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 When both Daniel Gibson and Delonte West are out there, we get lit up for threes. Mike Brown needs to get it through his head we cannot start two small guards, we had the same problem last season with Mo and Delonte both starting.
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and at the same time we light them up for 3's
heck of a lot of fouls this game... shaq 5 hwoard 5 and there is still a ton of time left in the game
jj is having a heck of a night with 20
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Someone tell Dwight to quit crying. Shaq just played great defense and manned up to force him out of bounds. Having him now it going to pay dividends.
As for this late slip of the lead here in the 4th, I'm not too worried about it. I doubt in the playoffs we're going to see Gibson, West, James, Hickson, and Moon on the floor come crunch time. Still will be interesting to see how this one finishes out.
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Heck of a statement in the second half of the fourth quarter. LOVED the Hickson block on Dwight...can't stand that guy!
Oh yeah...gotta say I enjoyed it when SVG said "We're not worried about JJ Hickson". JJ put up more points than anyone on Orlando did.
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Lebron enabled "Lebron Mode" for the last 5 minutes. Good finish. Shaq got some bounds and two big baskets while Lebron had a crazy fallback three and a wicked spinning fall-away jumper to clinch it. 
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FINALLY!!! It's about time!! I've been sick of seeing Orlando nail contested three pointers while we missed wide-open looks. Was like that last playoffs too. Things finally returned to normal in the last few minutes with us actually hitting our shots, and Orlando's prayers not going in. What do you know ... we got up by a dozen.
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Not really Cavs related, but I'm glad the Nuggets are on the back end of the doubleheader tonight. I love watching them play. I wouldn't be opposed to a Cavs-Nuggets Finals, and I think its a real possibility. They're rolling lately.
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I really think last year their three point shooting was an anomaly. They won't repeat that success and I think we have better length and athleticism on the floor to stick with them. The way it stands I don't make a move at the deadline unless it is no-brainer quality good for the team. Also, I'm starting to see the upside we see in Hickson. He really contributed tonight.
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JJ had a fantastic game, and he did quite well against Dwight when matched up. If he can develop a decent jump-shot, work on his strength, and defensive fundamentals, he's a serious keeper. I can understand what the front office sees in him.
I'm still convinced we need another player that can create their own shot, though.
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Shaq always cracks me up with his trash talk. He had some things to say about Dwight Howard here and here. Quote:
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I must have been watching a different game. The block was nice, but other than that it was a mismatch, I wouldnt call that quite well.
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Perkins guards Dwight better than anyone in the NBA.....
after him though, I think Shaq gives him some of the most troubles. he's used to overpowering guys and he has to use his quickness advantage with Shaq, which he isn't as good at.
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Hickson = 20 + 4 + 0 + 0 + 1 - 1 = 24
Redick = 8 + 3 + 1 + 0 + 0 - 1 = 11
We win the battle of the JJ's, so we win the game. Easy as that.
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Vince Carter a -21 last night on the floor (+/-)....worst on Orlando after him was Nelson at -11 so it was a big difference.....
thank you Orlando for trading away the guys who give us trouble (Turkoglu and Lee) and getting someone Mike Brown figured out how to stop 5 years ago (well, Eric Snow did, but apparently Mike Brown was paying attention)
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great game last night. as good as lbj was in the fourth, i thought it was delonte that sparked us when we needed it. our offensive sets got really ugly in the second half and he hit some huge shots.
danny ferry looks like an absolute genius too. shaq was the ultimate x factor for the difference between us and them. shaq is in, we dominate, he leaves. we struggle. we don't have a big enough body to neutralize howard otherwise.
he also looks like a genius for not taking in vince carter when his name was mentioned what seemed to be every year in trade rumors. that guy is awful. yeah 48 points the other night, the guy is still a chucker and one of the most overrated players of the 2000's
now we have to wait another week to see how far the cavs can take this streak. it's been amazing. and by the time we get back, leon powe may be ready to go.
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I must have been watching a different game. The block was nice, but other than that it was a mismatch, I wouldnt call that quite well.
Not so. At the end of the third quarter, going into the fourth, JJ substituted Varejao and matched up against Dwight at center. The score was 82-82, and then ballooned to 92-85 (in our favor) within that span. JJ had that nice block, and the LeBron assisted dunk down the center. If Barnes hadn't blocked the layup prior to the dunk, and he hadn't blown the hook-shot minutes later, JJ would have scored 8 quick points. It forced Orlando to eventually remove Matt Barnes and put Rashard Lewis back in to match our front-court athleticism.
