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The arrival of new general manager Tom Heckert has triggered a bunch of departures in the Cleveland Browns' pro personnel department.
According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Heckert fired the entire department.
That includes senior director Steve Sabo, a veteran talent evaluator, as well as director Keith O'Quinn, associate director of college and pro personnel Jim Jauch and assistant director James Kirkland.
Heckert will likely overhaul the college scouting department, too, but not until after the draft.
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I dont get it.....why fire the scouting dept and not hire untill after the draft.  Who will handle the scouting till then? I am sure i am missing something....... 
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He fired the Pro Personnel department, not the college one. The college group is being left in tact as most are under contract through May.
Browns is the Browns
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They fired the pro scouts not the college scouts.
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 I'm sorry to laugh,, some people just lost thier jobs today and that's never a laughing matter.. But about an hour ago, I was about to put up a post about it being quiet all of a sudden since the introduction of Heckert... WOW,, I would have been totally wrong... Thus the reason for a chuckle... I guess this means we are going to hear about a bunch of hires in the next week or so....
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Just to add to what Purp said, I'm sure that since he was a GM, he has had many scouts and pro personnel people working for him, and in contact with him. If he puts someone in place, odds are that that person has already been scouting players. I hope they fire the guy who suggested Poteat 
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I read the last sentence incorrectly.  After i read it again...i see my error. 
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I hope they fire the guy who suggested Poteat
Didn't they already say Mangini was staying? 
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It's not even about people getting fired, it's about how he went about doing it.
Did he gather everyone in a room and tell them they're all fired?
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This is not so much a defense of Mangini as it is an observation, but if this were last year and Mangini did this, there would have been an uproar in the press about how the Grinch put all these people out of work just after Christmas.
It's amazing what the credibility of Holmgren and his staff will do for people's perceptions!
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I hope they fire the guy who suggested Poteat
Uh, I think there is a good bet that they did...
Great move. Get rid of it now rather than trying to co-exist.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but free agency is in less than 2 months.
These are the people that grade the pros, thus the free agents.
Seems a little like bad timing, but I'm sure they have a plan and people in place to pick up where these guys left off.
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How many people are we talking about here?
Does anyone know? I'd imagine that the pro dept is much smaller than the college dept. and we may not have to bring in too many people to refill here.
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I heard about this guy Will Lewis one time. What coincidence! He has experience as a director of pro personnel. What are the odds? Crazy. Also, there's this other guy, Reggie McKenzie. Nobody on these boards has probably ever heard of him. But get this, he has a history with pro personnel too. I know it's hard to believe. Wouldn't it be crazy if either of these guys had ties to Holmgren? That would be so crazy.
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Could you imagine? Holmgren, Heckert, AND McKenize in the same FO...
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I heard this guy Will Lewis one time. What coincidence! He has experience as a director of pro personnel. What are the odds? Crazy.
Also, there's this other guy, Reggie McKenzie. Nobody on these boards has probably ever heard of him. But get this, he has a history with pro personnel too. I know it's hard to believe.
Wouldn't it be crazy if either of these guys had ties to Holmgren? That would be so crazy.
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Great links there. McKenzie if hired would make our front office the biggest in the NFL.........maybe the world!!! He looks like a big guy in that Packers bio. Heck they are all big enough they HAVE to understand you win with the lines!!
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Seems a little like bad timing
Please, someone, anyone tell me what great FA moves these guys made in what, the last 10 years?
These guys were chumps, hence the dearth of talent on this team. I applaud the move
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Uh, I think there is a good bet that they did...
Great move. Get rid of it now rather than trying to co-exist.
Now find the guy who recommended Viekune and kick him in the seat of the pants on the way out.
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Heckert will likely overhaul the college scouting department, too, but not until after the draft.
Have to say I'm a bit uneasy about this. If I'm a Browns college scout, I'd see my chief concern over the next couple of months as networking and working on my job hunt.
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What if they Pro personel sucked and the college draft scouts didn't? Some people (as hard as it may be for some of you to believe) actually like our last draft. (or at least see enough promise to be alright with it and beyond that you can't judge a draft right away). For all any of us know, Heckert might keep many of them. No one thought Mangini was going to stay either.
