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Until the Browns start winning, they should be bagged upon.
You may not like to hear what he has to say, but if you want some positive press, improvement is required.
4-12, 6-10, 5-11 does not constitute recent sucess.
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If it comes to pass that Romeo is gone after this year, and Rex Ryan is hired, all I can say is that worse things could happen,,, he's a pretty good coach,,
but I have my doubts on the whole thing.. I think RAC and Phil get another year beyond this one.. One caviat, if the team completely comes apart,, if it appears that the "wheels have come off", then yeah, I see changes,,, lots of changes.
From a purely human stand point, RAC appears to be one heck of a decent guy and I don't want that to happen to him,,,
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While there are a few innaccuracies in this story,what do you expect the media to do? Give rave reviews to a team that's flopping miserably? To get respect,you have to earn respect.
And I don't see any indication that this team has.
How is it some of you guys say it?????
"It's all about keeping it REAL."
I can't agree with this statment becuase it's just not true. ESPN and all those analysts aren't suppose to be on here thinking, "well Cleveland hasn't earned my respect yet, so I'm going to make stuff up and talk a lot about how this team is in the dumps." Claytons job is to talk facts and relate those facts to a solid knowledgable opinion.
But what he ACTUALLY did was make a lot of crap up (Braylon Edwards off the field issues, Lerners unhappiness and itchy trigger finger for firings) and has matched that up with unintelligent opinions that he's come up with. In essence he is doing the opposite of what his job entales.
I can't even believe some of the stuff he's said, he should probably take his turkey neck chicken talk to lifetime because he's not doing any knowledgable sports fan any good talking on ESPN. 
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But what he ACTUALLY did was make a lot of crap up (Braylon Edwards off the field issues, Lerners unhappiness and itchy trigger finger for firings) and has matched that up with unintelligent opinions that he's come up with. In essence he is doing the opposite of what his job entales.
Actually, you are the one making things up.
---Leon does have off the field issues. His teammates can't stand him and even RAC said he needs to learn to be a team player.
---Junior has fired a ton of people in his short time here. Name ONE owner who has fired more people.
---What else did he say that was so unintelligent? The Browns won 4 games. They went winless in the division. They are drafting 3rd.....again! They were at the bottom of the league in running the ball and stopping the run. In fact, they were at the bottom of the league in almost every category.
Then we have others making the stupid ass chicken little statement and saying Clayton is our leader. Well, how much lower can the sky get? And I know for SURE I could kick his punk ass!
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Cowher is a burn out. Frankly he should win worst coach of the year honors. I have always been a fan of Cowher but man he drew a paycheck for nothing this year and all the red zone passing was absurd.
LOL.........I take it you didn't watch Cowher's practices on the NFL network. The guy is the most passionate coach in the league. Saying he drew a paycheck is the most bizarre thing you have ever said. And talking about abusrd.........I didn't realize that Cowher was calling the offensive plays this year. Quit making [censored] up.
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If Romeo goes and Phil stays, Rex Ryan will be the next coach of the Browns. Randy likes him and Phil spent most of his time at Alabama yapping with him. I was surprised we didnt hire him this year.
That's the ticket. Fire and hire more coaches. It really has been a successful strategy thus far, hasn't it?
We keep changing coaches and overhauling schemes and never have the right talent, and then you guys wonder why the national media thinks we stink. 
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(Braylon Edwards off the field issues
Could he be referring to BE taking a helicopter to MI before a game.....and about BE talking negative TEAM issues to the press?
I dont know...but those are the few things I remember.
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hack,,,I wasn't all that aware of the TEAM negativity,,, but the helocopter ride to Columbus is probaly what he's refering to,,,,I had forgotten about that
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...And there's possibly more that we don't hear about.
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General reply: No more dissing the media. They've been right about us and we've snubbed our noses at them calling them ignorant and stupid. As far as I'm concerned, they're right until proven otherwise.
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I actually had quite a lot of respect for thre guy until this.
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Until what....he tells the truth??
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That was the wrong thing to say. Not so mush as respect, but I thought he favored the Browns a little bit. But I guess he is pretty fair in his assesment after all.
Now its guys like sean salisbury that get under my skin.
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...And there's possibly more that we don't hear about.
Yes, there is.
Additionally, telling coaches and teammates to F-off when they are trying to help him at practice, being late for meetings and practices--who the hell can be 2 hours late for a practice?--disrespecting the organization, his coaches, and teammates in the press, and ignoring team rules, are all issues that are OFF the field. And it's not like he doesn't have on-field issues.
Good pick, Phil and I love how you dealt w/Leon's problems.
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Kind of gets to that character "buzzword" I was talking about on another thread.
GMs like to use the word, but when push comes to shove, that whole theory gets tossed out the window more often than not.
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But what he ACTUALLY did was make a lot of crap up (Braylon Edwards off the field issues, Lerners unhappiness and itchy trigger finger for firings) and has matched that up with unintelligent opinions that he's come up with. In essence he is doing the opposite of what his job entales.
Actually, you are the one making things up.
