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Not sure I like that move, but at this point, I put my trust in the front office to do what's best for the organization.
Only 5-6 more days to go before the deadline.
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Things are going to be interesting for sure. Not happy about losing Delonte, but with his uncertainty with the legal troubles, I guess I cant complain too much. I would do the deal considering that, plus I think it makes the Cavs far and away favorites as long as the pieces can learn to play together in such a short time frame.
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That cannot be the deal. No way do we do that trade. You cannot replace the chemistry those guys have with Lebron for what you get in return and to lose JJ too!. No way Ferry say it isnt so.
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That cannot be the deal. No way do we do that trade. You cannot replace the chemistry those guys have with Lebron for what you get in return and to lose JJ too!. No way Ferry say it isnt so.
Well, I'm not so sure it would be THAT bad ... Z would be a buyout, so he would return in a month at the Vetreran minimum. Dwest, has been in and out of the lineup all year (He's pretty much second string right now) and we would get probably equal value with J-Rich ... and Amare is Amare. If he can agree to take a secondary role, and do what JJ is doing now, he will be 10 times better than what JJ is giving us.
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all hands on deck  a trade will not happen, I know we have time before the trade deadline but come on 
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A few days ago, I felt the same. With recent rumors swirling, and GMs having face-to-face discussions in Dallas, I no longer believe our front-office is content with inaction. To be as active as we are in discussions, and then wind up doing nothing seems like a waste of time, money and resources. A trade, at this point, seems more probable than not. Neat photo from CF: 
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and Amare is Amare. If he can agree to take a secondary role, and do what JJ is doing now, he will be 10 times better than what JJ is giving us.
My problem with Amare is that for as big as he is his defense is a joke. I have heard LBJ say that Delonte is the glue of this team.
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and Amare is Amare. If he can agree to take a secondary role, and do what JJ is doing now, he will be 10 times better than what JJ is giving us.
My problem with Amare is that for as big as he is his defense is a joke. I have heard LBJ say that Delonte is the glue of this team.
U gotta know that nothing will be done without Bron's OK...Nothing...
And that entire team hasn't played D for 10 years...
I guarantee ya' Stoudamire shows up on D if he comes here...
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Well it sounds like now they are trying to get him to sign an extension so the Cavs can have him for a guaranteed 3 years and have the money to give Lebron the max.
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When presented with several trade proposals, LeBron James preferred Amare Stoudemire, a league source said.
ESPN reported on Saturday morning that Phoenix is absolutely looking for talent in return for Stoudemire and is not considering this a salary dump.
The Suns will almost certainly demand J.J. Hickson and a first round pick in return for Stoudemire.
Stoudemire privately would prefer to be dealt to Miami, his home state.
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actually stumbled upon this while looking around my sportsbook
where will lebron james play his first game in the 2010-2011 season
cavs, knicks, nets, and pistons are the only teams listed
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I don't think LeBron is going anywhere.
IF he goes anywhere, it's New York, but I don't think that'll happen either.
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i'm more confident on it than i have ever been. it's not a done deal, but how can you not stick with this team. they are quickly becoming one of the best run organizations in the league, they just need that championship to realy validate themselves as one of the true elite organizations right now.
i also don't buy into the whole "im gonna win a championship and then leave because i'm done here"
you don't leave when you take a team that far and work that hard, the hunger for more will be there. it was with all the great players.
honestly, the only way he ever leaves is if this team starts going in the wrong direction, but right now, you can't say that at all. no real bad contracts, not too many long term commitments, just a good mix of veteran and young guys. i love how this team has turned out, they are vastly superior to the team they were last year. they win, and when they don't win, they're still right there. they've had about 2 or 3 duds all year.
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sounds like the wiz and mavs deal is confirmed, but not yet official.
heywood, butler, and stevenson to dallas
gooden howard and 2 other guys to the wizards
i think it makes dallas better, but they still aren't as good as the lakers, nugs or jazz.
but the bigger thing is, now that washington has thrown in the towel, do they fully unload payroll, jamison has to get dealt now right?
