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http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2010/senate_race/Democratic candidate Martha Coakley has conceded the US Senate race in a call to Republican Scott Brown Town-by-town results 92% reporting Complete results » Brown (GOP) 52% 1,062,322 votesCoakley (Dem.) 47% 949,660 votesKennedy (Lib.) 1% 20,410 votes This victory by Brown will give the GOP a crucial 41st vote in the Senate, allowing Republicans to filibuster any piece of legislation. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, ran on a pledge to help block the massive healthcare overhaul now in its final stages in Congress
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/60069 Obama 'Surprised and Frustrated' and 'Not Pleased' by Massachusetts Senate Race Tuesday, January 19, 2010 By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)(CNSNews.com) -- President Barack Obama is “surprised and frustrated” and “not pleased” with the Senate race that will conclude in Massachusetts today, White House Spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters during Tuesday’s press briefing. During the briefing, Gibbs fielded several questions about the special U.S. Senate election between Republican state Sen. Scott Brown and Democratic Attorney General Martha Coakly. Recent polls show the Republican Brown leading in the race to fill the seat long held by the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy. A reporter asked Gibbs: “Have you heard the president express surprise or frustration?” with regards to the Massachusetts race. “Yes. He’s both surprised and frustrated,” said Gibbs. The reporter followed: “Anything else? Angry?” “He’s not pleased,” said Gibbs. President Barack Obama. (AP Photo)Later in the briefing Gibbs was asked to specify at whom the president was angry. He declined to elaborate. On several occasions, Gibbs said he would wait until after the returns came in from Massachusetts to answer further questions on the election. Some of the reporters phrased their questions as if Brown had already won the race. Gibbs did say that the electorate is expressing a sense of anger that has been continuous since before the 2008 election that brought President Barack Obama into the White House. “There is a tremendous amount of upset and anger,” said Gibbs. “In many ways, we are here because of that upset and anger.”
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It's quite funny watching Chris Mathews squirm through this. He doesn't seem to have that warm fuzzy feeling running up his leg right now.
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I think this just goes to show that in the deepest dempcratic states with around a 3:1 ratio... The majority does not like what is happening with health care taxes govt spending and they want to stop it before it goes thru.
The people have spoken in what should have been an easy win for the Dem's...
IMO ObamaCare will not pass because the people don't want it and if The Prez and the dems keep forcing it down our throats... they will lose many many seats this fall
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_massachusetts_senateBOSTON – In an epic upset in liberal Massachusetts, Republican Scott Brown rode a wave of voter anger to win the U.S. Senate seat held by the late Edward M. Kennedy for nearly half a century, leaving President Barack Obama's health care overhaul in doubt and marring the end of his first year in office. The loss by the once-favored Democrat Martha Coakley in the Democratic stronghold was a stunning embarrassment for the White House after Obama rushed to Boston on Sunday to try to save the foundering candidate. Her defeat signaled big political problems for the president's party this fall when House, Senate and gubernatorial candidates are on the ballot nationwide. "I have no interest in sugarcoating what happened in Massachusetts," said Sen. Robert Menendez, the head of the Senate Democrats' campaign committee. "There is a lot of anxiety in the country right now. Americans are understandably impatient." Brown will become the 41st Republican in the 100-member Senate, which could allow the GOP to block the president's health care legislation and the rest of his agenda. Democrats needed Coakley to win for a 60th vote to thwart Republican filibusters. One day shy of the first anniversary of Obama's swearing-in, the election played out amid a backdrop of animosity and resentment from voters over persistently high unemployment, Wall Street bailouts, exploding federal budget deficits and partisan wrangling over health care. For weeks considered a long shot, Brown seized on voter discontent to draw even with Coakley in the campaign's final stretch. His candidacy energized Republicans, including backers of the grass-roots "tea party" movement, while attracting disappointed Democrats and independents uneasy with where they felt the nation was heading. A cornerstone of Brown's campaign was his promised vote against the health care plan. Though the president wasn't on the ballot, he was on many voters' minds. "I voted for Obama because I wanted change. ... I thought he'd bring it to us, but I just don't like the direction that he's heading," said John Triolo, 38, a registered independent who voted in Fitchburg. He said his frustrations, including what he considered the too-quick pace of health care legislation, led him to vote for Brown. But Robert Hickman, 55, of New Bedford, said he backed Coakley "to stay on the same page with the president." Even before the first results were announced, administration officials were privately accusing Coakley of a poorly run campaign and playing down the notion that Obama or a toxic political landscape had much to do with the outcome. Coakley's supporters, in turn, blamed that very environment, saying her lead dropped significantly after the Senate passed health care reform shortly before Christmas and after the Christmas Day attempted airliner bombing that Obama himself said showed a failure of his administration. Days before the polls closed, Democrats were fingerpointing and laying blame. Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said Coakley's loss won't deter his colleagues from continuing their practice of blaming George W. Bush's administration. "President George W. Bush and House Republicans drove our economy into a ditch and tried to run away from the accident," he said. "President Obama and congressional Democrats have been focused repairing the damage to our economy." Wall Street watched the election closely. The Dow Jones industrial average rose 116 points, and analysts attributed the increase to hopes the election would make it harder for Obama to make his changes to health care. That eased investor concerns that profits at companies such as insurers and drug makers would suffer. Across Massachusetts, voters who had been bombarded with phone calls and dizzied with nonstop campaign commercials for Coakley and Brown gave a fitting turnout despite intermittent snow and rain statewide. Secretary of State William Galvin, who discounted sporadic reports of voter irregularities throughout the day, predicted turnout ranging from 1.6 million to 2.2 million, 40 percent to 55 percent of registered voters. The Dec. 8 primary had a scant turnout of about 20 percent. Voters considered national issues including health care and the federal budget deficits. "We don't want health care just for the rich and the middle class. 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Boy, talk about getting biatch slapped right across the face .......