---Leon does have off the field issues. His teammates can't stand him and even RAC said he needs to learn to be a team player.
---Junior has fired a ton of people in his short time here. Name ONE owner who has fired more people.
---What else did he say that was so unintelligent? The Browns won 4 games. They went winless in the division. They are drafting 3rd.....again! They were at the bottom of the league in running the ball and stopping the run. In fact, they were at the bottom of the league in almost every category.
Then we have others making the stupid ass chicken little statement and saying Clayton is our leader. Well, how much lower can the sky get? And I know for SURE I could kick his punk ass!
Versatile you are the epitamy of drama queen. It's actually quite funny to listen too. I haven't made anything up and if you like to talk as much as it seems why don't you "hen" it up with that gobble neck of an ESPN analyst John Clayton.
What he stated was uneducated because there are NO off the field issues that are seriously relevant. Braylon acts like a teenager in some aspects of his life, that's true, but I hardly consider those "off the field issues." And where on Earth have you heard things like him telling his teammates to F' off and what not? Are you in the locker room? Out there at practice? Are you his good friend who attempts to help him? A coach perhaps?
That's a giant load of BS and anyone coming on this board and attempting to make statements that are abosolutely out of their realm of knowledge (like you just did) need to take a reality check and realize where they're sitting when football games come on. Let me give you a hint, it's not on the sidelines.
Also, you have completely taken what RAC has stated in press conferences and tried to apply it to whatever argument you've tried to pose against me. Saying that RAC has stated he "needs to learn how to be a team player"? First off, I remember RAC saying something, but I'm not sure it's anything along the lines of that and even if it IS what he said, you took it out of context. RAC has gone on record saying a lot of things about Braylon, but most of it he's stated as "keeping it IN house" not out of house. Now I'm going to take a wild guess here, but I think you're with me on this one and are "out of house."
Braylon has done a lot of juvenile things, but he's been punished for them and he's learning. If you want to over exaggerate things, go ahead, but until he pulls a Ray Lewis and KILLS SOMEONE or a Jamal Lewis and sells drugs to kids, I think his little teenager antics are fine until he LEARNS which it seems like he's doing.
And don't ever say I'm making things up again. I never make things up, I say what's on my mind yes, but I do not make things up. Also, on a minor note, teams are constantly going through changes whether it be player personel or front office personel, so to try to call me out and tell you one organization that has made more changes is ridiculous because they ALL do it. It's the nature of the league. So again, quit being a drama queen.
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Versatile you are the epitamy of drama queen.
LOL..........you should fit in nicely w/the other homers who always resort to questioning dissenting poster's manhood, intelligence, or honor.
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It's actually quite funny to listen too. I haven't made anything up and if you like to talk as much as it seems why don't you "hen" it up with that gobble neck of an ESPN analyst John Clayton.
Back to back insults. "Hen" it up?
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What he stated was uneducated because there are NO off the field issues that are seriously relevant. Braylon acts like a teenager in some aspects of his life, that's true, but I hardly consider those "off the field issues." And where on Earth have you heard things like him telling his teammates to F' off and what not?
Well, since you asked...........I know one of the players and one of the coaches, although the coach is gone after the recent shuffling of the coaching staff.
Now, who cares what you consider? Leon has on-field issues, such as dropping passes, running poor routes, not figthing for the ball, having alligator arms over the middle, not knowing where to line up, and forgetting plays.
The rest are off the field issues.
When a player is late for meetings and practices.............that's a problem.
When a player tells coaches and JoeJ to F--off when they are just trying to help him, that is a problem.
When a player scoffs at veteran advice on how to conduct himself and instead says "Who are you to tell me what to do," that is a problem.
When a player ignores the organization's advice to not go certain places, not just once, but several times......that is a problem.
When a player refuses to take the time to learn the playbook and comes out and says he wants his teammates to play w/the passion he does.......well, that is a problem.
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Also, you have completely taken what RAC has stated in press conferences and tried to apply it to whatever argument you've tried to pose against me. Saying that RAC has stated he "needs to learn how to be a team player"?
The article was posted earlier this year and RAC was comparing Leon to Keyshawn Johnson. In other words, he had hope for Leon, but RAC said that "he needs to learn to be a good teammate."
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Braylon has done a lot of juvenile things, but he's been punished for them and he's learning. If you want to over exaggerate things, go ahead, but until he pulls a Ray Lewis and KILLS SOMEONE or a Jamal Lewis and sells drugs to kids, I think his little teenager antics are fine until he LEARNS which it seems like he's doing.
You are making more [censored] up. Ray Lewis did not kill anyone. And I would rather have either of those two guys over Leon. They are good teammates, not selfish, arrogant asses like Leon.
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And don't ever say I'm making things up again. I never make things up, I say what's on my mind yes, but I do not make things up.
LOL........or what? You made more things up in this last post.
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Also, on a minor note, teams are constantly going through changes whether it be player personel or front office personel, so to try to call me out and tell you one organization that has made more changes is ridiculous because they ALL do it.
