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Aside from the fact that we re-signed him for too much $ ... he still is a quarterback with all the physical tools necessary, but needs some time and mental work (as well as a decent supporting cast). If you are telling me you would rather bet your team on a guy like Trent Dilfer to make a playoff and superbowl run, or a guy like Kerry Collins over DA.... oh well - thats a side though.
Point is: what do you think we could get for D.A.? Yes he would need some work in a new system ... but he does have an arm and youth over most of the FA quarterbacks this year. As I see Brett Favre hit the turf over and over ... I am just thinking "Would a team like Minnesota call and give us a 3rd or 4th rounder for this guy?"
Thoughts on his value? Or do we straight up cut him?
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He has no trade value. Nobody will want to take on the $7m+ he's due in salary and $2m in bonus. Nobody.
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He has no trade value. Nobody will want to take on the $7m+ he's due in salary and $2m in bonus. Nobody.
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Well, not that it would be the best thing, but there are ways around the monetary situations. From what I have read we could do many things such as paying part of it, restructuring his deal, etc. I already realize his current deal isn't attractice for anyone, but I'm asking ASIDE from the contract situation.
Would anyone in the whole NFL be willing to try a trade for this guy?
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I don't think there is an "aside from the contract situation". The fact is that he has a contract and anyone we trade to inherits that contract, and the associated cap value.
The only thing that may help is that 2010 looks to be an uncapped year - so maybe some desperate team offers up a future future conditional pick for him, but I'd wager against that considering there are likely 32 teams in the league that expect the Browns to cut him.
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If we get more than a seventh for him I would be surprised.
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If we get more than a seventh for him I would be surprised.
When we acquire a new QB he is most likely a cut as next year with no salary cap it makes it easy to cut players who are under performing. Most NFL execs with half a brain will realize that.
The only caveat to that is he a team doesn't feel like trying to acquire him as a FA and just wants to trade for him with a 7th round pick.
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I too would think his trade value is zero. His contract is too high for a QB who isn't starting material. I would be very surprised if we don't cut him. I do think somebody will pick him up for depth (at a much lower price), however.
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His trade value will be set if he is ever traded. Till then all the talk is just peeing into a strong wind.
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He has no trade value. Nobody will want to take on the $7m+ he's due in salary and $2m in bonus. Nobody.
Exactly.
If we didn't owe a 7 mil bonus in March we might be able to discuss value, but with that, teams will wait for us to pay it before they discuss trade or just let him go and then sign him as a FA.
The only value he brings to the team is any value the FO sees him having by being a member of the team.
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It was a serious nonaction mistake to trade him when his value was still somewhat relevant. Now, we would be fortunate to get a draft pick.
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Phil was too concerned about image.. who cares if Dallas was going to use DA to try to leapfrog in the draft?
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It was a serious nonaction mistake to trade him when his value was still somewhat relevant. Now, we would be fortunate to get a draft pick.
I'm not so sure. He started some games this year. We would have been even more totally screwed than usual had we not had him on the roster. Besides, who would have traded for that contract? Pretty soon it'll be time to cut him and move on.
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Said before..Dallas wanted to deal for DA.
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They were going to flip him to someone to move up in the draft, IIRC, Who was that? And who did Dallas want?
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They were going to flip him to someone to move up in the draft, IIRC, Who was that? And who did Dallas want?
dallas wanted to flip DA to Miami so they could draft Darren McFadden (according to various media outlets).
Instead, they stood pat and drafted Felix Jones who has been better in the NFL anyway (though he has a better OL and McFadden has been hampered by injuries...even more than Felix).
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DA's trade value depends on DA.
if he is willing to renegotiate his contract as part of the trade (giving him another chance to compete to be the starter perhaps being his incentive....like Buffalo), then he might be able to give us a conditional 2011 pick based on what he does there (# of starts, % of snaps et cetera).
if he wants to play the FA market himself (get cut, then sign whereever), then his trade value goes down because as mentioned, his contract is not in line with his recent play.
why would another team trade for DA? because they don't want to have to take the chance another team snaps him up and the FA market for veteran QBs is extremely weak this year.
why would DA renegotiate his contract on a trade? this is a bit stickier....if he feels he will get released anyway, then he has little incentive unless he feels the other team will be more willing to give him a chance at the starting gig because they gave up something for him (the feeling of being wanted does play a part....and compensation somtimes can even if it shouldn't). it would have to be a pretty good deal though with incentives factored in.