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danny ferry looks like an absolute genius too. shaq was the ultimate x factor for the difference between us and them. shaq is in, we dominate, he leaves. we struggle. we don't have a big enough body to neutralize howard otherwise.
Maybe a genius now.....but it would have been smarter to get Shaq last trading deadline. I know, the deal wouldn't have been the same and we didn't know Orlando was going to cause us that much trouble in the ECF. Shoulda, coulda, woulda...but I wanted Shaq this time last year.
And I think we need one more piece for this postseason. Avery Johnson was asked about Lebron's future and didn't talk of what he should do...but what he's heard around the league. If we win it all this year, he's staying 100%. If we don't it's maybe 60-40 he stays. So, I say we go all in and make sure it happens this year.
And does anyone feel we're better without Mo? Well, let me restate that......better without Mo chucking shots when he's not on.
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Was up at the Q last night- good times. The place was rocking, JJ looked great, and we got at least a LITTLE revenge on Orlando. More to come this spring. 
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Why is Mo getting ragged on by some people over this win streak? We're not winning because Mo is out, we're winning because LeBron is playing out of his freakin mind. Over this 13 game stretch, without Mo, LeBron is averaging 30 ppg and 10 assists all while shooting over 50% from the floor. Those type of numbers are unheard of.
Mo was / is having a great year. He's shooting 47% from the field, nearly 43% from 3 and has right around a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. Sure, he'll have off nights but we need Mo to win a title. He's averaging 17, 5 and 3. You don't just roll out of bed and do that.
We're a much better team with him in the lineup. Maybe that's hard to see with this 13 game streak but LeBron can't do this the rest of the year. It will completely wear him out. Gibson as a starter is averaging something like 11, 3 and 2. The production we're losing at the PG position has to be coming from somewhere else. It's not as if we're winning because we don't have Mo, we're winning because other guys are stepping up in his absence.
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i don't think mo is a problem at all. he's undersized and not a very good defender, but that's ok, i think you can get away with that at the pg position and still win a title, tony parker is a horrible defender and the spurs won multiple titles.
i think more than anything, we have kept this thing going because of our depth. boobie gibson is no chris paul, he's not even really a mo williams, but he has started before, he has been around the block in terms of playoff pressure, and he understands our offense. it's a luxury to have a guy like that.
he also hit some big shots. the cavs faced some adversity last night, the first in a while, and they shoved it right back in orlando's face.
i think more than anything it showed that delonte is vitally important to the team. i hope his legal trouble doesn't get in the way come april/may/hopefully june, because we are going to need him.
he can keep a guy like kobe under control, and a guy like vince carter? he can make his life miserable.
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Suprised to read about Chris Douglas Roberts and his attitude. He was a guy that I thought would transition nicely to the pros.
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honestly, it's crud.....
the only reason for Washington to do that trade would be to spite the Cavs...do they really hate us so much they are willing to get less just to hurt us?
Butler can net them a guy like Harrington, young talent, plus draft picks (and he's expiring if they want to go that route).....Jamison more young talent and draft picks.
even if they do that deal though....it makes the C's better, but would it be enough for them? And do they put Pierce at SG to try to get Butler and him on the floor? would be a strange team and they would have less than half a season to figure out how to put it all together.
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I was referring to him defensively on Howard, I should have been more clear. Although in your last reply you still base your original statement on "what ifs".
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I hope No Logo..
They would have 30 games to be able and piece everything together.. I think that would be enough to figure it out..
You are 100% certain that they would only do it to spite us..
I guess I am just used to the worst thing happening, so that is why I am kinda concerned hearing this..
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How much would it really help them though? They would have Wallace, Garnett and Jameson all at the PF spot ... and Butler and Pierce at the SG. They would be much deeper, but they aren't exactly improving the starters.
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they'll be better, and formidable, but they won't be as good as their championship squad from a few years ago.
i honestly don't see why the wiz would do that deal.
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The only way they would do that deal is if their GM hates us so much he's willing to lose his job over it. The fans would have his ass.
