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So, do any of you really believe that Quinn is the future at QB still ?
I'd love to hear you arguments as to how you could possibly still believe in him .
Aside from that, I would like to see us bring in Trent Edwards from the Bills for a mid to late rounder if possible
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Everyone is tired of discussing the quarterbacks. The opinions and debate are fairly understood among fans. Trent Edwards? 
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Everyone is tired of discussing the quarterbacks.
The opinions and debate are fairly understood among fans.
Trent Edwards?
If you don't think Trent Edwards is a upgrade , well you are ... Well I can't go there or the thread will be deleted or something .
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Trent...really? Did you see any Bills games when he was starting?
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You don't like Quinn yet you want Trent Edwards? Any trade that would bring in Edwards doesn't seem worth the effort, frankly.
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Trent...really? Did you see any Bills games when he was starting?
Yep, I saw him outperform any QB that we have had since 1999, on a team just as bad as ours .
What about you , bud ?
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Is this the same Trent Edwards that got benched by the powerhouse Bills or am I thinking of another Trent Edwards?
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1,169 yards, 6 tds and 73.8 passer rating isn't what I would call an upgrade. Seems like a lateral move.
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Is this the same Trent Edwards that got benched by the powerhouse Bills or am I thinking of another Trent Edwards?
Yeah the same one that passes for over 60% completion and is far and away more talented than Quinn or Anderson ...
The one that is still only 26 and can definitely develop over here with our young core and become Holmgren's next QB .
The one that can be had for a mid to late round pick that we have an ABUNDANCE of .
By the way, the benching was a coach looking for a spark .. Which he didn't find .. So he brought Edwards back in, who was INJURED for the rest of the season with an ankle .
If you don't think Edwards is an upgrade, then you have still have some sort of strange Quinn love that is completely undeserved .
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1,169 yards, 6 tds and 73.8 passer rating isn't what I would call an upgrade. Seems like a lateral move.
So you base it off of one fragment of a season of stats on a team in shambles ...
How about the year before that ?
Again, he has been in the league the same amount of time as Quinn ..
Much more experience and production for a team with a much worse offensive line and situation in general .
Not to mention he can actually throw the football with some zip, and down the field .
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Ok how about these stats: in 32 games he has 24 tds, 25 ints and has been sacked 58 times. Those numbers don't make me feel warm inside.
I'll give you the fact he is accurate (61% career). And they finished the season with Kirk Chambers ?!?! at RT
Still doesn't seem like an upgrade to me but I understand people are desperate.
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Dude, here's a clue to how the real world works......
Just because we disagree with you doesn't mean we're stupid. So you can lose the tone. It also doesn't mean you're right about Edwards.
If I had to bet money (and I don't) I'd bet that Anderson is traded or released outright. I'd also bet that they try like hell to get a good veteran in here to be the stop gap QB until Heckert and Holmgren can decide who they'd like to draft at QB next year or the year after.
Barring a good veteran it'll be Quinn. I see virtually no way Edwards gets traded to us.
Besides, if Edwards is all that and a can of beer why would the Bills trade him? As far as the coach benching him for a spark.....Really? How do you know this? Sounds like an excuse a coach makes when he's got 2 QBs that can't get the job done and he's trying to save his job.
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Dude, here's a clue to how the real world works......
Just because we disagree with you doesn't mean we're stupid. So you can lose the tone. It also doesn't mean you're right about Edwards.
If I had to bet money (and I don't) I'd bet that Anderson is traded or released outright. I'd also bet that they try like hell to get a good veteran in here to be the stop gap QB until Heckert and Holmgren can decide who they'd like to draft at QB next year or the year after.
Barring a good veteran it'll be Quinn. I see virtually no way Edwards gets traded to us.
Besides, if Edwards is all that and a can of beer why would the Bills trade him? As far as the coach benching him for a spark.....Really? How do you know this? Sounds like an excuse a coach makes when he's got 2 QBs that can't get the job done and he's trying to save his job.
So is that what Mangini did by bringing in DA ? Trying to save his job ?
No, Quinn played like ... and was ZERO threat throwing the ball so he was removed for DA to try and provide a spark throwing downfield and opening up the offense .
Why would the Bills entertain trading him ? They are in a full rebuild mode, and he cannot stay healthy with that POS offensive line that they have , which by the way is one of the league's worst if not THE worst .
Also, your first comment about "how the real world works" ... Wow, just wow .
No idea why you threw that in there .
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Trent Edwards hasn't been the same since the concussion he had.
Maybe if we traded a 7th rounder, but I certainly do not like him as a viable starter in the NFL.
JMHO though.
you had a good run Hank.
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I threw that in there to clue you into a fact that you seemed not to know. Perhaps it came out too harshly.