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Have to say I'm a bit uneasy about this. If I'm a Browns college scout, I'd see my chief concern over the next couple of months as networking and working on my job hunt.
If you did, then you deserve to be on a job hunt.
So long as you are employed by the Cleveland Browns, your Job One is to serve the team's interest(s).
My guess is that this new FO knows what Real Professional Football is like... and how it's done. Anyone who has a decent track record of scouting, analysis and production could stand a decent chance of being retained.
Imagine if you were the scout assigned to the MAC, and were the one to put Josh Cribbs' name in the mix, during Year One of Savage/Crennel...Even if the staff at the time blew you off, and picked Josh up after the draft was over, you don't think that something like that would go a long way towards retaining your job security, no matter who's coming in? What if you'd suggested Big Ben just a year before?
Best guess: each scout will be given a thorough going-over, as regards their pick suggestions, year-by-year. Some will be dumped, some might not. A wholesale purge of the Pro Department doesn't neccessarily mean a total purge of the College Dept. Some will stay, and some will go.
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It's not even about people getting fired, it's about how he went about doing it.
there really isn't an easy way to tell someone they are fired.. the best way is to just sit them down, one at a time and tell them..
I seriouly doubt he sat them in a room together and mass fired them.. although, anything is possible. But that would be rather unprofessional.. Heckert and certainly Holmgren don't strike me as unprofessional...
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Lewis and McKenzie sound like solid guys that are familiar with Holmgren and his style. Is it possible that we are FINALLY headed in the right direction... I mean, Holmgren has serious cred,, Heckert as well.. Bring in one or both of these guys and suddenly,,, our FO team looks about as good as anyones in the league.... in fact, better than most..... This could get very interesting..
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I hope they fire the guy who suggested Poteat
First...every bad to mediocre team has a Poteat they have to play. Corner is the hardest position to play on D and the number of guys who do it well are fairly limited, so if you don't have 2 of the guys who do it well, you are left having to play someone who doesn't do it all that well, and they stick out like a sore thumb.
Some general comments...this move is simply clearing space for a guy like McKenzie. We aren't going to miss a beat. Heckert is up on pro personnel, as will whoever we bring in, which could be soon.
As for college scouting...nothing will happen there until after the draft. Those contracts run draft to draft, so they won't have to fire people, they just won't renew the contract. As for the actual scouting, all of those guys work from the same stock and all know the players, so one report to the next isn't going to vary all that much as to the grades on paper, so it doesn't really matter all that much who is out in the field assigning grades. Those guys sit together and talk to each other. It isn't as secretive as some might think as scouts know they are on a short leash anyway, so they work together and help each other out....you never know who's help you might need in getting your next job...they are almost like private contractors.
The biggest part at this point is the interviews...and heckert and his guys will be conducting those.
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Peen,, in your opinion, is there room for both Lewis AND McKenzie?
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Just a note from the PD,,, http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/01/cleveland_browns_gm_tom_hecker.htmlBasically this article doesn't say much new except this; Quote:
It also was learned Mike Clark was hired to replace Tom Myslinski as head strength coach. Clark was strength coach with the Seattle Seahawks since 2004
So, we have a new Head Strength Coach..
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Named to his current position on January 22, 2004, Mike Clark joined the Seahawks in his first stint in the National Football League after 24 years of service coaching collegiate athletes in strength, conditioning and nutrition.
Clark came to Seattle from Texas A&M, where he spent 14 seasons as the head strength and conditioning coach, adding the title of assistant athletic director in 2000. During his tenure with the Aggies, Clark helped develop current Seahawks defensive lineman Rocky Bernard (1997-01) and Seahawks’ linebackers coach Zerick Rollins.
A 2003 inductee into the USA Strength and Conditioning Coaches Hall of Fame, Clark was twice named Strength Coach of the Year in 1993 and 2000. Also in 2000, he was the president of the Collegiate Strength & Conditioning Coaches Association.
Named to his current position on January 22, 2004, Mike Clark joined the Seahawks in his first stint in the National Football League after 24 years of service coaching collegiate athletes in strength, conditioning and nutrition.
