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Sorry Canada, I'm with everyone else.
Gun Regulation is a dangerous road to go down, and the 2nd amendment right is a very fundamental principle of our constitution.
I want the right to protect myself in my home. That is my right to have. I like the option of having a handgun just in case somebody with one comes to my home. And the government deciding whether or not I can own a gun is bogus. I have done nothing wrong, there's no reason I shouldn't be able to own one.
Felons have done something wrong, and that's why they can't carry them.
I do believe that a permit should be required with every gun purchase, but that's as far as that should go.
May be part of it is distrust of the government. While we know that we can't take on tanks or helicopters with shotguns/handguns, that isn't what it's about. It's about keeping them in check.
But that's just me, I hate politicians in general.
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If you regulate or limit the original sale of weapons at the source, wouldn;t it make sense that there's a trickle down effect? With less weapons on the street and less weapons in the hands of people who don't qualify, I would propose that less weapons find their ways into criminal hands.
Dunno - check out the gun laws in Mexico - some of the strictest.
Yet look at the drug cartels - most heavily armed of anywhere.
Gun laws work? Only for the law abiding citizen. And that's not the person we need to worry about, is it?
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The idea of a citizen's uprising seems pretty unrealistic however.
It has already happened once in the history of this nation.....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Yet look at the drug cartels - most heavily armed of anywhere.
To be fair, they are getting those guns from our country. They bring their drugs here and bring the guns back there
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yeah, at 2 a.m. when someone breaks into my house I really want to grab this locked box, unlock it, then go grab another locked box, unlock, then assemble my gun, then go somewhere else and grab the ammo. May as well call 911 and tell them to hurry, cause I'm fearing for my life.......and step on it).
I laughed out loud the first time I read that but the more and more you think about it it's really quite sad and just irritates the hell out of me. All of this government invasiveness makes me sick. 
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Great - you need to pay $30 for a box of what used to cost you $5.
I thought that was more related to supply/demand rather than taxes and whatnot. So many people were scared into buying ammo that suppliers can't keep up, thus raising the price.
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The idea of a citizen's uprising seems pretty unrealistic however.
It has already happened once in the history of this nation.....
And it was a poor choice to do so even then.
The only way you get any type of uprising, and not just that of a small cadre of like-minded individuals, would be because you take away people's current lifestyle of consumerism.
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Great - you need to pay $30 for a box of what used to cost you $5.
I thought that was more related to supply/demand rather than taxes and whatnot. So many people were scared into buying ammo that suppliers can't keep up, thus raising the price.
Correct - at this point in time. No argument from me on that. Do some reading on what MAY be in the works though. Well, not even what MAY be - what is in the works. Hasn't passed yet, and may never pass. But government knows banning guns is almost impossible. The next, and easiest step? Taxing the hell out of ammo. And brass, and powder.
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The next, and easiest step? Taxing the hell out of ammo. And brass, and powder.
Unfortunately, they can indirectly regulate firearms through expensive insurance as well, which I've been reading up on lately. It would be like driving without insurance. Fines, fines, and more fines.
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Felons have done something wrong, and that's why they can't carry them.
Says who? The government?...that folks don't trust to regulate guns? 
I've had many public and private conversations with folks on this board who are adamantly pro-gun...and IMO they don't get it.
If the gov't *REALLY* didn't want you to have a gun, they'd find a B.S. felony charge for you...that is where the gun control takeover would start.
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Says who? The government?...that folks don't trust to regulate guns?
Says natural law.
The government, or governing body certainly didn't endow me with my rights. I was given them at birth -- the governing body is just the means to enforce the continuation of those liberties. When the governing body tries to take the place of Nature's God, we have a problem. So, no, I don't think the sentiment is that the governing body isn't to be trusted to regulate firearms, it's that they have no business regulating firearms, which means the governing body is trying to take the place of Nature's God if they claim that they do have the right to regulate firearms, meaning we have a problem.
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I should stay out of this debate...but..
Has anyone else received the chain email titled...
......All guns to be listed on (2010) TAX RETURNS......
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If the gov't *REALLY* didn't want you to have a gun, they'd find a B.S. felony charge for you...that is where the gun control takeover would start.
