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Trent Edwards had Lee Evans and Terrell Owens as his WRs and he still got benched. He got replaced by a 27-year old, 7th round draft pick from Harvard.
There is absolutely no evidence that Trent Edwards is better than any of our quarterbacks. If he can't put up numbers with the WRs he had, I don't want him. I guarantee Quinn would put up big numbers if he had Lee Evans and Terrell Owens to throw to.
You do realize that the offensive line was the WORST in the NFL , right ?
Again, in a year with a real resemblance of an offensive line, and no Terrell Owens (last season) He passed for more TDs than INTs, over 2000 yards, and over 65% completion .
Any Browns fan that wouldn't want that , would be waiting around for another 50 years to win .
Once again, look at his stats after the concussion. It's clearly giving him bad effects.
What Edwards was is a bad argument. Wouldn't you take 2007 Anderson over Trent Edwards?
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There is no changing this guys mind. He has a man crush on Trent Edwards. Lets all just smile nod and back away...  Yeah Trent Edwards is amazing
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Of course I would take 2007 Anderson all day long . But we all know what has happened to him .
I agree about the concussion, but again for a late round pick there is no way he wouldn't be worth a look for one season coming in to compete with one of the two: DA / Brady Quinn for the starting job ...
You never know .
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I've watched Edwards play a lot since he's been in the league.
He is H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E.
No thanks.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Yeah he had a GOOD year ... but ANDERSON was a pro-bowler 2 years ago ... any QB can be flashy with talent around them ... I agree buffalo would be better with a few more quality O-Lineman ... Wood was great for them until he was hurt and they had SOME improvement ...
As a sidenote their old O-Line coach went to Pittsburgh a few days ago ... read into that what you will ....
I just dont think it's wise to pursue a QB with question marks when in my mind, we already have at least a comparable (probably better with more upside still) questionable QB in Quinn ...
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I can't wait until the Browns actually have a Franchise QB so we can end these QB debate threads.
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Even if that happen people will still find fault in him.
Take Jeff Garcia as an example. I thought he played about as well as could have been expected but everyone wanted to burn him at the stake. Look back now. He could have been here for a couple year and let someone learn under him but NOOO. TO called him gay and that is all it took for the fans to start hating.
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I agree. Garcia was pretty decent when he was here.
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I agree. Garcia was pretty decent when he was here.
I still remember that game vs. Eagles.. Garcia did his thing, and almost beat them.
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Threw 4 TDs against the Bengals, including that 99 yarder.
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I remember a night-time game against Baltimore in which he put on one of the most gutsiest QB performances I'd ever seen. On what should have been a game-tying drive he took shot after shot after shot and got us inside the 10, threw a perfect ball to Heiden in the endzone, only to watch it deflect off his hands and into the arms of Ed Reed, who just took it back 109 yards for a pick six. It sucked but he earned my respect that night.
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I'm pretty sure that bounced off Aaron Shea.
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You do realize that the offensive line was the WORST in the NFL , right ?
Sort of. Trent Edwards got sacked 23 times, and Ryan Fitzpatrick got sacked 23 times. That's a total of 46 sacks.
Bad? Yes. Worst? No. Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers both go sacked more times than both of them (Roethlisberger and Rodgers got taken down 50 times each). Both flourished, and still put up career numbers despite their line's performance. Am I comparing Trent Ewards and Ryan Fitzpatrick to Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers? No. I'm demonstrating that quarterbacks can still execute with bad lines. Buffalo's WR's being above average to good doesn't help Edwards' case.
TO's not exactly in his prime, and has lost a step, but he's still a playmaker. Lee Evans is the perfect #2 WR, and a decent #1 on a team that lacks WRs. Both are playmakers.
Marshawn Lynch + Fred Jackson also combined for a total of 2,062 yards and 6 TDs. So it's not like their backfield, and running game were lacking.
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Again, in a year with a real resemblance of an offensive line, and no Terrell Owens (last season) He passed for more TDs than INTs, over 2000 yards, and over 65% completion .
Yeah, that may be true but his completion percentage is skewed because both Marshawn Lynch and Fred Jackson combined for 84 receptions that season. That means he checked down a lot, and he did, that was evident in the Monday nighter against us.
I don't think Trent Edwards would be an upgrade over anything we already have. I would rather take Jason Campbell over Trent Edwards' if given an ultimatum, I would rather draft a QB over both, and I would prefer to stay with what we have over all three options.
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No, I think it was Heiden and Ray Lewis was all over him before the ball got there.