When you post something with the tone of finality that you did it seems to indicate that you think that the poster or posters you are responding to are somehow of lesser intelligence than you.
Now, this could be the case but you really have no way of knowing that on a message board. Unless you personally know the person you are talking with.
Coupled with the fact that so far you're the only one that seems to have a man-crush on Edwards leads me to believe you may have some sort of agenda with your Edwards-pimping. C'mon, 'fess up. You're his agent aren't you?
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No, Quinn played like ... and was ZERO threat throwing the ball so he was removed for DA to try and provide a spark throwing downfield and opening up the offense .
Why would the Bills entertain trading him ? They are in a full rebuild mode, and he cannot stay healthy with that POS offensive line that they have , which by the way is one of the league's worst if not THE worst .
JMO... I still maintain SOME of the reason why BQ was benched was to keep him under the 70% of snaps, as well as see if Anderson was the long term answer, rather than keep HIM as a backup for this upcoming year at 7.5 million (with roster bonus included).
But I don't think the bills are in rebuilding mode at all. They have a major need at the O-Line, but if they get one high in the draft and one in FA, they have 2 to 3 good / serviceable right now ... they should have a decent line. Marshawn lynch is probably gone, but they might get something out of him through a trade and keep fred jackson, they had an amazing secondary (when healthy) and decent LB corps (though none were healthy) ... and decent receivers ... I would say they are less in a rebuilding year than MANY teams, and may have more long term talent than we do....? If they focus on the trenches and stay healthy they could win that division... maybe.
And simply because you have some infatuation with Trent Edwards, doesn't mean we have one with Brady Quinn, it just means Edwards has more talented and more experienced receivers and has faced easier defenses (i'd face NE, NYJ, and MIA over the last few years then BAL, PIT and to an extent CIN anyday) ... yet why can't he prove himself with that experience? I'd honestly rather have Quinn at this point who is CHEAPER for contract $, EASIER to acquire (because he's already on our roster...) and still has more upside IMO because he has played in LESS GAMES than MARK SANCHEZ or MATTHEW STAFFORD have .... just think about that.
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Wow, you are pushing hard for a guy who might have a slightly lower floor and slightly higher ceiling than Kelly Holcomb had. And I'm a guy who thinks Edwards is a decent to solid Quarterback.
I'm going to guess we have a Stanford fan here.
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I'm going to guess we have a Stanford fan here.
If so ... will we see him push for us to take Toby Gerhardt with the #7 overall pick? or wait for our 2nd rounder?
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And simply because you have some infatuation with Trent Edwards, doesn't mean we have one with Brady Quinn, it just means Edwards has more talented and more experienced receivers and has faced easier defenses (i'd face NE, NYJ, and MIA over the last few years then BAL, PIT and to an extent CIN anyday) ... yet why can't he prove himself with that experience? I'd honestly rather have Quinn at this point who is CHEAPER for contract $, EASIER to acquire (because he's already on our roster...) and still has more upside IMO because he has played in LESS GAMES than MARK SANCHEZ or MATTHEW STAFFORD have .... just think about that.
I don't have an infatuation with Edwards, I want an upgrade over Quinn without using a draft pick .. It's either Edwards, Kolb, or McNabb for me ...
Also, think about this ... Don't you think there's a reason Quinn has played in less games than those two ?
He doesn't have "it" and I hope we don't need to go through another season before people realize this ...
Obviously Holmgren knows best, and when all is said and done I believe we will be getting rid of either DA or Quinn, and acquiring a new starter then dumping the other in 2011
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Nope, furthest thing from a Stanford fan ...
Funny you bring up Gerhart though I would love for us to pick him up in the 3rd round if he is available .
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If so ... will we see him push for us to take Toby Gerhardt with the #7 overall pick? or wait for our 2nd rounder?
Was there really a need for this ignorant post ?
So because I think that a late round pick is worth Trent Edwards having a shot here, you think I am an idiot and would take a H back / goaline running back at #7 ?
Wowzors . I would love to talk football with you in person .
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I don't have an infatuation with Edwards, I want an upgrade over Quinn without using a draft pick .. It's either Edwards, Kolb, or McNabb for me ...
Kolb and McNabb are easy upgrades.
I really do not see the difference between Edwards and Quinn. Trent Edwards would be a marginal/minimal improvement at best.
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Wow, you are pushing hard for a guy who might have a slightly lower floor and slightly higher ceiling than Kelly Holcomb had. And I'm a guy who thinks Edwards is a decent to solid Quarterback.
I'm going to guess we have a Stanford fan here.
Slightly higher ceiling than Holcomb ? He has already matched Holcomb's best career season in just his second year ...