Wait a minute. You said Clayton was making things up about Lerner having a quick trigger. I am asking you to back that up. Name these other supposed organizations that have made more personnel changes than the Browns since Junior took over. Here's you chance to prove you are not making things up and Clayton was. Good luck w/this one. 
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So again, quit being a drama queen.
Name calling can get you banned.
One last thing..scooter. If you are under the age of 18, please tell me. I'll stop challenging you immediately.
Hey Administration-------this is not the Brown's official board, right? Ever given any thought to making it an adult board? No, I am not talking about being able to cuss, but just make it an 18 and over board. It might eliminate some problems.
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Hey Administration-------this is not the Brown's official board, right? Ever given any thought to making it an adult board? No, I am not talking about being able to cuss, but just make it an 18 and over board. It might eliminate some problems.
Just like to throw my two cents in on this one...
The whole point of a message board is to debate, and we don't have any real trolls around here.
Perhaps it's since I'm closer to 18 than not (I'm 20) and was 15 when I first found the original DT. But under that system you proposed I would have never been able to learn a few things about football that I thought I was pretty good at evaluating.
Basically, don't throw out the kids unless they start huge issues. Some of them might not be quite there yet in terms of football knowledge, but their ceiling is high and can learn a lot here. More here than learning some of the crazy things their friends who've never played the game say (like my one friend who says O-line isn't a big deal...sheesh).
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No problem w/kids learning, but what's that old phrase???
Kids should be seen and not heard.........especially when they call others idiots and call men.....girls.
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I am further away from 18 than I like to admit. And to be honest I can't tell who on this board is under 18. While the youngsters may have a lot to learn sometimes their lack of experience allows them to look at an issue with a novel perspective getting all of us to approach a topic from a different viewpoint.
Plus if they are interested enough about the Browns to hang out here we should welcome them with open arm not shun them. Last thing I want is to stifle their passion. Actually last thing I want is for them to hang out at that other board and learn from those guys. We have enough ignorant fans without trying to create more. I have tried reading that board and good grief. I can't stay on there more than reading a few posts I get so frustrated. Do we really want the youngsters learning football from those guys?
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Ahh the voice of reason,,,, Stop that jester, you are going to get a bad reputation if you keep the good sense postings As for Vers being a Queen,,,,,, hey,,, I just asked the guy if he wanted to have a beer,,,,now I'm afraid ......... Very afraid
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No problem w/kids learning, but what's that old phrase???
Kids should be seen and not heard.........especially when they call others idiots and call men.....girls.
That phrase doesn't really apply in today's society though. Many adults I speak to say they've learned so much from kids. I know I have just from working with kids at a summer camp.
When they get insulting though, yeah I have a problem with that.
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JC has hit Browns on the right on the money... Little talent, depth and leadership...
Sorry but KW Jr. and BE having proved to be & are me, me, I guys who just want paid and have little class and character... They should both be traded this season. While there is some value... Frye is a back up at best and not the future starting QB of the Browns... IMO and by what he has shown... Not to mention he has been subjected to the Couchification process in Cleveland...
How does anyone here expect RAC and staff to win with the talent on the field? RAC and staff have had little to coach... The Browns aren't close to having the same level of talent the Saints, Jets or Titans have... There is no nucleus of talent or leadership in the Cleveland Browns locker room... What there is several hand me down, has beens and some selfish loudmouth punks, mixed in with mostly below average to maybe make a NFL roster talent... I choose the above teams to compare to because of the rebuilding, coaching and young talent... and the fact that few thought these teams would show much less place last year...
Changing the coaching staff may help some, but without talent, no coach will look good in a situation like the Cleveland Browns are in right now...
No matter how you choose to look at the Cleveland Browns, they are a minimum of two more years away form being respectable... They are still at least 20 quality players away from lining up week in and week out with a realistic chance to win... Leave the injury excuses at the door... All NFL teams have them every year...
If RL is getting ready to clean house again he should sell the team now. Because to start over now is another 3 to 5 years of NFL hell yet again for all involved... Can you say Cleveland could supplant the Lions as the lowliest of the NFL low...?
Reality is more than a concept... Especially when it come the Cleveland Browns...
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"I don't see how you can rip the guy for saying our front 7 is aging."
sorry didn't mean to rip your idol...lol 
1. I explained quite clearly - for a smart guy you don't see a lot of things...
2. Aging - anything in the NFL equates to something that was built and now those studs are just about to fall out of any further use. But we never did build the DL, if he just spent 45 minutes to educate himself on the Browns and listened to the Savage presser "State of the Browns Address" and actually new anything. He would have known that Savage full knows and understands the DL is a unit he simply has not attended to yet...as in didn't BUILD IT YET.
He simply saw Ted Washington and Willie McG and glommed that statement on the entire unit. So Chicken Littles can go around and say...ITs TRUE!!! ITS TRUE!!!
I actually think its quite humorous how he can be the KING of the Chicken Little Fan club...lol if anyone fit the role better
it's not the front seven, it's the defensive line and willie mcginest...
i mean we did draft 3 promising linebackers last year, all of which showed some life at some point last year...
i think that is where the disagreement is at
is our front 3 aging?
no, they are ancient.
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