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QB - Quinn / DA , Ratliff (I really wanted to put McNabb but it will probably cost too many picks, making some of the other picks impossible)
LT - Thomas
LG - Steiny
C - Mack
RG - Logan Mankins (signed, NWE)
RT - Sam Young (drafted, ND)
TE - Evan Moore, Robert Royal, Tony Moeaki (drafted, IOWA)
WR - Mo Mass, Kevin Walter (signed, HOU), Robiskie, Stallworth, Stuckey
RB - Harrison, Davis, Blount / Gerhart (drafted, goal-line / short distance back)
FB - Vickers
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LE - Corey Williams / Smith
NT - Shaun Rogers / Athyba Rubin
RE - Kenyon Coleman
LOLB - Matt Roth
ROLB - Kam Wimbley
ILB - DQ
ILB - Rolando McClain (drafted, ALA)
CB - Eric Wright
CB - Javier Arenas (drafted, ALA)
FS - Brodney Pool (if he somehow manages to stay in the game)
SS - Abe Elam
Nickel Back - Brandon McDonald
K - Dawson
P - Zastudil
KR / PR / WR / Wildcat Extraordinaire - Cribbs
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i read the entire "dream team" and then got to eric berry.. and said "yea he is dreaming".. lol.
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Unless we give up a 1st and a 3rd for Mankins, that's not gonna happen.
Shoot, you're right he is going to be a RFA .
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i read the entire "dream team" and then got to eric berry.. and said "yea he is dreaming".. lol.
And how is it out of the questions that St. Louis, Detroit, Tampa, Washington, KC, and Seattle would draft to fit other needs ?
People fall in the draft every year, and this is not much of a "fall" to seven .
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How could any Browns fan's dream team include Robert Royal?
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It's not out of the question. It's just highly unlikely that at least four teams that need a safety will pass on one of the top 3 players in the draft. Who plays safety.
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How could any Browns fan's dream team include Robert Royal?
Because he is going to be with this team next year and I said within reason ?
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The BEST never fall...
Some say Berry is a better draft pick Suh...
I say Rams go QB...
Lions SHOULD go LT, but may not even though their Shaun Rogers history. They need to protect Stafford.
Bucs will go Defense, and if the Lions take Suh, the Bucs will take Berry.
But for the sake of your argument, lets say they pick someone else.
Next are the Redskins.. They should draft a QB, but really don't have too this early. If not, the pick would be Berry or a LT.
Chiefs have Pioli in charge.. could go tackle... but probably go defense.
Seahawks have Pete Carroll now. They have two first round picks... Really wouldn't be surprised if he took Berry with the 6th (if available), and Taylor Mays with the 14th.. lol.. That would be cool.
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It's not out of the question. It's just highly unlikely that at least four teams that need a safety will pass on one of the top 3 players in the draft. Who plays safety.
Definitely , that's why it is a dream to land Berry now, as opposed to just over a month ago . I can live with Elam at SS if everything else minus Mankins happens (all in the realm of possibility)
If that would happen, I will swap out Spikes (we would have traded up for him) and replace him with McClain .
I'd be perfect with that too :]
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Within reason, huh?  I'd like to see a list of that rookie class (as in where you think we get those players)...  Dream on....
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Within reason, huh?
I'd like to see a list of that rookie class (as in where you think we get those players)...
Dream on....
Sure, I'll remove Berry from this just for everyone and again replace him with McClain ILB, so we have Elam at SS .
Oh before I forget, we would have packaged picks to move up and get Spikes .