May be individually, fine. But as a whole, they can't take all gun owners and make them felons and then they can't own guns. If they want to get rid of guns, they'll have to make owning a gun a crime, then felony or not it doesn't matter.
And who says felons shouldn't own guns? Well a jury decided my friend couldn't own a gun. They decided that when he was found guilty of a violent crime. Once you are guilty of a violent crime you lose your right to have a gun. I think that most people here would agree with that one.......... That's something I agree with, and I imagine most people on here agree with.
But the fact is, if he wanted a gun, after getting out of prison he has even more resources to get one............
Making guns illegal, or more regulated, will not keep guns away from criminals. Guns are durable goods. They're well made products. They last a long time. Do you know how many guns are in this country already?
Most people who use guns for the wrong reason don't have a permit for the weapon they're using. The guns are already around, and with criminals there will always be a market.
So me, I'd rather at least have the right to protect myself from those that don't care about gun laws or really the law in general.
I do nothing wrong and I'm stuck being defenseless without choice (like if the handgun ban in Washington DC and i think NYC was expanded)? Doesn't seem right
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Agreed,...do away with guns ? Pfft ! The criminals would just find/use/employ another weapon. I remember the principal ragging me -- jokingly -- about teaching the boys in Metal Shop how to make a screwdriver,... 
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Lots of good info and I can understand where alot of folks here are coming from. I don't necessarily agree with alot of it but Canada doesn;t have the gun culture that the States does. But this cracked me up a bit from jfnent... Quote:
It's been proven around the world that criminals will always find guns. There is absolutely no data indicating reduction in violent crime with increased gun control legislation. There is, however, lots of data showing a decrease in violent crime in areas enacting concealed carry.
How is it proven that criminals will always find guns? I'd love to hear the scientific research design on that one....
Well you see we drop the criminal in this here maze and we see if he can find his way to the Glock.....
As to the statistics, I did some looking around and there's statistics that support both arguments. Whereas the US has more gun homicides that countries with better gun regulation, they have less overall crime than some countries with more strict gun laws.
I'm sure one could really get into the data and find all sorts of relationships but I don;t really have the time to get into it. Unless someone would like to commission me at my hourly rate. 
There's been some interesting new points brought up but ultimately, I think my overall thoughts on the subject remain the same. Guns and the right to gun ownership is actually a distinctive part of the American identity. Trying to restrict or remove them meets with resistance because you're not just taking away a good, you're trying to change the basic cloth that people are cut from.
That being said, if Barack gets in for a second term, I'd bet dollars to donuts that he goes after gun laws. He can;t go for it in the same term as his health care changes if he wants any shot at re-election. Strikes me that Barack's agenda is to change the American identity....whether or not that is a good thing is probably another post all together.
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You are not stuck.. You just don't obey the law.
I wouldn't, nor would millions of others.
If they try to outlaw guns, they better build some pretty darn big prisons, because there will be lot's of people packing them.
After the first few hundred are sent away for owning guns and nothing more, then the people going will be people who start shooting as they come up the driveway.
I just don't see it happening to be honest. If banning guns became a honest of goodness issue and passed, I doubt Tennessee would follow the law, nor would Alabama, Texas, and about 25 other states.
It would be game on at that point.
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Unfortunately, they can indirectly regulate firearms through expensive insurance as well, which I've been reading up on lately. It would be like driving without insurance. Fines, fines, and more fines.
First, car insurance is a good thing. I may not like exactly how claims are handled sometimes, however it's a protection that others need when around you.
Second, gun insurance would be rife with fraud without the right type of contract. It probably wouldn't protect yourself from your gun and a misfire. What a horrible idea that is. I probably wouldn't own a gun if it came to that type of red tape ... not legally anyways.
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First, car insurance is a good thing. I may not like exactly how claims are handled sometimes, however it's a protection that others need when around you.
How do you explain a "no fault" state then. And the requirement of uninsured motorist coverage. 
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It's been proven around the world that criminals will always find guns. There is absolutely no data indicating reduction in violent crime with increased gun control legislation. There is, however, lots of data showing a decrease in violent crime in areas enacting concealed carry.