Clark came to Seattle from Texas A&M, where he spent 14 seasons as the head strength and conditioning coach, adding the title of assistant athletic director in 2000. During his tenure with the Aggies, Clark helped develop current Seahawks defensive lineman Rocky Bernard (1997-01) and Seahawks’ linebackers coach Zerick Rollins.
A 2003 inductee into the USA Strength and Conditioning Coaches Hall of Fame, Clark was twice named Strength Coach of the Year in 1993 and 2000. Also in 2000, he was the president of the Collegiate Strength & Conditioning Coaches Association.
During Seattle’s Super Bowl XL run in 2005, his regimen earned the “Colonel” American Football Monthly’s NFL Strength & Conditioning Coach of the Year award.
Before joining the Texas A&M coaching staff, he was head strength and conditioning coach at Southern California (1988-89), Oregon (1983-87), Kansas (1982), and Wyoming (1981). After two years as a graduate assistant at Kansas (1977-78), Clark coached linebackers and served as defensive coordinator at Topeka (Kan.) High School (1979-80).
A graduate of Ottawa University where he played center, Clark earned his B.S. in Physical Education and minored in Biology in 1977.
Born August 22, 1954 in Wichita, Kansas, Mike and his wife, Kris, have three children, Matthew, J.J. and Alicia.
Career History:
1977-78 Kansas: Graduate Assistant
1979-80 Topeka HS: Defensive Coordinator/LBs)
1981 Wyoming: Head Coach/S&C
1982 Kansas: Head Coach/S&C
1983-88 Oregon: Head Coach/S&C
1988-89 USC: Head Coach/S&C
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Peen,, in your opinion, is there room for both Lewis AND McKenzie?
I don't know.
Like Holmgren said in the PC, there are a lot of creative titles one can be assigned.
The only problem I see is getting too many.
Talented people like titles, but they also like responsibility. At what point do you have more people then actual responsibility to spread around before you start taking stuff away from people??
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Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking... but so far, MH seems to have thought this out pretty well and he also seems to be getting the guys he wants..
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Have to say I'm a bit uneasy about this. If I'm a Browns college scout, I'd see my chief concern over the next couple of months as networking and working on my job hunt.
If you did, then you deserve to be on a job hunt.
So long as you are employed by the Cleveland Browns, your Job One is to serve the team's interest(s).
Perhaps that is the way it is in Neverland but the way it works in this world, these guys need to think first and foremost of their personal situation and providing for their families. If reality was as you describe then all employees should willingly accept to work for minimum wage in order to serve in a manner that is in their company's best interest.
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Not sure what I am thinking yet this morning, but this struck me upside the head. Is this kind of purge and pogrom the norm? Has it been associated with these guys before? We have lost enough games that we need to cauterize the organization and stop the bleeding. Don't get comfy; sur that there is more on the way. 
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Reckon,, go up a couple of posts from this one,, look at Peens post about how the contracts for these college scouts run draft to draft..
I think most know that thier jobs are only good for a year at a time and the better they are as scouts, the better chance they have of continuing.
The thing is, they have an opportunity to work with Heckert closely over the coming months leading up to the draft. They have the opportunity to impress him and thus, get a new contract.
Heckert may have his own guys in mind.. and he may still hire them after the draft.. But honestly, I gotta believe that if these guys currently on the scouting staff prove they are valuable,, I'm betting some will be asked to return..
Of course, some won't.. But they have the opportunity to at least impress Heckert.. If any of them take a dive,,, then they get what they deserve..
Unlike the Pro personnel folks who had about 2 days to impress.. In that case, Heckert and MH probably had guys in mind and will be moving on them quickly... thus the need to quickly clear the decks.. Also, by cutting these guys loose now, they have a better chance to hook up with another team...
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MH said he had too many responsibilities..so getting more people in who he can delegate responsibilites to frees him..U guys forget he said he learned from his mistakes from Seattle..tried to do too much..there's room for these other two..just as there hasn't been anyone below Lerner to direct things,that is drastically changing..
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I haven't lost sight of that. As I said, I don't know at what point you could begin to get top heavy, which creates problems of it's own as people begin to feel like others are stepping on their feet, but you can get there.