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Updated: February 13, 2010, 8:41 PM ET Butler to Mavs, Wiz get HowardComment Email Print Share By Marc Stein ESPN.com Archive Mavs Trade Howard In 7-player deal Marc Stein discusses the trade between the Dallas Mavericks and Washington Wizards Tags: Dallas MavericksLearn More » Report a bug » Feedback » Mavs Trade Howard In 7-player deal The Washington Wizards and Dallas Mavericks have completed a seven-player trade that launches Washington's long-anticipated rebuilding project in earnest and sends Wizards mainstays Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood to the Mavericks. More from ESPN.com How much does this trade help the Mavs and Wiz? That depends, writes John Hollinger. Story -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The seven-player deal with the Wizards represents a major win for the Mavericks, writes Tim MacMahon. Blog The teams agreed on the principal pieces Friday: Butler, Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson to Dallas for Josh Howard and Drew Gooden. Mavericks reserves Quinton Ross and James Singleton were added to the deal Saturday and are also Washington-bound, with Dallas due to receive cash considerations in addition to the three players. Washington and Dallas have completed a trade call with the league office to secure the NBA's required approval and will formally announce the trade later Saturday, sources said. The Wizards have been talking to several teams for weeks about deals involving Butler and Haywood, most notably Houston with Tracy McGrady's $22.5 million expiring contract. But talks with Dallas had stalled in the past week, partly because of Washington's insistence that the Mavericks take guard Stevenson in any Butler deal. When Washington agreed late in the week that it would add Haywood to the deal, talks picked up Thursday night and only grew more serious Friday, resulting in the trade that is widely regarded as the first major domino needed to loosen things up on the trade market in advance of Thursday's annual trading deadline. The acquisitions of Butler and Haywood, meanwhile, would be a welcome spark for the sputtering Mavericks, with Butler moving into the spot vacated by Howard and Haywood arriving as another rim-protecting defensive anchor in the wake of a knee injury that has compromised the effectiveness of Mavs center Erick Dampier. Acquiring Haywood and having the chance to re-sign him this summer would likely fill the void Dallas thought it filled last summer, when the Mavs signed Orlando center Marcin Gortat to a lucrative offer sheet, only for the Magic to unexpectedly match the offer to the restricted free agent. Washington inevitably wanted Beaubois added to the deal, but Mavs owner Mark Cuban said earlier this week that his young point guard is "pretty much untouchable" as Thursday's trade deadline approaches. But sources say the Wizards are gaining so much payroll and luxury-tax relief -- while also keeping Jamison to either keep or move in a separate deal before Thursday's deadline -- that they couldn't pass on Dallas' offer. The potential for acquiring two front-line players -- since Butler and Haywood would immediately become key rotation players for Dallas -- renewed the Mavs' interest and convinced them to relent on Stevenson. Speaking to a group of reporters Thursday, Cuban said: "We kind of know the parameters [under] which we would make a deal. If somebody meets our parameters, we'll pull the trigger. But if not, we're not going to do it. I don't see us doing something just to do something because that'll kill our flexibility this summer. But in the event that there's somebody that really upgrades our talent and really makes our team better, then maybe we'll do it." Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=4912262
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holy christ that has to be the WORST version of any remake I've ever heard..I find it hard to believe james taylor would let her do that to his song..omg make her stop
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LOL!
I am watching this with my girl, and she was like, ooohh Erykah Badu, turn it up!! 2 minutes later, she was like, ewww turn it down!
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yeah, words can't describe what that was.. on another not, RIP dunk contest..it's officially dead.. Lebron had a chance to save it this year and backed out..so boring, i've seen better dunks in games
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All the LA fans made such a fuss about Shannon Brown...what a let down. His dunks were terrible. None of this was exciting at all.
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That's why LeBron declined it, 1. he assumed there would be significant competition, and 2. he also assumed, when declaring, it would inspire other big-names to be that competition. I'm quite satisfied with his decision. There's just no merit in competing against Shannon Brown and DeMar Derozan.