I have the feeling that there will be numerous Republican victories in the next round of election ..... not because the Republicans are overwhelmingly different and/or better .... but because the Democrats should change their name to the Bungle Party .... because they had absolute control ...... and bungled their own plans anyway. (Thank Goodness!)
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I'm not really glad that a republican won the seat, but I'm glad people are starting to care about whats been happening. An independent would have been nice but its a start.
I don't know if I speak for anyone else but I am glad the republicans are going to be able to stop this bill now. I do want healthcare reform, as I think the price and basically requirement to have health insurance if you need medical care is way out of control...but I do not want this bill. Its a bad bill that will only cause us more harm.
I just wish people wouldn't just vote the opposite party when they aren't happy. The republicans ran the country into the ground the 8 years they were in power and then we were promised change by the democrats. We gave them a chance only to find out they were lying and they're running the country even further into the ground. I just hope that everyone doesn't vote republican again and let them pick back up where they left off because they have short memories.
Now would be a pretty good time for a 3rd party to start up and start doing something, because right now republicans and democrats are both pretty much the same and are both terrible for this country. Probably wishful thinking though.
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Especially this. It goes to show that, no matter how many times the media likes to paint a false picture, the spirit of what's right, collectively, will always prevail when it matters.
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Best $50 I ever spent. And the first time I ever gave money to a politician. I take full credit for Scott Brown's vicotry.
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but we still need healthcare reform.. just not how it was being written.. just saying..
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Understood, and I'm all good with that; but putting a nail in the coffin of the crap that is in the Senate right now is far more important in the short term.
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Understood, and I'm all good with that; but putting a nail in the coffin of the crap that is in the Senate right now is far more important in the short term.
i am worried about the global warming bill than the healthcare... at least with the healthcare bill, there were benefits for americans.. the global warming bills not so much...
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this is really interesting...i wonder how far back to the right we swing....
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I honestly haven't paid them much mind yet... but I agree, hopefully they get shut down.
Wojo.... hopefully we simply swing to the Middle; but I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
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The whole healthcare system doesn't make sense.
Those of us who work for private companies are forced to get health insurance from a private health care provider. The health care provider is in business for the same reason as any other company - to make money.
How in the world can a money making enterprise be expected to act in the best interests of those who make the enterprise lose money?
I mean, think about it, any private health care provider is going to do everything they can to get your business and deny your claims.
Do they deny every claim? No.
Do they look for reasons to deny cliams? Yes.
Again, of course they're going to look for reasons to deny claims. Claims mean less money for the health insurance provider. - This system doesn't make sense to me.
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I second that, thank you voters of Massachusetts for getting out there and voting for what you believe in.
And great job Scott Brown. You stepped up to the plate and hit a home run. Tonight will be the most peaceful sleep i've had in awhile.
My day has been made tonight  , I like watching MSNBC and hearing what Rachel Maddow has to say now hehe
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You should have heard Olberwhiner after her. He called Brown everything from a teabagger to a liar to a pervert. He sure had his panties in a bunch coming up with underhanded theories as to how the health care bill can still be passed.
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He sure had his panties in a bunch coming up with underhanded theories as to how the health care bill can still be passed.
Seriously? The same guy who, a few weeks ago, said that he would rather go to prison than to participate in the new health insurance plan?
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It's a difficult one. One idea is true competition. Like what Peen was talking about when he suggested allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines. With more companies in the mix, people will have a bigger choice. May be with more competition and choices and information (like a ratemyisnurancecompany.com), people (and obviously businesses) can look into which insurance companies have a bad reputation and avoid them. Then companies would want to work with you to stay on good ground.