I'm glad I could be a source of amusement. Let me elaborate.....criminals will obtain and use guns to commit violent crime in other countries and cities in this country where strict gun control laws are on the books.
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Well you see we drop the criminal in this here maze and we see if he can find his way to the Glock.....
Yeah, that's what I meant.  Do you really think telling a criminal there's a new gun law will prevent him from using one to commit a crime?
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Guns and the right to gun ownership is actually a distinctive part of the American identity. Trying to restrict or remove them meets with resistance because you're not just taking away a good, you're trying to change the basic cloth that people are cut from.
I just think more Americans are realizing that increased gun control does not decrease violent crime and only prevents them from defending themselves. It's definitely not working in Washington D.C., Chicago, N.Y., California, the UK or Australia.
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That being said, if Barack gets in for a second term, I'd bet dollars to donuts that he goes after gun laws. He can't go for it in the same term as his health care changes if he wants any shot at re-election. Strikes me that Barack's agenda is to change the American identity....whether or not that is a good thing is probably another post all together.
Obam's been on record favoring a nationwide ban on concealed carry, and the Dem congressional leaders have all voted for every gun control bill that's crossed their desks. Many of the newer dems got elected by softening their stance on gun control. I think you're right about Obama waiting for the second term to touch this....if he takes an anti-gun position before the next election he can kiss that second term good-bye.
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I just think more Americans are realizing that increased gun control does not decrease violent crime and only prevents them from defending themselves.
I lived in Bermuda for a few years in my younger years. Guns are totally banned there (for the populace). While I was stationed there only the US Military and the Bermudian Military & Police had firearms of any sort.... violent crime was still a problem in a population of only 70,000.
Banning & controlling a weapon doesn't change the type of crime committed at all, it only changes the methods used. Murders still occur. Armed Robbery still occurs. So does Rape.
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Do you really think telling a criminal there's a new gun law will prevent him from using one to commit a crime?
That seems to be a common thread here and I explained myself earlier. I'm not saying that criminals will respect gun laws. I'm saying that with tightened gun laws it may become more difficult for criminals to obtain guns.
Will it eliminate it? No...there's far too many floating around.
Would it reduce it? I'd say its a reasonable assumption to make.
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I just think more Americans are realizing that increased gun control does not decrease violent crime and only prevents them from defending themselves. It's definitely not working in Washington D.C., Chicago, N.Y., California, the UK or Australia.
This is both a yay and a nay. Stats are out there that support both. The US has a higher instance of firearm murders. Point for gun control. The UK has a higher crime rate overall. Point against gun control. Its a pretty tit for tat debate.
One sentiment that has been expressed here has it pretty much nailed. Criminals will still commit crimes, regardless of what tools are at their disposal.
I'd like to see the study on the concealed carry stuff. I think its an interesting way of going about things.... armed deterrence. However, the idea of allowing a full country to do it brings to mind an image of the Old West....
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Guns and the right to gun ownership is actually a distinctive part of the American identity. Trying to restrict or remove them meets with resistance because you're not just taking away a good, you're trying to change the basic cloth that people are cut from.
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However, the idea of allowing a full country to do it brings to mind an image of the Old West...
or, in modern terms - an image of Switzerland.
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However, the idea of allowing a full country to do it brings to mind an image of the Old West...
or, in modern terms - an image of Switzerland.
Wild....I didn;t know they had cc has a matter of national policy. Probably a means to shut up the thousands of cuckoo clocks...
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I'm saying that with tightened gun laws it may become more difficult for criminals to obtain guns.
...and therefore make it more difficult or impossible for the law abiding citizen to obtain one. Infringing on someone's right to bear arms due to the misguided notion that it will reduce violent crime is a crime in and of itself, let alone that it will take away a valuable means of self defense from that violent crime.
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Will it eliminate it? No...there's far too many floating around.
Would it reduce it? I'd say its a reasonable assumption to make.This is both a yay and a nay. Stats are out there that support both. The US has a higher instance of firearm murders. Point for gun control. The UK has a higher crime rate overall. Point against gun control. Its a pretty tit for tat debate....
Like I said, there is no proof that gun control reduces violent crime. Most of the gun related murders in this country occur in the cities with the strictest of gun control laws.