How is a late round pick pushing hard ? Look it , next year we could watch Quinn fail once again, or we could take a risk and see Edwards fail or flourish with one year left on his contract .
Obviously I would rather have Kolb or McNabb , but don't see either being moved this offseason .
Kolb for the future, McNabb as a stop gap and quality upgrade until we bring in Holmgren / Heckert's guy for the future .
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If so ... will we see him push for us to take Toby Gerhardt with the #7 overall pick? or wait for our 2nd rounder?
Was there really a need for this ignorant post ?
So because I think that a late round pick is worth Trent Edwards having a shot here, you think I am an idiot and would take a H back / goaline running back at #7 ?
Wowzors . I would love to talk football with you in person .
My fault. I apologize, I was just joking and had read how you were acting ignorant to say that Quinn wasn't the answer. The reason why we couldn't put him in is because if we DID and benched Anderson we would go through the struggles of a rookie QB. And if Anderson went to another team and lit it up while we were stuck with a rookie, we would look like fools. Savage was afraid to make that mistake so he signed Anderson to a long term deal. And then, before they could FINALLY an offseason with Quinn taking all the snaps and reps with the first team, when he could build chemsitry with his line, backs, receivers and coordinators, when they could start their process for a new season, a new regime came in and NO-ONE was succesful in Daboll's new system until December. At that point, Quinn was out with a freak foot accident. Not saying he is a king or a future HOF-er ... just don't get how you have the moxy to say all of the coaches and officials in our organization and the bills organization can't see what you can with Quinn and Edwards both.
Long story short, I'm sorry to be rude, I just thought you were being ignorant. My bad.
I'd love Gerhardt in the 4th maybe 3rd ... I'd even love blount as a power back in the later rounds if he is available and character issues are solved.
Finally, we can talk football whenever you want. 
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I don't disagree that a late round pick is probably worth taking a look at Edwards if we fail to bring in people like Kolb or Campbell.
But you did begin this thread in an argumentative manner, so don't be surprised that you're getting more people dismissing you than actually discussing with you.
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Sorry, I don't usually post here and the offseason is quite boring . Just trying to stir some things up and get involved on the board  But really though, I do not see anything for the future with Quinn here .. And in my opinion the way that Holmgren and Heckert talk, it seems they don't either . I would be okay with a very productive offseason filling other positiong, and giving him one last shot this year to stay healthy and produce, but it is just my strong opinion from 6-7 years of watching Quinn that he just does not have "it" ... And he really hasn't done anything through three years to prove otherwise .
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Here's an example:
Mark Sanchez (before today's ongoing game)
15 Games
12 TD's
20 INT's
53.8 Comp %
6.7 yards / attempt
63.0 QB rating
If Brady Quinn (OR even DA to an extent) had:
1. a pro-bowl center (mack is good and getting better, but not what sanchez has in mangold)
2. an amazing pass-catching TE (I'd take D. Keller over Evan Moore right now)
3. Experienced and threatening Receivers in Cotchery and (lol) Edwards vs. Robiskie and Massoquoi's production THIS YEAR ...
4. Talented backs of Shonn Greene and Leon Washington (for the first half the season) to BACKUP Thomas Jones vs. J. Lewis, J. Harrison and C. Jennings Production of this year ...
5. Won't even start on the defense to back up the qb with field position and takeaways ....
The only advantage I would argue we legit have is Left tackle and special teams play ....
yet M. Sanchez is not faulted for all of his troubles because he is learning.
YES quinn has been in the league 3 seasons now ... BUT you don't learn football by watching, you learn by playing. AND as of the regular season finaled, Quinn has played in as many games as Sanchez, but has already played less plays. (See QUinn's 353 career attempts vs. 364 for Sanchez) ...
Point is ... how can you say Sanchez will learn, when by all accounts he has MORE experience than Brady Quinn??
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This comment gives us a good idea of where you're coming from.... 
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This comment gives us a good idea of where you're coming from....
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I'd love to hear you arguments as to how you could possibly still believe in him.
As I said about Mark Sanchez .. no-one would call him a bust because it's WAY too early. I understand quinn sat out many games behind Frye and DA, but it's still too early because he has less time for in game experience than Sanchez does.
Sanchez: 12 TDs 20 INTs 53.8% 63.0 Rating
Quinn: 10 TDs 9 INTs 52.1% 66.8 Rating
PLUS we didn't have schottenheimer as an O-Coordinator ... we had Daboll...
And I already went over the passes attempted, the comparables between the teams including experience of wr's and rb's ... no one on our team was pro-bowl calliber or all-league worthy except the 2 guys that made it...
