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Why would the Ravens draft a first round QB the very next year IF Smith had all of these great attributes you claim? The NCAA is not the NFL. Pro personnel understand this.
If your claim holds water, it would be your opinion that the Ravens totaly wasted a first round draft pick the very next year when they had the very QB they needed for their future.
That theory holds no water imo. Sorry if I put more trust in the Ravens staff than I do your opinion of what you saw him do at OSU. Their track record in drafting far outweighs your man crush of Troy Smith we've all seen fully evident over the years here.
Many great college QB's simply don't translate in the NFL. I too am an OSU fan. I expected Smith to go possibly in the third round while you looked at him as a first round pick.
The Ravens saw him as a thirdf round pick and as a back-up. Which is why he was drafted in the third round with their franchise QB drafted the very next year. They actually trade4d down to the 26th pick thinking Flacco would be there and had to trade back up to the 18th pick to get him. That's a lot of work to aquire a QB you don't even need isn't it?
Because if all these amazing attributes you claim were true, the Ravens staff are morons and wasted that first round draft pick to aquire a QB they never needed in the first place.
And BTW- The flu doesn't last forever. If Smith was so great, he would have been the starter when he got well. Obviously the Ravens didn't see so much in Smith that they made a change in QB's after Smith got well.
But I understand just how overated you have Smith and no ammount of common sense and logic can change your mind.
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Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
2) the Qb spot gets put on this pedestal, and there is this mold of a perfect "QB".. and it ALWAYS has to do with fundamentals. ALWAYS!! Not to make this a white vs. black thing, but it is very rare that a black QB plays how the scouts wants them to play, ie step back in the pocket, and throw the ball perfect.
For whatever reason, there is like a 80% chance that if they have just a little speed, they will be asked to switch positions either to WR/HB. Why? It makes no sense to me.
Give me a QB that can throw the ball and run the ball, and I'm happy. Smith can do both. Randall Cunningham did it. Mike Vick did it. McNabb did it. Vince Young is DOING it. and Smith could POSSIBLY do the same.
The QB spot IMO is similar to what basketball use to be. For the longest, basketball was about being fundamentally sound, until the "athleticism" came into the league and the fundamentals got overshadowed.
Now there is talks of an ALL WHITE basketball league to bring fundamentals back.
Quote: where or when you are drafted means nothing...
Do yourself a favor. Break down what round all starting NFL QB's in todays game were drafted. FAR more of them were drafted in the first round than in any other round.
More starters drafted in the first round or second round? More starters drafted in the first round or the third round? And so on................
To a degree you make a point. It's not impossible for a QB drafted in the third round to be a success. It's not impossible for a QB who was a walk on to be succerssfull.
But you need to strongly look at the odds and look at the calculated risk of such things. Soon you will see the odds are most certainly against you.
Bernie didn't play according to the model of the "perfect QB". No mobility and his throwing motion. So it's not a black thing. Pulease.
Was McNabb drafted in the third round? How about Vick? Wonder why they weren't but smith was? Did you ever stop to think about that one? Could it be the talent level and potential maybe? Just maybe? lol
Could Smith possibly become an NFL starter? POSSIBLY? Yes possibly. I could possibly hit the lottery too. I admit Smiths odds are better than me hitting the lottery though. lol
The fact is, if you have a QB with every tabgible to be your franchise QB, you don't draft one in the first round the very next year. You give that a year or two to play itself out first. To not do so? That would just be foolish. So you can make it a black thing if you wish. But the fact remains that if Troy Smith was another Donavon McNabb or another Michael Vick, Flacco would never have been drafted. He just isn't.
With the NFL salary cap I still trust NFL coaching staffs and scouting squads over OSU homers and people trying to twist it into a race issue. Far more validity in my sources. lol
But that's what this board is turning into and why so many have left. People don'y want to deal with real football issues and the reality of things. Sad really.......
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
The point is that you don't make a heavy investment in "solid compared to Quinn and Anderson" ...... when that "solid" consists of an average of 30 passes per year for his career.
Smith has 3 years in the league, so he'll be a restricted free agent no matter what happens with the CBA. Now you add in draft pick compensation in addition to monetary considerations ..... and the cost likely becomes prohibative.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Well...that's that. MH would never give up a pick or a trade for him. Baltimore will probably cut him now. Why would they keep a guy who doesn't want to be there? I can't believe that anyone would give up anything important for him. Although, supposedly, Buffalo is interested.
So, if Baltimore cuts him, what's to keep him from walking into camp and asking for a shot ?? The "waiver" wire ? If he's cut, we don't have to "compensate."
I'm neither for or against Smith, however he has shown a little more than Quinn or Anderson.
That being said, I'd rather not trade for him, especially if it has to involved draft picks...but that's just me.
He's thrown 89 NFL pases in 3 seasons, and completed 53% of them. That's not showing anything at all.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: RFA? OK make him an offer. I'm very generous with Randys money. Three things might happen and two of them are good. We get him and hes at least competent. The Rats match and it costs them money. We get him and he sucks. I can't believe he'd be much worst than the 65 yds per game QBs we got now.
Agreed.
Of course I am the complete Buckeye / Browns homer. Last kid to get a Buckeye scholarship becomes a college football star via talent, determination and will. Same kid "comes home" to his boyhood favorite pro team to lead them to the promise land.
Other than Drew Brees, how many 6' or less QBs have taken their team to the Super Bowl in the past decade?
How about won a playoff game?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I can't think of anyone else off the top of my head and don't feel like looking up every QB's height, but Brees is a pretty good one if someone wants to say Troy is too short...
Joe Thomas made Justin Timberlake change his name. He didn't want wusses to have the same initials...
The point is that the odds of a QB being successful in the NFL diminish along with his height.
Unless that QB is really special, teams will crush the middle of the pocket and he won't be able to throw over them.
Drew Brees, Doug Flutie and to an extent Michael Vick are guys who succeeded despite their height. There aren't too many others who have.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: The point is that the odds of a QB being successful in the NFL diminish along with his height.
Unless that QB is really special, teams will crush the middle of the pocket and he won't be able to throw over them.
Drew Brees, Doug Flutie and to an extent Michael Vick are guys who succeeded despite their height. There aren't too many others who have.
Let's be honest here, theres not really a height difference between lineman in college and the NFL, If it wasn't a problem in college it shouldn't be in the NFL and in college it definately wasn't a problem for Troy Smith.
The Saints blocking scheme seems to open up channels for Brees to throw through.
Hey, if Troy is our QB and he takes us to the Bowl then great. But, height is a big issue no matter how we try to spin it. This seems like it will be another two years of us arguing about the quarterback. For once it would be nice to just get it right.
Are those of you who are saying that he has a good arm and is accurate trying to make a comparison between the two? If Troy can throw the ball that accurately, executes that quickly, and is that smart, then by all means lets reel him in.
The fact that every so often a guy without even a High School education can start and run a successful company doesn't make that the path to success.
When you go back almost 20 years to find the exception ... it pretty much proves the rule rather than disproving it.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Troy Smith is not the answer he is a backup QB. We need aQB that is above average and he is not. You would call me an OSU homer. He was a very good college QB. Just can't see him being the answer.
I am not sure he would be the long term answer, one thing I am sure of is I would be all for not having to sit through another year of embarrassing offense. I am not expecting a "shock the world season" next year, but it can't be worse than this one. JMHO but I am pretty confident he could beat out Quinn or DA. Considering the crop of vet QB's available, I don't think it would be a bad idea.
If it wasn't gonna set us back a lot I would go for it, but for the first time in a long time I will trust in the new regime's decision.
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