Anyways,
1st round - McClain
2nd round - Arenas
3rd round - Young
3rd round - Gerhart
4th round - Moeaki
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1st round - McClain
2nd round - Arenas
3rd round - Young
3rd round - Gerhart
4th round - Moeaki
Nice, so you removed your 1st 2 picks that had no chance to take McClain at 7 and Arenas at 39?...I like both but would  if we would take an ILB at 7 and an undersized, slow #2 to nickel CB-project at 39
I'll give you a pass though since it was your 1st try 
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1st round - McClain
2nd round - Arenas
3rd round - Young
3rd round - Gerhart
4th round - Moeaki
Nice, so you removed your 1st 2 picks that had no chance to take McClain at 7 and Arenas at 39?...I like both but would if we would take an ILB at 7 and an undersized, slow #2 to nickel CB-project at 39
I'll give you a pass though since it was your 1st try
I forgot, you work in the NFL 
You wouldn't want to take McClain ? Out of your mind . He is what this defense needs .
Arenas is SLOW ? 
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I'll do mine:
QB: Jason Campbell - Quinn
RB: Jerome Harrison - Chris Jennings (this is weak)
FB: Lawrence Vickers
WR: Malcolm Floyd - Mohammed Massaquoi - Brian Robiskie
TE: Evan Moore
LT: Joe Thomas
LG: Eric Steinbach
C: Alex Mack
RG: Jon Asomoah - Rex Hadnot
RT: Pork Chop - Ciron Black
DE: Shaun Rogers - Corey Williams
NT: Ahtyba Rubin - Shaun Rogers
DE: Kenyon Coleman - Robaire Smith
OLB: Jerry Hughes - Kamerion Wimbley
ILB: D'Qwell Jackson
ILB: Micah Johnson
OLB: Matt Roth
FS: Eric Berry
CB: Eric Wright
CB: Dunta Robinson
SS: Abe Elam
I got bored with doing backups about midway through.
Draft (I tried to be as realistic as possible; and in my mock, we do take Berry):
1. Eric Berry S Tennessee
2. Jerry Hughes OLB TCU
3a. Riley Cooper WR Florida
3b. Jon Asomoah OG Illinois
4. LeGarrette Blount RB Oregon
5a. Ciron Black OT LSU
5b. Micah Johnson LB Kentucky
5c. Dan LeVevour QB Central Michigan
I'm not even gonna bother with the rest.
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I'd take McClain at 7 and be happy..
But there are better corners than Arenas in the 2nd..
Brandon Ghee of Wake Forest comes to mind.
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I'll do mine:
QB: Jason Campbell - Quinn
RB: Jerome Harrison - Chris Jennings (this is weak)
FB: Lawrence Vickers
WR: Malcolm Floyd - Mohammed Massaquoi - Brian Robiskie
TE: Evan Moore
LT: Joe Thomas
LG: Eric Steinbach
C: Alex Mack
RG: Jon Asomoah - Rex Hadnot
RT: Pork Chop - Ciron Black
DE: Shaun Rogers - Corey Williams
NT: Ahtyba Rubin - Shaun Rogers
DE: Kenyon Coleman - Robaire Smith
OLB: Jerry Hughes - Kamerion Wimbley
ILB: D'Qwell Jackson
ILB: Micah Johnson
OLB: Matt Roth
FS: Eric Berry
CB: Eric Wright
CB: Dunta Robinson
SS: Abe Elam
I got bored with doing backups about midway through.
Draft (I tried to be as realistic as possible; and in my mock, we do take Berry):
1. Eric Berry S Tennessee
2. Jerry Hughes OLB TCU
3a. Riley Cooper WR Florida
3b. Jon Asomoah OG Illinois
4. LeGarrette Blount RB Oregon
5a. Ciron Black OT LSU
5b. Micah Johnson LB Kentucky
5c. Dan LeVevour QB Central Michigan
I'm not even gonna bother with the rest.
I like this, I was going to go with Dunta in there too at CB but I'm not too sure about him after this season . Would still love to have him here though .
Replace Dunta with Javier on mine, and put Spikes back into the mix with our 2nd rounder, or we use that 2nd rounder to trade into the first to get Spikes , that'd be pretty nice as well .
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Ciron Black in the 5th? wow.I don't think he falls that far.
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Forgot about him. I was being pretty lazy if you didn't notice.