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Would it reduce it? I'd say its a reasonable assumption to make.
reasonable ....yes
Correct.....no
In fact the point many aave tried to make is that crime and ARMED crime went UP in both situations in the UK and Austrailia after the gun laws were put in place. I do not have the links...but I am sure we can find some.
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However, the idea of allowing a full country to do it brings to mind an image of the Old West....
I don't mean to sound crass....but That's your problem. what I mean is....Most people have some Hollywood picture in your head of armed people going around shooting each other every day and quick draws at high noon. Pardon me, but that is born out of your own ignorance....and I apologize I don't mean that in a bad way. Most people do have that view because that is the only information that is shown to them.
Gunfights were actually a rarity.
In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:
In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year. In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.
Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:
DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents) New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents) Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents) Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
Now look at that he is taking 5 well known"Wild" West Cities. known for the gun fights etc. and their numbers pale in comparison to singular cities today...
The Wild West wasn't as Wild as everyone thinks it was...
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In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:
In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year. In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.
Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:
DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents) New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents) Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents) Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
Now look at that he is taking 5 well known"Wild" West Cities. known for the gun fights etc. and their numbers pale in comparison to singular cities today...
The Wild West wasn't as Wild as everyone thinks it was...
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And you know why, right? When a high percentage of people (not most, by any means - but a high percentage) carry or have a gun, the bad guys are more reluctant to use theirs.
If they - the bad guys - know law abiding citizens cannot have a gun - they are much more apt to use their gun.
Criminals - by the very definition - don't CARE what the law says. Adding more gun laws will only increase the number of criminals by changing what used to be a law abiding citizen into a criminal for even having a gun.
Example about criminals: It is illegal to rob. Not a damn law in the world has changed the fact that people get robbed every day. We could add 20 new laws a day for the next year about robbery - and robberies will still happen just as often if not more often.
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Most people have some Hollywood picture in your head of armed people going around shooting each other every day and quick draws at high noon. Pardon me, but that is born out of your own ignorance....and I apologize I don't mean that in a bad way. Most people do have that view because that is the only information that is shown to them.
This is the argument used by the antis to try and squash the concealed carry legislation......road rage gunfights, shootouts in the streets, family squabbles settled by guns, etc. This was found to not be true at all. Since Ohio enacted the concealed carry law in 2004, only one license holder has been prosecuted for a violent crime (as of 1 year ago). Nationwide, violent crime committed by CCL holders is a small fraction of that of the general population. Hate to keep hammering on this, but criminals are the problem....not the guns. It's like saying that pencils are responsible for spelling errors.
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I feel an incredible responsibility to myself, family and citizens around me when I'm carrying. Not to so much to protect them or myself but rather to be 100% in my knowledge of my piece, my frame of mind and realization of the power of the weapon I'm carrying.
Having said that I have had to draw it and let it drop to my side as my daughter and myself were approached by a man in a parking lot who after three stern warnings to leave us be kept closing his distance on us demanding to talk to me.
He left immediately by the way...
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Having said that I have had to draw it and let it drop to my side as my daughter and myself were approached by a man in a parking lot who after three stern warnings to leave us be kept closing his distance on us demanding to talk to me.
He left immediately by the way...
that's horrible -- I'm glad you and your daughter are safe though.
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Having said that I have had to draw it and let it drop to my side as my daughter and myself were approached by a man in a parking lot who after three stern warnings to leave us be kept closing his distance on us demanding to talk to me.
He left immediately by the way...
that's horrible -- I'm glad you and your daughter are safe though.
This is precisely why people go through the hassle of getting CC permits - not to COMMIT a crime - but to defend themselves FROM crime.
Don't take guns away from law abiding citizens - take them from criminals. (and if someone can figure out how to do that, I'll give them al gore's Nobel Peace price)
I have some thoughts as to how to eliminate criminals from having guns - but they wouldn't be politically correct. So I'll keep them to myself.
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Exactly Arch. I promise you I didn't get any power trip out of that and technically it's not quite legal to brandish the piece. A shady guy in a long coat being belligerant and closing on us I felt it a threat. I'm glad he left, really glad. But I can assure you...I will NOT be a victim. Things could have gotten bad for me or anyone else forced to use theirs arms. But again, I won't become a victim to these thugs.