I'm sure there are plenty of other fine ideas. But this giant bill that the democrats are trying to force through is not a good idea. While the government tries to act in the best interest of the people, it is never really efficient. This healthcare plan, which nobody really knows what's in, will be a big mistake if it goes through. It's a huge bill.
We do need some good ideas though, and we do need to find a way to insure more americans so that we don't have so many people going to the emergency room when they should go to a regular doctor.
We could also cut down on these malpractice suits (which I am all for and is in the healthcare bill I believe), but that doesn't raise our costs THAT much
But just because the system isn't as good as we like doesn't mean we make it worse. I do understand what you're saying though. These are just ideas coming to my head................
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The whole healthcare system doesn't make sense.
Those of us who work for private companies are forced to get health insurance from a private health care provider. The health care provider is in business for the same reason as any other company - to make money.
How in the world can a money making enterprise be expected to act in the best interests of those who make the enterprise lose money?
I mean, think about it, any private health care provider is going to do everything they can to get your business and deny your claims.
Do they deny every claim? No.
Do they look for reasons to deny cliams? Yes.
Again, of course they're going to look for reasons to deny claims. Claims mean less money for the health insurance provider. - This system doesn't make sense to me.
I'll gladly listen to anybody who can make sense of it.
I makes perfect sense. You just have to look at it in the right context. The purpose of the health care system is not to deliver health care. The health care system exists to make money. Toyotas not in business to make cars, they are in business to make money. Samething.
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And for all the right wing vitriol about all things health care, I guess they're going to get the chance to really do something, really sink their teeth into it and come up with something revolutionary after mid terms next year when they win back the senate. All that talk of starting the health care process over again is bound to produce big results! Or is it more likely that nothing will happen? Anyone wanna place a bet? Let's retreat back to doing nothing! At least we've already done the math on that scenario and know when the whole shebang is going to collapse. In fact, lets go for another couple of rounds of deregulation, we could speed it up! Better yet, we could just let the corporate giants write some legislation of their own and make it look like we're trying to be constructive just like the prescription drug bill of 2003. Now that was a beautiful example of republican health care legislation!
One thing we all know is true. Victory is double edged sword. They want that big ol' crap sandwich back that was handed to Obama when he came into office? OK. Come this time next year, it's on them. They seem to know what they don't want, they've mastered the self righteous indignation and loud exhortations of "no, No, NO!" Ok guys, it's on you, you want the crap sandwich back, enjoy.
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And for all the right wing vitriol about all things health care, I guess they're going to get the chance to really do something, really sink their teeth into it and come up with something revolutionary after mid terms next year when they win back the senate. All that talk of starting the health care process over again is bound to produce big results! Or is it more likely that nothing will happen? Anyone wanna place a bet? Let's retreat back to doing nothing! At least we've already done the math on that scenario and know when the whole shebang is going to collapse. In fact, lets go for another couple of rounds of deregulation, we could speed it up! Better yet, we could just let the corporate giants write some legislation of their own and make it look like we're trying to be constructive just like the prescription drug bill of 2003. Now that was a beautiful example of republican health care legislation!
One thing we all know is true. Victory is double edged sword. They want that big ol' crap sandwich back that was handed to Obama when he came into office? OK. Come this time next year, it's on them. They seem to know what they don't want, they've mastered the self righteous indignation and loud exhortations of "no, No, NO!" Ok guys, it's on you, you want the crap sandwich back, enjoy.
LMAO!!! Obama took that crap sandwich and supersized it to record proportions. "Nothing" is much better that the garbage Obama, Pelosi and Reid are trying to cram down our throats. Here's a news flash for you.....Republicans aren't the only ones opposed to that POS healthcare plan that is wrong on so many levels. Why do they have to discuss it behind closed doors? Why do they have to bribe their own party members (with taxpayer dollars) to vote for it? Why do 60+ per cent of all Americans think it's a crock? Because people recognize it's a left wing attempt at the greatest power grab and taxpayer ripoff in history, that's why. Change we can believe in. 
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Anyone? Can anyone answer my question a couple posts above?
It's a difficult one. One idea is true competition. Like what Peen was talking about when he suggested allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines. With more companies in the mix, people will have a bigger choice. May be with more competition and choices and information (like a ratemyisnurancecompany.com), people (and obviously businesses) can look into which insurance companies have a bad reputation and avoid them. Then companies would want to work with you to stay on good ground.
I'm sure there are plenty of other fine ideas. But this giant bill that the democrats are trying to force through is not a good idea. While the government tries to act in the best interest of the people, it is never really efficient. This healthcare plan, which nobody really knows what's in, will be a big mistake if it goes through. It's a huge bill.
We do need some good ideas though, and we do need to find a way to insure more americans so that we don't have so many people going to the emergency room when they should go to a regular doctor.