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He are the non-Berry options for teams above us.
Rams - Clausen (Possibly Suh)
Lions - Suh. (If Suh goes #1 then they go LT)
Bucs - McCoy (I hear they are very high on him)
Washington - Bradford (Or o-line help)
Chefs - Okung - they really need o-line help
Seattle - Many options including o-line, or Qb if one of the top 2 Qb's fall. If they do look for a safety don't be surprised if Carroll takes his boy Taylor Mays.
I agree that Berry falling to us is more dream than reality but not beyond reason.
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2. Jerry Hughes OLB TCU
3a. Riley Cooper WR Florida
3b. Jon Asomoah OG Illinois
4. LeGarrette Blount RB Oregon
5a. Ciron Black OT LSU
5b. Micah Johnson LB Kentucky
5c. Dan LeVevour QB Central Michigan
I'm not even gonna bother with the rest
Wow, would love that draft..but C.Black will be gone by the 4th, he's a 3rd at worst imho but will be picked in the 4th at the latest...insert Black in Asamoah's slot and I'd take that draft...also, I don't know if Micah Johnson will make it to the 5th but would love that to happen
Berry-Hughes combo would be killer...but probably is the absolute best case scenario from a value to needs standpoint. Both could easily go higher...
Like Cooper but I don't know if I would take a WR this high...that's why I'm still so  at us taking Robo and Massa last draft....we're basically handcuffed this draft...we need an upgrade at WR but another rookie just isn't a good fit....taking Cooper or any other WR in rounds 1-3 (even 4th) just clutters our roster with young WRs and 1 of them will bust by default...we need reliablity (read: a consistent vet) at this position....NOT another rookie...and it's a shame, since it's a fine WR-class...everytime I think about last year's 2nd round I find another argument as to why it was so uncredibad....most probably one the dumbest draft displays I ever had to witness (maybe Butcher giving up a high 2nd for 1 slot to take Winslow comes close...and Warren over Seymore WAS worse as a single decision)
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You wouldn't want to take McClain ? Out of your mind . He is what this defense needs .
You're quick, lol
We have DQ, Mangini drafted an ILB in round 2 and high round 4 last season, he signed Bowens and traded for Trusnik...if we HAVE to take an ILB at 7 he should be fired on the spot
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He is...quick isn't fast, you know? As I said...I like him...in round 3 or better 4 but absolutely NOT as top 50 pick, sorry
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You wouldn't want to take McClain ? Out of your mind . He is what this defense needs .
You're quick, lol
We have DQ, Mangini drafted an ILB in round 2 and high round 4 last season, he signed Bowens and traded for Trusnik...if we HAVE to take an ILB at 7 he should be fired on the spot
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He is...quick isn't fast, you know? As I said...I like him...in round 3 or better 4 but absolutely NOT as top 50 pick, sorry
4.45-4.5 is not fast ?
What is fast ? 4.1 ? Blahhhh . He will not be there in round 3, man .
As for the ILB sitch, we have DQ yes, that's a no brainer . Our defense runs with TWO ILB , as we both know . So why would you not want to have two elite players at the center of the that defense when given the opportunity ?
1 - Bowens is not the future
2 - Trusnik is a back up and special teamer .
3 - Maiva ... Special teamer with some upside
4 - Veikune ... enough said there we know absolutely nothing and won't know anything with him for atleast another season .
Come on now , you can't really think that Trusnik is our starter at ILB ?! Or the 33 years old Bowens ?!
Great depth, but if you don't think McClain could be the face of this defense, along with the play caller .. I don't get what you expect us to do at 7 that will be so much better ?
Who are we going to get at ILB within the next two years to fill the void if we were to pass on him ?
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I see you changed your sig...hmmm why is that?