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web page Rob Oller commentary: Shaq's value to Cavs can't be measured until June Friday, February 12, 2010 3:06 AM By Rob Oller THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH CLEVELAND -- The snow piles lining Columbus driveways serve to demonstrate the principle of essential productivity as it relates to the Cleveland Cavaliers and Shaquille O'Neal. Just as homeowners plop down a decent chunk of change for a gas-powered snowblower they need only five or six times a winter, so the Cavs shelled out $20 million last June to acquire O'Neal, whom they will need for only a few weeks this summer. One machine removes snow. Cleveland hopes the other first removes the Orlando Magic and then the Los Angeles Lakers. Are such investments foolish? Not when facing hours of shoveling the fluffy stuff yourself. Not when your city is desperate for a championship and there is concern that your best player, LeBron James, might walk if a title doesn't come closer to reality this season than it did last. In other words, you need the essential tool to complete the job when it is most essential. One look at my 200-foot snowswept driveway and you would know a snowblower is essential. So guess what? I don't have one. Yep, I'm a dope, always thinking the snow isn't as deep as it is. The Cavaliers looked like dopes, too, during last season's Eastern Conference finals as the Magic's long-bodied shooters burned them while Dwight Howard punched them in the lane. Cleveland general manager Danny Ferry and coach Mike Brown, with input from James, determined on the flight from Orlando after a Game 6 playoff exit that if the Cavs couldn't match the Magic's length on the perimeter at least they could fortify the low post. The feeling was that neutralizing Howard would allow the Cavs to cheat out and better guard the three-point line. Ferry pulled the trigger in late June, sending Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic to Phoenix for O'Neal, a four-time NBA champion and 15-time All-Star. Brown said the deal got done not so much because Cleveland needed to match up with Howard but because Shaq is, well, Shaq -- a top-five all-time player. But the Cavs had to have at least one eye on Orlando when they pulled the trigger. "Did the trade help us? Yeah, against a guy like Dwight and against the guys the Lakers have," Brown said last night. There is, however, one little problem with the principle of essential productivity: It's more of a theory, which is to say, what happens when you buy a snowblower and it never snows? Or, in the case of Cleveland, what happens when you trade for O'Neal and he barely plays? Such was the case last night when the Cavs put their 12-game winning streak on the line against Orlando, which had won 10 of its past 12. It was O'Neal vs. Howard, and the matchup went pffft like a leaky balloon. Both players got into early foul trouble and played with five fouls for much of the fourth quarter, leaving the game to be decided by the smaller mites. O'Neal played 19 minutes and had 10 points and six rebounds. Howard had 19 and 11 in 31 minutes. In a way, the lack of Shaq can be seen as a positive for the Cavs in that they delivered a 115-106 win without their biggest man contributing in a big way. Essentially, Cleveland did it without the guy they thought they needed to do it. How? James scored 32 and the "other parts" played with a confidence that was lacking during the conference finals. Plus, Cleveland limited Orlando to less than 50 percent shooting (.480), a number that says more than anything else, considering how the Magic torched the Cavs' defense last year. That's not to say Cleveland won't need its snowblower come playoff time. But it's nice to know the shovel works well at times, too. Rob Oller is a sports reporter for The Dispatch. roller@dispatch.com
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Um, I'd say Shaq's rebounding and defensive presence were significant in the game last night.
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It was O'Neal vs. Howard, and the matchup went pffft like a leaky balloon. Both players got into early foul trouble and played with five fouls for much of the fourth quarter, leaving the game to be decided by the smaller mites. O'Neal played 19 minutes and had 10 points and six rebounds. Howard had 19 and 11 in 31 minutes.
I'm glad it went "pffft"....and I hope it goes "pffft" every game with them. Like in chess, we traded queens in both games with Orlando this year. If the presence of Shaq gets Superman Jr in foul trouble for the price of Shaq, its all good. We still got "Z" although he is breaking down right in front of our eyes. Just a few more months "Z"!!
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i love writers who constantly act like it was Ferry who didn't pull the trigger on the deal last year. the Suns backed away from the deal refusing to deal Shaq for cap-space because their team was improving under Gentry and they wanted to make the playoffs...... 
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windy thinks there are going to be some trades coming up. possible deals between washington and detroit, and he seems down on the latest rumor of the cavs trying to land murphy.
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yeah, Washington and Dallas are reportedly working together as well.....seems like Washington really wants to land the first trade of the season.... http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=4909238
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That deal would still let the Wiz trade Jamison straight up for Z if they wanted additional cap space. But being the Wiz ... you know they'll bypass a deal that would help themselves just to spite us.  (Always use the name "Wiz" in the urinary form)
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Allen to Whiz bangs for Jameson and Bulter reported as false
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The rumored blockbuster trade between Washington and the Boston Celtics is in fact just that - a rumor.