So while I won't say i KNOW quinn is a future hall of famer or even pro-bowler .... I also can't say (or don't think anyone CAN say) he is trash. He could be AMAZING in other circumstances, and I just want to give him a real shot with REAL wr's, a REAL Offensive Coordinator, and a REAL FULL offseason for him to get the neccesary reps with the first team, rather than just casting him aside after only giving him the chance to prove himself reserved for a rookie.
After all, that is all we have seen from him so far.
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Stu - That is a great post to show that you don't need even average QB play in order to (back in) to the playoffs  Seriously though, I was never sold on Sanchez as an NFL caliber QB, and was shocked with many when he came out ... That said, getting into the playoffs is definitely a shot in the arm for his confidence, but his lack of ball security is a huge concern . Obviously I get that he is a rookie and the sky is the limit but ... I don't see him in NY after his rookie contract is up . As I said, I am all for one more shot for Quinn if we will up our voids on the team that need taken care of . This will give us a great opportunity to win as you and the Jets have shown. If Quinn does not improve his accuracy, give us the ability to open up the playbook to throw the ball around the field, and drastically improve his ability to read the defense ... with an improved team surrounding him ... he needs to go .
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This comment gives us a good idea of where you're coming from....
Great insight .
Is there a reason you are acting like a total ass on this thread?
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Wow, Brownies are you trying to get folks to not like you or pay attention to you? I noticed you replied to yourself in that last post.......nice.
Whatever you have to say about football is not going to go over well if you keep up this touchy little kid type of attitude. But hey it's a free country......act however you'd like.
Edwards is a bum. Quinn may be a bum. Neither is likely the answer. Out of the two of them, I'd stick with Quinn this year with better personal and see what happens. Just my opinion though. We'lll see.
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I agree.
Even though people tend to jump on the Quinn bandwagon because he was a firstround pick (and no one wants to say bust) and a pretty boy from Notre Dame,
I also think that a lot of people dislike him simply because he was a pretty boy from Notre Dame as well.
I dont want to auction the future of the franchise on the kid for the next 5 years, I just legit want to see what he can ACTUALLY do when given the full confidence of the coaches and organization. YES he did fall in the NFL draft, but I don't think it was anything more than no teams needing to take a first rounder between about 9 (where miami took ted ginn) and 22. Im surprised a team like KC didnt trade up and take him then.
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Wow, Brownies are you trying to get folks to not like you or pay attention to you? I noticed you replied to yourself in that last post.......nice.
Whatever you have to say about football is not going to go over well if you keep up this touchy little kid type of attitude. But hey it's a free country......act however you'd like.
Edwards is a bum. Quinn may be a bum. Neither is likely the answer. Out of the two of them, I'd stick with Quinn this year with better personal and see what happens. Just my opinion though. We'lll see.
Touchy little kid type of attitude ? Sorry for being fed up with mediocrity ? Which is what you will get with Quinn no matter WHO you put around him IMO .
Tell ya what, I'll buy you a home AND away Quinn jersey if he even has a respectable year next season , the requirements being 55% + and more TD than INT / fumbles lost combined .
People these days . I swear .
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BQ as a backup is fine. Durability is an issue; we need a veteran for the QB position, obviously not a Dorksey type. BQ has some skills and issues. I don't favor a 1st rounder pick myself; some other things can be addressed in the top ten and argued about which is better or more needed. I see one of them, DA probably gone for whatever we can get. And I see a sensible draft with more picks coming our way. But we need a young one to develop, and a proven to start IMO. JUst saying. If we have line upgrades and can run, the QB becomes less crucial. In BQ you don't have lights out type; like too many eggs in the wrong basket in my opine. 
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Trent Edwards had Lee Evans and Terrell Owens as his WRs and he still got benched. He got replaced by a 27-year old, 7th round draft pick from Harvard.
There is absolutely no evidence that Trent Edwards is better than any of our quarterbacks. If he can't put up numbers with the WRs he had, I don't want him. I guarantee Quinn would put up big numbers if he had Lee Evans and Terrell Owens to throw to.
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Trent Edwards had Lee Evans and Terrell Owens as his WRs and he still got benched. He got replaced by a 27-year old, 7th round draft pick from Harvard.
There is absolutely no evidence that Trent Edwards is better than any of our quarterbacks. If he can't put up numbers with the WRs he had, I don't want him. I guarantee Quinn would put up big numbers if he had Lee Evans and Terrell Owens to throw to.
You do realize that the offensive line was the WORST in the NFL , right ?
Again, in a year with a real resemblance of an offensive line, and no Terrell Owens (last season) He passed for more TDs than INTs, over 2000 yards, and over 65% completion .
Any Browns fan that wouldn't want that , would be waiting around for another 50 years to win .
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