Yes, because you can't waste a large part of your offseason resources on 1 position (ILB) just to realize that you need a Top 10 pick to make up for the wasted offseason...a 2nd round ILB is like a 2nd round G or C...they better start in year 2 or they're busts....to make things worse he follwed that up with Maiava in the 4th and Trusnik....and Bowens
Yes, if we take an ILB at 7 (whcih is gross enough to begin with) after THIS offseason, whoever is responsible for that offseason should be fired..
so, you can rest assured that we WON'T draft an ILB at 7
same goes with WR...he completely overhauled that position in the offseason...signed (Furrey) , traded (Stuckey) and drafted high (Robo, Massa)....if we take a WR in rounds 1 or 2...he deserves to be fired on the spot...he won't of course but Heckert and Holmgren will realize THEN that the guy is clueless
I actually was both disappointed an somewhat relieved when Holmgren said he didn't review film on Mangini's team yet...he will get sick to the stomach when he reviews that film and looks at Heckert's list of needs after Mangini's "work"
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I see you changed your sig...hmmm why is that?
Yes, because you can't waste a large part of your offseason resources on 1 position (ILB) just to realize that you need a Top 10 pick to make up for the wasted offseason...a 2nd round ILB is like a 2nd round G or C...they better start in year 2 or they're busts....to make things worse he follwed that up with Maiava in the 4th and Trusnik....and Bowens
Yes, if we take an ILB at 7 (whcih is gross enough to begin with) after THIS offseason, whoever is responsible for that offseason should be fired..
so, you can rest assured that we WON'T draft an ILB at 7
same goes with WR...he completely overhauled that position in the offseason...signed (Furrey) , traded (Stuckey) and drafted high (Robo, Massa)....if we take a WR in rounds 1 or 2...he deserves to be fired on the spot...he won't of course but Heckert and Holmgren will realize THEN that the guy is clueless
I actually was both disappointed an somewhat relieved when Holmgren said he didn't review film on Mangini's team yet...he will get sick to the stomach when he reviews that film and Heckert's list of needs after Mangini's "work"
So you believe that because we have some good depth at a position which Mangini put into place , but no starter, and a bad stretch for an ILB prospect drafted with little invested in him, we should not draft an immediate impact player for years to come at the position .. Makes sense
And who do you want us to take at 7 ? If it's not Haden then I really want what you're smoking .
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Look, you obviously don't get my point...I already said I like McClain but an ILB almost NEVER is worth a Top 10 pick an ANY team and sure as heck not on a team with still a dozen MAJOR needs thanks to an incompetent idiot ....not even Willis or Ray Lewis were Top 10 picks....
ILB like Cs or Gs are taken LATER than other positions because they have LESS value and impact and are easier to find later in drafts (not much of drop off to top guys)...if you don't get that basic draft knowledge it's pretty worthless to further discuss anything concerning the draft with you really
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Look, you obviously don't get my point...I already said I like McClain but an ILB almost NEVER is worth a Top 10 pick an ANY team and sure as heck not on a team with still a dozen MAJOR needs thanks to an incompetent idiot ....not even Willis or Ray Lewis were Top 10 picks....
ILB like Cs or Gs are taken LATER than other positions because they have LESS value and impact...if you don't get that basic draft knowledge it's pretty worthless to further discuss anything concerning the draft with you really
Okay ? So we trade down 3 or 4 spots and draft McClain, how about that .
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You're right, Patrick Willis was not a top 10 pick. He was 11th. Big difference there.
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Okay ? So we trade down 3 or 4 spots and draft McClain, how about that .
Most probabyl I'd still be unhappy because we have more urgent needs and because it means we most probably have passed on better value on positions of same (or even greater) need...and then it depends on the return of course
If we pass on Berry to take McClain ie, we should do a collective face palm...I'm pretty confident that Heckert isn't this dumb though....I think we are in good hands now on draft day
If we don't get Berry and can't or won't trade down (low return) just take the BPA at a position of need....and yes, this includes OT...there are some very fine ones there
Before you guys freak out, hear me out: At the moment we have 1 OT on this team: Thomas...StClair is a bum and should be cut since he isn't worth whatever he makes...we can thank god that Thomas never missed a game or games since he's been here because we didn't even field a competent RT...if we pick a OT we have filed a huge need (RT) AND finally have an insurance policy (viable backup) for Thomas....we just drafted a starter and top notch backup ...it's not my dream scenario...but if an OT is the BPA pick him and don't reach for other guys...