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ESPN: Closing in on a deal!!!!!!!!!! http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4913305Sources: Hickson, Ilgauskas to Suns The Cleveland Cavaliers and Phoenix Suns are closing in on a deal that would send All-Star forward Amare Stoudemire to Cleveland, according to sources with knowledge of the negotiations. The Cavaliers would send Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson to Phoenix in exchange for Stoudemire, one of the league's most dominant big man. While Cleveland remains in talks with several other teams, the club, from management down to the players, has settled on Stoudemire as its first choice. The ball is in Phoenix's court. The Suns are mulling whether the financial relief provided by Ilgauskas's $12 million contract and the young and talented Hickson are enough for them to part with Stoudemire. Cleveland believes the addition of Stoudemire would all but seal LeBron James' re-signing with the team when he becomes a free agent this summer. The Cavaliers are also prepared to sign Stoudemire, who has one year and $17 million remaining on his contract, to a long-term contract extension once the season ends. The Suns will likely waive Ilgauskas, which would allow him to be re-signed by Cleveland after 30 days. Cleveland is also talking with Washington about acquiring Antawn Jamison, as well as Indiana about Troy Murphy. Meanwhile, Golden State is trying to entice the Cavs into taking Corey Maggette for Ilgauskas. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4913305~Lyuokdea
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The Cavaliers would send Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson to Phoenix in exchange for Stoudemire, one of the league's most dominant big man.
If Z comes back in 30 days we end up in a Hickson for Stoudemire swap...
How can u NOT do this???
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Altho id hate to lose JJ ...This would be a huge run to the championship and beyond.
Especially if we can get a favorable extension worked out.... then we're looking at a solid multi-year run at things.
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Telling little tidbit from CF: Quote:
This just on Cleveland.com for those worried about Shaq and Amare fitting in:
On Friday when asked which players Stoudemire would pick for a dream lineup he listed: Shaquille O'Neal, LeBron James, Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson. Two, of course, play for the Cavs now.
And Shaq was list FIRST by Amare........
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me too but what if jj in 2 years is lights out better than Amarae we again will be kicking ourselves in out butts.
look at the players we have given away to other teams who produce massive amounts of points for other teams.
I don't like it... I think next year JJ will be owning his space
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IMO, the point is that Amare is better right now than JJ is. And we HAVE to make a push for the title this year. There are no guarantees after this year with the team as is. Will Shaq/Z be back or still be effective? Will LeBron be back? Will JJ develop to the level of his potential? We can do what ifs all day, but I feel that right now the team will be better with Amare than with JJ.
Put another way, do you want to go into the playoffs relying on JJ, who has no playoff experience, or Amare, who has been in the playoffs many times (and performed well)?
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Getting Amare for only JJ and Cap relief would be a steal. If that deal happens Ferry should win GM of the yr. Remember that Boston gave up a very talented big man in Al Jefferson for KG. I wouldnt be too upset with giving up JJ though I think he will be very good one day, an all star even.
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Agreed. And Phoenix is the only team I trust to release Z if the trade ends up being Z/JJ for Amare like the reports say.
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Heavily agree, we are in a win now situation. We don't have the luxury to wait for talent to develop. If we were a losing team, or a sub-par -/+ .500 team similar to LeBron's first few years, there would be no problem. That's not the case.
Trading for Amare sends a message to LeBron: we're willing to do what it takes to surround him with the necessary pieces, and even if we fail to win a title this season, we did everything we possibly could, as an organization, to put him, and the team, in a position to succeed.
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amare is awesome, but i wonder how he will do in an offense that is the complete opposite of the only type he's ever known.
and yeah if this move goes down, of course the cavs wanna sign him, but i don't think this move really makes our chances of keeping lbj any better. we're getting this guy on rental.
no guarantees he plays for the cavs next year. and word is, is that he wants to play in miami, his hometown, alongside d wade.
i'd feel a lot better about this if we could work an extension out. i don't see that happening though.
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Something that gets over looked about Amare is that he is solid in the playoffs. He also has a lot more experience in the playoffs then JJ. Also if his D is a big concern just have him rotate with Powe and Andy.
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amare is awesome, but i wonder how he will do in an offense that is the complete opposite of the only type he's ever known.
and yeah if this move goes down, of course the cavs wanna sign him, but i don't think this move really makes our chances of keeping lbj any better. we're getting this guy on rental.
no guarantees he plays for the cavs next year. and word is, is that he wants to play in miami, his hometown, alongside d wade.
i'd feel a lot better about this if we could work an extension out. i don't see that happening though.