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Like others have said. None. No one is going to want his contract and why trade for him when you know the Browns are going to cut him and then you can get him on a cheaper contract.
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at this point he has negative value
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He's nothing more than a journeyman throw-in for another trade. He has not value unto himself.
If the rumors are true that Savage was once offered a 1 & 3 for him, someone needs to go down to Alabama and smack the hell outta him for not taking that deal.
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At this point..he is right.
I said DA was worth a 5th rounder last year..and was blasted for being a homer...that DA was easily worth a 2nd round pick.
I see no one giving anything more than a 7th now....and Ill be honest...I don't see anyone giving that either....
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1) Keep him because Holmgren feels he can teach him the QB spot
2) Cut him because of his salary/play
Every year since his "pro bowl" year...I have been saying trade him now...his value will never be higher than right now......and he has "valued" himself almost right out of the league.
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Box of wine and some canned cheese. Maybe. Sorry D.A., you're inability to develop your skills to the point where you can make even the most basic short throws has boned you. Perhaps take up Javelin throwing. 
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i'm not even sure he is worth the cost of the long distance phone call to broker a trade.....
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Only if you have free long distance calling.  I suspect he will be released because of his contract.
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more like a bottle of wine and a cucumber
I have a few different wines in the cellar collection that are rather expensive and rare.
Stick to a box of wine.
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Aside from the fact that we re-signed him for too much $ ... he still is a quarterback with all the physical tools necessary, but needs some time and mental work (as well as a decent supporting cast). If you are telling me you would rather bet your team on a guy like Trent Dilfer to make a playoff and superbowl run, or a guy like Kerry Collins over DA.... oh well - thats a side though.
Point is: what do you think we could get for D.A.? Yes he would need some work in a new system ... but he does have an arm and youth over most of the FA quarterbacks this year. As I see Brett Favre hit the turf over and over ... I am just thinking "Would a team like Minnesota call and give us a 3rd or 4th rounder for this guy?"
Thoughts on his value? Or do we straight up cut him?
Sure he as trade value.. I am sure if we threw in some other guys, someboday would take DA.. 
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DA has ZERO trade value... unless the NFL host its own version of cash4clunkers. Even without the contract obligation, DA would at best be a back up, but I don't think he's ready to admit that. JMHO
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You mean a box of wine.
my bad.
You can actually use the bottle to re-fill later.
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I agree with the people who said he has NEGATIVE trade value, because he does. His contract and especially his bonus means we would probably have to throw other people into a deal, just to get them to take his salary off our hands.
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Exactly. He was just trying to save face and it cost him dearly.
To be honest, at the time I was mildly pleased that our GM didn't let the "big boys" pull a fast one on him and make him look like a dope. But now, after the fact it was a big mistake in the overall scheme of things.
He could have gotten what he wanted and never mind what Jones did with it. Instead, he failed to attain his goal by letting things that didn't really matter dictate to him. That left him with far more egg on his face than the Dallas leapfrogging him in the draft.
To make matters worse, since he turned down the deal with Dallas it made him have to look like he was doing the right thing, again saving face, by naming DA the undisputed starter going into '08. First you're willing to trade him, then you overpay him and make him the starter just to make it appear that it was your plan all along.
Phil did some very good wheeling and dealing but that issue was not one of them. In fact, it showed him to be the rookie he was afraid he would look like if the dealt with Dallas.
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DA as a tremendous value as a starter! Problem is, I don't think there is an arena football team out there that can afford him.
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I was on record here at the time saying the same thing....that they were more concerned about someone else doing something good with DA...and making them look like the blew it...than they were in trusting there own people..and making the team better.
The Packers did the same thing with Favre...they could have traded him to Minn....for much more than the Jets gave them....but they did not want to see him go to a rival and do well. (which happened anyway)...but they did not want him either....so much so they offered him 20 mill...to just not play....So they did not have to face the backlash.
If you don't think the QB can play...you trade him and make your team better.....period...bottom line...end of story....had DA gone on to be a multiple prob bowl QB...you could say...well at least we got BLANK and BLANK for him.....if he bombs....all you can say is...we were wrong...we shoulda coulda woulda.
DA was a rookie QB showing up in camp on time from being off the roster.....then one great season away from being a Star!.......the coaches knew what he was...then thought...uh...maybe we were wrong.....then he proved them right....but then it was...well is he that first guy we did not like....that second guy we all loved...or that 3rd guy that we really did not like again?
Bottom line...you do not worry about what anyone else is doing...you go out and try to make your own team better every day....and the rest will fall where it may
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