Heckert is a BPA guy in rounds 1+2, so I'm, again, confident he'd do that...and if yu think about it: why shouldn't he?
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You're right, Patrick Willis was not a top 10 pick. He was 11th. Big difference there.
That's what I'm saying .
Dude is trying to act like a know it all with the draft .. Who cares about 3 picks difference if he is not getting top 5 money ? We aren't going to invest ANOTHER large sum of money on the offensive line in the top 10 .
Also, everyone in the world knows we wouldn't pass up on Berry if he was there
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You're right, Patrick Willis was not a top 10 pick. He was 11th. Big difference there.
Look at the payers drafted from 7-11 every year...maybe then you'll understand
I'm tired of discussing pretty basic draft value stuff with you guys...you obviously don't get it...so let's shorten it up: put your mouth to your wallet or shut up
anyone wanna make a bet on either:
a) us taking McCLain OR ANY OTHER ILB at 7
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I'm in....I say we won't take him at 7 (or any other ILB) and he won't go Top 10....whoever feels confident on the opposite: contact me
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I've heard Black is falling like a rock. Think Alex Boone like.
I think KC is going to take McClain, but it's way too early to be making predictions like that. But I still say there is a good chance that Berry falls to the Browns. There are a lot of people mocking that right now.
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I dont know for sure ... but at this point I would LOVE McClain. At 7? Not sure ... the simple fact that the lions pick at 2, and the raiders could trade up a few spots ... and ANYTHING could change. If I could take anyone, it would probably be Berry (even over Suh) ... but if what they are saying based on athleticism, speed, intelligence and every other attribute are true ... I'd consider him at 7. If what they are saying about his maturity and ability to read defenses and understand coverages, reads, etc. because of his dedication in the film room are true, I would LOVE to have him at 7.
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You're right, Patrick Willis was not a top 10 pick. He was 11th. Big difference there.
Look at the payers drafted from 7-11 every year...maybe then you'll understand
I'm tired of discussing pretty basic draft value stuff with you guys...you obviously don't get it...so let's shorten it up: put your mouth to your wallet or shut up
anyone wanna make a bet on either:
a) us taking McCLain OR ANY OTHER ILB at 7
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b) McClain NOT GOING in the TOP 10 of the upcoming draft
I'm in....I say we won't take him at 7 (or any other ILB) and he won't go Top 10....whoever feels confident on the opposite: contact me
Betting on someone going or not going in the top 10 is not a fair bet in comparison to betting on an actual game between two teams, however I would definitely bet at least $100 he doesn't make it past 12
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Look at the payers drafted from 7-11 every year...maybe then you'll understand
Did, I see a couple of quality ILB taken at 10 and 11
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I'm not saying that we should take McClain or that he will go in the top 10.
I'm saying it's not a good argument to state Willis wasn't worthy of a top 10 pick. Because clearly, if he had enough potential to be drafted 11th, he also could have gone 10th.
For the record, as of right now, I agree with you that we shouldn't draft McClain unless these six guys are gone in front of him: Suh, Berry, McCoy (Gerald), Okung, Haden, and Price.
But, if our new front office, along with the coaching staff, determines that middle linebacker is an area of need and Rolando McClain can be a quality player along the lines of Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis. Then we should take him. I have my doubts that he is that good of a player. But I think you can agree, that if is a 100% slam dunk then we have to take him, right?
Also, I have stated in the past that my preference in the draft, especially a draft without hard slotting, is to trade back and get more picks plus a player who will make an equal amount of impact as one taken in the top 10.
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