I have the same concerns LBJ, and I wasn't a fan of acquiring Amare. But if the reports are true, JJ Hickson + Z for Amare is a no-brainer, regardless of chemistry question marks.
This isn't Carlos Boozer we're talking about here. Amare doesn't just want paid, he wants to win a championship. He has said numerous times that he wants to be on a contender, and that if he were to sign an extension with Phoenix, he wants a personal commitment from the front-office that they're committed to winning championships. If they weren't, he was leaving.
He also said his 2010 destination depends on where LeBron or Wade end up, because he knows they both want to be on contenders as well. If he follows one of them, and they land on a contender, adding a big like Amare will just increase their chances.
As far as Miami goes, I read that too. Privately, it's being reported he would prefer Miami but there's no verification (directly from him) that he really said this, or, if he did, the possible context of it (i.e. being asked a casual question about his ideal location, etc.,).
Let's suppose he did wind up with Miami, is that team built to win a championship? I don't know.
I doUknow, however, if we acquire Amare, and we win a championship this season, I guarantee both him and LeBron will re-sign. If both are confident, and comfortable, as the season progresses, they may sign extensions during this season. LeBron still has the extension we offered him on the table, and he can sign it at any time. If he does, Amare won't be far behind.
Concerning Amare's defense: I think it's an overrated point. This is Amare's last season (if he chooses to opt-out) and he stated the trade rumors and future uncertainties have bothered him and affected his play.. When put into its proper perspective, it's not nearly as bad as portrayed. This season, Amare has a DRtg of 110. Notable big-men and their DRgs this season:
- Chris Bosh: 109
- David West: 108
- Zach Randolph: 110
- Antawn Jamison: 109
- LaMarcus Aldridge: 107
- David Lee: 106
- Chris Kaman: 107
Chris Bosh, David West, and Antawn Jamison, all are three players we (were) interested in have similar ratings as Amare. Before Steve Nash arrived in Phoenix, he logged ratings of 101, and 103, in his rookie and sophomore seasons respectively. To give a reference point, Dwight Howard logged defensive ratings of 104 and 103 in his rookie and sophomore seasons (respectively). Between the seasons of 2004-05 and 2007-08, Amare logged defensive ratings of 105, 102, 103 and 104. So, statistically, Amare has shown the potential to defend quite well, and he has gone on record saying he wants to work on his defense. Phoenix and their style of play aren't designed for defense, they are built, and designed, for offense and high scoring. That's not an environment for Amare to better develop his defense, this was the same concern when we brought Mo here. Amare, like Mo, will buy into the team concept, and players like LeBron and Shaq, both whom are stout defenders, along with Mike Brown's defensive philosophy, is the ideal environment for nurturing Amare's goals: win championships, develop his defense with our system (and become a complete player).
The first step towards better progress is a willing to learn. If Mike Brown can mold Mo into a decent defender, he can do it with Amare.
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i think it will work. i just hope the guy doesn't demand the ball a lot and want a ton of his own plays.
windy basically said if amare comes here, and takes a role on this team, instead of trying to get his to make his free agent status look better, than this deal could turn the cavs into a dynasty. if they somehow get amare to work, and sign him, no way does lbj leave becasue this team is set up to win muliple titles.
the guy currently takes a backdoor to steve nash right now. when you think suns, you think nash. so maybe that's ok with him. and yes, if he went to miami, people will still think wade as long as he is there.
what i'm hoping is that amare wants to see how this plays out for the half season. and if he can live off of learning defense, and just enjoying the fruits of the attention defenses have to put on lebron. and if it works out, maybe he commits long term with lebron and this deal looks better.
i don't follow the suns a lot, obviously i have seen the guy play enough to know his game but not really his personality and how he would fit with the tight knit family that the cavs have always had under mike brown.
if it works, look out.
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I've never heard any problems with Amares personality. Plus he does charity work in Sierra Leone.
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So this is a done deal then?
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