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For the record, Toby Gerhart is more than an H-Back/goaline back. Just because he is white doesn't mean he can't carry the ball every down. The guy is a running ball of fire who will bolo many NFL defenders. He would be a very nice complement to Jerome Harrison. Too bad we don't have a late 2nd round pick and don't have a chance at drafting him.
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I want nothing to with Gerhard, and race is not a factor in my opinion.
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I want nothing to with Gerhard, and race is not a factor in my opinion.
it has to be.. the guy produces..
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Yeah, that may be true but his completion percentage is skewed because both Marshawn Lynch and Fred Jackson combined for 84 receptions that season. That means he checked down a lot, and he did, that was evident in the Monday nighter against us.
I like that you brought up the check down .
We have the KING of the check down on this team , and he can't even muster 50% .
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Now we just need to get Chris Johnson somehow. That way our checkdowns become 85 yard passes like Vince Young's do.
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Now we just need to get Chris Johnson somehow. That way our checkdowns become 85 yard passes like Vince Young's do.
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Bad? Yes. Worst? No. Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers both go sacked more times than both of them (Roethlisberger and Rodgers got taken down 50 times each). Both flourished, and still put up career numbers despite their line's performance.
Just to be fair, both of those QB's are well-known for holding onto the ball while trying to make a play, 'Berger even more-so than Rodgers, which leads to extra sacks.
The Bills line was bad.
But so was Trent Edwards.
He isn't as bad as what was seen last year, but he isn't the kind of guy we need here. We have one of those. We have TWO of those. We need either a young phenom to take over, or we need a solid veteran who is ready to step in. Edwards is neither of those.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Wow, Brownies are you trying to get folks to not like you or pay attention to you? I noticed you replied to yourself in that last post.......nice.
Whatever you have to say about football is not going to go over well if you keep up this touchy little kid type of attitude. But hey it's a free country......act however you'd like.
Edwards is a bum. Quinn may be a bum. Neither is likely the answer. Out of the two of them, I'd stick with Quinn this year with better personal and see what happens. Just my opinion though. We'lll see.
Touchy little kid type of attitude ? Sorry for being fed up with mediocrity ? Which is what you will get with Quinn no matter WHO you put around him IMO .
Tell ya what, I'll buy you a home AND away Quinn jersey if he even has a respectable year next season , the requirements being 55% + and more TD than INT / fumbles lost combined .
People these days . I swear .
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No, I think it was Heiden and Ray Lewis was all over him before the ball got there.
It was driving me crazy. I wanted to see how good my memory was so I looked it up.
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A 2-point conversion gave Baltimore a 20-13 lead, but Jeff Garcia brought the Browns (3-5) to the Ravens 5 before a pass deflected off Aaron Shea into Reed's arms. Reed then took off down the right sideline and reached the end zone with 26 seconds left.
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I haven't been on in a while , so I don't claim to have any in depth knowlege or new information....That said my opinion is this : Holmgren will make this team his own , that way the accountability will also be his own....At QB , Holmgren could if inclined have an impact on Quinn's career simliar to what he did for Favre(** This doesn't mean that IMO Quinn with Holmgren = Favre with Holmgren)....He would however have a Definite Positive impact on Quinn , if he decides to go in that direction and than move Anderson and sign a veteran Backup....** Holmgren could however decide to acquire a solid veteran QB such as Hasselbeck and than either draft a later Rd. QB to groom....What I don't want us to do is select another QB in Rd. 1 and in turn being starting ALL over again at QB....Our whole right side of our OL should be upgraded....Harrison is decent at RB but more depth is needed....** IMO Mark Ingram has Ron Dayne written ALL over him....We Should Beware !  ....Our Wrs could use added depth due to the loss of Edwards , but they too will perfom better as our QB situation improves....Finally , I am Really surprised that our Offensive Coordinator was retained  ....He Definitely better step it up in 2010.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Browns Offense Ranked....32nd Browns Defense Ranked....31st Browns Special Teams Ranked....1st - It Goes Without Saying....Pay Cribbs !!  ....
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Brady is not a starter... they will play that game that he is because he keeps on getting lucky by not getting exposed. So they will give him a shot in the preseason.. But I think we will get an old QB for 2 years as we figure out something to do.
With Brady's arm strength and not being able to hit WR in stride... he will never be more then a 2nd string QB.
so we will get an Old QB or maybe one our new guys know is good and steal him from someone.
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the only vets that would do anything on this team are those who are already starting on others, with the exception of Mike Vick.
Favre- Vikings
Hasselback - Seahawks
McNabb - Eagles
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