for me putting it here...well I go by the thread. Its about MH and BQ.
Personally I think we are going to get our Franchise QB and he's not on our roster right now.
I think BQ or DA (DA - cause MH thinks highly of him from his 07 competition against DA, one of his best games as a pro. And because DA is simply impossible to trade with his current contract - where as BQ can get us a draft pick)
Thats if we go in the draft....if we trade our 1st round pick for Kolb??? Then kiss DA good bye and BQ will be our back up.
JMHO - all I know two guys I respect the most in evaluating QBs...MH and Sean Payton, and one of them is here with Supreme power 
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Over the past few years the trend is clear.
GM's will wait till a guy who has very little value, along with a big contract, is released.
I think most of us will be shocked if we got something for DA
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Does it mean that both Quinn and Anderson are tradebait? What could you get for them? I mean, picks,, players or some combination of the two.
There are very few players in the league who aren't trade-bait. There are probably two or three on this team. Our QB's aren't part of that equation.
Anderson is slated to cost the Browns $9.7 million dollars next season. He won't be back, salary cap or otherwise.
Quinn has value because he's cheap and because there are still suckers out there who cling to memories of his Notre Dame days. That doesn't necessarily mean he's "bait" but it does mean he's available if someone knocks on our door.
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No, Al Davis wouldn't come for Quinn.
Anderson, now that's a different story.
Crazy Al seems to like guys that can throw the ball far and hard...with no accuracy or touch. Anderson would fit perfectly.
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He doesn't need to come knocking for him, just simply wait until he's cut.
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That's where Al's madness would kick in.  Trade a 2nd for him now, before he's cut. Don't give any team a chance to sneak in and steal him later. 
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That's where Al's madness would kick in.
Trade a 2nd for him now, before he's cut. Don't give any team a chance to sneak in and steal him later.
can someone leak out that DA has a 4.3 40-time? i think that might get Al's wheel's turning
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Man, that was a fun offence to watch.
Most of the time.
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has anyone heard any news about BQ's foot?
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The last thing I remember being said about it was by Holmgren in one of the news conferences during his first week on the job. I remember his saying that Quinn visited a specialist down south somewhere and that he was due back in town the following Monday.. Holmgren planned on meeting him then and getting a handle on his situation..
Outside of that,, nothing new I guess..
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has anyone heard any news about BQ's foot?
Have you checked behind Daboll? I think it might be lodged up there...
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has anyone heard any news about BQ's foot?
Have you checked behind Daboll? I think it might be lodged up there...
I think it should be the other way around
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I can see us taking him because Quinn is in place. Quinn gets one more crack at the job while Bradford heals his shoulder.
Coming around Mr. Toad?
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This is known as the "Reverse Drew Brees."
Draft the guy with the shoulder problems while waiting for the current starting QB to get good.
I have a question about Bradford. If he won't be ready by OTA's does that mean he won't be able to throw for teams before the draft? If he can't throw for teams I would expect his draft stock to plummet.
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I can see us taking him because Quinn is in place. Quinn gets one more crack at the job while Bradford heals his shoulder.
Coming around Mr. Toad?
Nope. Just interested in giving him one more chance to fail so I won't have to hear how he didn't get a fair chance.
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Acquiescing to the fans eh?
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