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Don't take guns away from law abiding citizens - take them from criminals. (and if someone can figure out how to do that, I'll give them al gore's Nobel Peace price)
The Nobel Peace Prize has become somewhat of a biased joke. First Al Gore taking on Global Warming with his movie (which had tons of skewed figures) but people took as pure truth. And no global warming is being exposed as possibly being a complete farce, although just a couple years ago anyone who said that global warming wasn't man-made was called an idiot.
Then our president gets it for nothing. Absoultely nothing.
But I imagine that might have been what you were implying when you said you'd give them AG's BS peaceprize. Didn't Yassir Arafat (who later stole from the people of Palestine!) get that peace prize too?
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I grew up around guns and I have always viewed them with tremendous respect. In my early years it wasn't uncommon for there to be guns leaned against corners in the house, laid on the workbench in the garage, or stashed away in a dresser drawer.
These firearms were accessible and we knew better.
We knew that you don't play with guns, because they aren't a toy.
We knew that you only pointed a gun at something that you wanted to shoot.
We knew to always assume a gun is loaded.
And we remained safe throughout our childhood and teenage years. We grew into adults who respect firearms and understand their importance. We grew up with guns in our hands, and we learned how to safely handle a firearm.
Now we are grown up and we see shooting after shooting. There are adults killing adults, kids killing adults, kids killing kids, and kids killing themselves. There are murders, suicides, and tragic accidents. People are dying.
Its really sad to see this. And the answer so many are proposing is enacting more gun laws.
It is truly sad to see. People have lost the fundamental respect for firearms---and in related news, people have lost a lot of respect for life itself. Most kids would not know how to act if they were handed a gun. Some would leave it alone, avoid it, keep their distance. They would keep it at bay like a rabid dog, fear it, and immediately seek to distance themselves from it.
Still others may handle it, and play with it, and even point it at friends and laugh. They might point it at themselves or look down the barrel. They would display an ignorance that is commonplace these days.
Go into any high school classroom, even middle, elementary classroom and bring them a gun. You are going to see the kids who sit in fear, and those who show some curiosity-----and if you are really lucky, you will find a few who know how to handle one responsibly. Guns for the most part, only exist on television and in the movies to most kids. They are in the video games, and headlines in the print news. Their reference is a well-established trend within popular music.
Guns are entertainment to kids. And through our avoidance, we keep it that way. We keep our kids far away from guns. We teach them to turn them into the proper authorities, or to steer clear. How to handle a firearm, is simply not an attractive option in America.
For some reason, how to handle a firearm seems like some ancient rite in America. The ignorance related to firearms is really creating a dark age of guns.
People need to accept that guns are fundamental to this country and they should become a larger part of our culture. We really need to educate people at a young age on how to responsibly handle a firearm. And more people need to grow up with a better understanding of firearms.
Guns are for protection and to provide food. They secure an individuals possessions from the aggression of another. They give a great advantage on the hunt. And finally, they are a last resort against a tyrannical gov't. They give every citizen a last resort if it ever came to that.
I think that guns are important, and being a responsible gun owner makes you a better person. I think they serve several important purposes and we are letting ourselves be deluded into thinking that we don't need them, or don't need to know about them.
Guns will always be around---we need to approach them with a more educational approach. Let kids learn about guns from responsible adults and not tv and movies.
I wish to wash my Irish wristwatch......
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I grew up around guns and I have always viewed them with tremendous respect. In my early years it wasn't uncommon for there to be guns leaned against corners in the house, laid on the workbench in the garage, or stashed away in a dresser drawer.
Just like how you smoked a blunt with an ounce in it before your buddy went to prison?
- For those who don't know a blunt is weed rolled in a cheap cigar wrap. And it's pretty much impossible to roll an ounce into a blunt, plus smoking an ounce between two people is pretty much impossible.
Sorry Tyler, but just let us know when you are going to exagerate...........
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For the millionth time.....he does not exaggerate!
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
- John Muir
#GMSTRONG
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Seriously? The guy writes a good, informed, thoughtful post and you decide to pull one line out and rip him on exaggeration because you think he's exaggerated in the past?
Bad form dude.
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