We could also cut down on these malpractice suits (which I am all for and is in the healthcare bill I believe), but that doesn't raise our costs THAT much
But just because the system isn't as good as we like doesn't mean we make it worse. I do understand what you're saying though. These are just ideas coming to my head................
better competition will help maybe.. but there is a problem with what happens to the people who cannot afford health coverage? or those with pre-exisiting conditions that insurance companies won't touch with a ten foot pole.. After all insurance companies are in it for money and not actually in it to make people live healthier...
In the end, if the uninsured are getting treated, you end up paying for it in the end in some fashion anyways... But personally, I only have coverage because I get coverage through work.. I would not even be covered by any insurance if it wasn't getting covered through work.. if I change jobs, it's risky and expensive because then I'd have to pay for COBRA while I sit and wait to get covered at my new job.. which is what I'm doing now..
If I had a better safety net behind me, I could take larger risks to find a better job that paid more. But as it is now.. I'm stuck where i'm at.. not that it's a bad place... but I would like to be able to support my family better. Though come May, I won't be paying for COBRA which will help.. but pre-existing conditions blow if you go out and try to get insurance.
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While you are correct in saying that republicans are not the only people who are against this bill, can you honestly say their motives for it are the good of the American people after witnessing what they've done this decade? I think they're doing it because they see it as an opportunity to get the power back.
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While you are correct in saying that republicans are not the only people who are against this bill, can you honestly say their motives for it are the good of the American people after witnessing what they've done this decade? I think they're doing it because they see it as an opportunity to get the power back.
Perhaps they're doing it for both reasons? Regardless.....that healthcare plan the libs are trying to ram through is nothing more than a very costly power grab. One dem strategist said tonight that they have to pass a bill at any cost or the party will lose face.....and along with it a lot of their support. Bush and the republicans screwed up big time when they had the power....now the dems are taking it to a new level.
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One thing we all know is true. Victory is double edged sword. They want that big ol' crap sandwich back that was handed to Obama when he came into office? OK. Come this time next year, it's on them. They seem to know what they don't want, they've mastered the self righteous indignation and loud exhortations of "no, No, NO!" Ok guys, it's on you, you want the crap sandwich back, enjoy.
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I've been listening to Scott Brown,, smart guy,, could be a presidential candidate down the road. I like him and his thinking.. well, what I've heard of him anyway.. (there may or may not be skeltons in the closet,,dunno but I don't think so)
I'd vote for him I believe....
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Someone sounds bitter.
Kinda like most of you guys last year at this time.......
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Someone sounds bitter.
Kinda like most of you guys last year at this time.......
yes, because we all knew we would end up where we are...
taxes taxes lies more of the same lies bribes closed door deals and someone with no experience and had no business being president.
I personally wanted Clinton... Obama just rode the perfect wave to the White House and now the wave is crashing down. The only problem with all of this is that we have to suffer thru another 3 years of crap. Hopefully evening out the power will slow him down and get the economy going because business will not be so scared of what tax is next.
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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better competition will help maybe.. but there is a problem with what happens to the people who cannot afford health coverage? or those with pre-exisiting conditions that insurance companies won't touch with a ten foot pole.. After all insurance companies are in it for money and not actually in it to make people live healthier...
Well gee...why don't we just let every insurance company go bankrupt and go out of business just so everyone can afford a cheap healthcare regardless of any pre-existing risks....
I agree there need to be some regulation or reform in the insurance industry...especially along the lines of increased competition, monitoring of business practices and such......But to hate on them for their reluctance to take on high risk people for peanuts????
This is not a charity. They often pay out far more than they take in in premiums for those patients, regardless of how high those premiums are. To do what you are implying would put these companies out of business within months. Forget profits or the greed most automatically point to....what about all of the jobs that would be lost that these companies provide? Progressive is one of the largest employers over here in North East Ohio....
We wouldn't force them to offer an incredibly low auto insurance rate to a person who has 6 crashes in the last 2 months and 12 over the past year...
Now like I said...I do think there needs to be some reform.....My mother in law is perfectly healthy. But due to a misdiagnosis that is a part of her permanent chart. She is considered a high risk for Heart Attack by the Insurance Industry. Which means she is paying loads of money every month in premium. Despite several doctors confirming after the fact that she is not high risk by any means and that the previous condition and diagnosis was in error...the Insurance industry does not budge. I think there is room for reform there. I think there is room for reform where a person has paid into an insurance plan for years and then is dropped because a condition arises. Well isn't that why they were paying into the plan all this time???
There are plenty more areas of reform....but you cannot just expect the insurance industry to become a charity organization and offer cheap insurance to every Tom, Dick, and Jane regardless of of any pre-existing conditions....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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Thanks goes out to all the Massachusetts Voters!
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