Multiple league sources contacted this morning shot down the potential trade first reported by Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski.
According to Wojnarkowski's report, the deal would send Ray Allen, Brian Scalabrine and J.R. Giddens to Washington in exchange for a pair of all-stars, Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler.
The report indicates that no deal is imminent, but "talks have progressed."
Multiple league sources on Friday said the two sides have had no discussions about this trade, or any trade for that matter.
It's no secret that the Cleveland Cavaliers have coveted Jamison for quite some time.
One league source indicated that this story was in all likelihood planted by someone looking for the Cavs to intensify their efforts at landing the 6-foot-9 forward. This would solidify their efforts towards an NBA title, in addition to pleasing LeBron James who as we know, can bolt from Cleveland this summer when he becomes a free agent.
As for Butler, the Dallas Mavericks are the team that he's most likely to be dealt to prior to the Feb. 18 trading deadline.
Meanwhile, the Celtics will continue to explore all trade avenues between now and the trading deadline.
But if the C's keep true to form, they probably won't pull the trigger on any deal - if they make a deal at all - until early next week.
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February 12, 2010, 7:45PM
The Plain Dealer Phoenix Suns All-Star Amare Stoudemire, right, could be teammates with Cavaliers center Shaquille O'Neal if a deal is completed. According to multiple league sources, the Cavs are getting serious in trade talks for Stoudemire, who is averaging 21.2 points and 8.6 rebounds. Dallas -- At the moment, All-Star Weekend is turning into an elaborate game of Spy vs. Spy.
The amount of information and disinformation flying around is at a fever pitch as teams jostle for position in escalating trade talks. The Cavaliers, as would be expected, are right in the middle of it.
According to multiple league sources, the Cavs have put their interest in forwards Troy Murphy and Antawn Jamison on the back burner for the moment and are getting serious about a higher-profile name, Phoenix Suns All-Star Amare Stoudemire.
Cavs General Manager Danny Ferry and Suns General Manager Steve Kerr, former teammates and friends who have already collaborated on big deals, met this afternoon in Dallas. Suns owner Robert Sarver and Cavs owner Dan Gilbert are also in town and are on the labor relations committee that met.
Sources indicate the Cavs, who first started talking to the Suns about their high-profile big man last month, are advancing talks to bring him to Cleveland.
It is possible there are discussions that would make it a larger deal. The Arizona Republic reported earlier this week that the Suns were hoping to get a team to take the contract of guard Jason Richardson in addition to Stoudemire to complete any deal. That has been a sticking point in talks with other teams, but it isn't clear whether the Cavs would be willing to swallow such a package.
They have the assets to pull it off if they are able to use Wally Szczerbiak in a sign-and-trade deal and the expiring contract of Zydrunas Ilgauskas. The Suns are also believed to be interested in J.J. Hickson, who has had a breakout sophomore season.
Sources said the Cavs have advanced in discussions with the Pacers as well and could make a deal for Murphy if other deals fall thought. The Cavs still maintain an interest in Jamison and Yahoo! Sports is reporting they are competing with the Boston Celtics to trade for him.
The Wizards, according to multiple reports, appear to be headed for their rebuilding as a deal to send forward Caron Butler to the Dallas Mavericks for guard Josh Howard may be getting close.
But for now, it seems the Cavs have eyes for Stoudemire. It is a stunning situation considering Stoudemire didn't mesh with Shaquille O'Neal last season when both were with the Suns. He's averaging 21.2 points and 8.6 rebounds this season. He has one year at $17.6 million left on his contract but can opt out of it and become a free agent.
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It sounds like it would be a huge "money taking" move for the Cavs, something like:
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Amare
JRich
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Z (buyout)
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Four Things:
1.) At worst - Amare steps in and does what Hickson does 10x better - they are very similar players (in that Amare can do everything JJ can do). Amare adds a very nice jump shot that Hickson doesn't have
2.) We should start worshiping the ground that Gilbert walks on - he's losing the prorated portion of 2 x ($29.7- $17.2)M ~ $9 million dollars on the deal.
3.) Richardson isn't that bad of a player either - solid three point shooter, rarely if ever turns the ball over, and a very good rebounder
4.) We put Mike Brown with an immensely offensively talented team - if he can get them to play team defense, and baring injuries, we're by far the best team in the league.
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We have his rights, and can use him in a sign and trade deal.
He could be a piece that helps make the dollars balance.
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