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Is this kind of purge and pogrom the norm? Has it been associated with these guys before? We have lost enough games that we need to cauterize the organization and stop the bleeding. Don't get comfy; sur that there is more on the way.
Heckert is the first coming to us as a new GM who actually has been a GM with experience. I'm sure he has an idea of his staff.
The Pro-side is small in number within an organization. I was surprised all were fired but to have firings was not a surprise.
To answer you question on the norm of firings. According to Wolf this is to be one of the steps...you don't want just the HC and field staff working hard to one goal but the entire staff. And unfortunately there are some lower level positions that seem to stay with the team as regimes changes and they might just do enough for their jobs...but the desire and fire is no longer there...OH HUM...just another regime business as usual.
Well the entire premise is to have personnel within the bowels of the organization all working feverishly towards the ONE GOAL. Firings have to come even at the level of the receptionist if the passion of the job wasn't there.
I believe Mangini made a lot of these changes last year so not many will come. But I don't know how much was done within the Personnel department, considering Kokinis was in charge and he didn't seem to do his job all that much.
There of course would be a Positive and Negative towards this in regards to the College side who are under contract until May. After the draft and most UDFA's are brought in.
Positive: They don't take their job for granted and will take their job to another level working for the upcoming draft.
Negative: They might all think that no matter what kind of job they do that come May, they will all be fired and a new team would be put in place.
Hopefully Heckert - possibly Holmgren might make an assist. Will show the leadership to accentuate the positive and that most definitely they can win security in their position from the evaluation of what they bring to the table the next 4 months. Also dispelling the negative that in no way shape of form is their a predetermined new staff that is coming here in May - if there are openings they will fill them but the fewer openings the better and again that will be determined directly on the work they do.
JMHO - I was thinking about this, has it been our scouting department or just the leadership involved with our poor draft history. Which has gotten better since 05.
Will the scouting department remain intact?
What ever the case is...Heckert has so much experience regarding Scouts and Personnel - I blindly trust what he does and this is his area of work. Hope he evaluates our scouts well and keeps the good ones.
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I haven't lost sight of that. As I said, I don't know at what point you could begin to get top heavy, which creates problems of it's own as people begin to feel like others are stepping on their feet, but you can get there.
Essentially a "too many cooks in the kitchen" scenario.
I agree, 'Peen. I'd love if we can bring in all these talented guys, but you have to find the right balance.
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Essentially a "too many cooks in the kitchen" scenario.
If you look at those 3 organizations Seattle/GB/Philly, I don't recall reading a lot of infighting or problems with having multiple FO people who know their roles..
What we've seen here is a lack of good sound people who work together.. and having a number of people allows MH to handle more of the things he needs to..
It's apparent he has reasoned from his past experience he needs people he can trust to form a solid group of support around and beneath him.
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U guys forget he said he learned from his mistakes from Seattle..tried to do too much..there's room for these other two..just as there hasn't been anyone below Lerner to direct things,that is drastically changing..
I don't think any of us have forgotten that at all.. There are only so many "CHIEF" jobs to go around,, at some point, you gotta get some "INDIANS".. Point being, while you can create a ton of titles, it's meaningless unless you create jobs that have responsbilities that meet the need of the person being hired..
Gotta keep them interested...
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"Gotta keep them interested..Indians..."...do U not think he will keep them interested ?
And some will probably sound..vague or maybe bogus to us..but these guys will have some specific things to do and perhaps overlap with him in some way.
This organization hasn't had very many Indians to work with ..at least the winning kind. 
And since he talks to The Tuna he is aware of how to structure his staff..I'm sure he isn't doing it by himself.
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"Gotta keep them interested..Indians..."...do U not think he will keep them interested ?
What I think is that at some point, you will run out of the top shelf, interesting jobs.. Yeah,, it could happen.. that can cause internal strife and end up ruining the good work..
So yeah, I think there is a real possibility that we could lose guys because they will not be "fulfilled' careerwise... Absolutly..
I'm equally sure that Holmgren is smart enough to not bring folks on if he can't challenge them in some fashion..
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