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I would think so. Could you picture Z running up and down the court like they do?
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This proposed trade with the Suns....would they be buying out Z so he can come back with us?
yes. however it cannot be discussed and it cannot be part of the trade.
but all signs would point to the suns doing so, it serves them no purpose to play him, and they save money by buying him out.
biggest part of it, is that kerr and ferry are good friends, and that i don't think kerr would screw with something like that.
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Same could be said of Carlos User Looser Boozer....
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This proposed trade with the Suns....would they be buying out Z so he can come back with us?
If that is the case I'm all on board...I really want Z here for a ring. I'll give up JJ, even though I really like him and he is turning into a fine player but I think Amare will give us a huge push to a ring.
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Not really ... Boozer wasn't friends with anyone in the front office. Besides, Z is about as half-court offense as you can get. He wouldn't fit in with Phoenix's offense at all.
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even though I really like him and he is turning into a fine player
JJ is doing quite well lately, but I really have to wonder just how much of that is a result of being on the floor with guys named LeBron & Shaquille.
Don't get me wrong... I like what he's been bringing and he's pretty good, but I just wonder what Phoenix will truly be getting.
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ESPN.com is stating that if the Amare - Cavs deal fails then the cavs will agree to trade Hickson and Z for Troy Murphy
it seems almost imminent that a trade will happen no matter what.
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I don't like the Troy Murphy deal... it strikes me as them making a deal just for the sake of making a deal.
Now, perhaps that is the case, being that this one free up some money, if I'm not mistaken. If we can't get an impact guy like Amar'e, then we free up cash to buy one this summer.
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I agree partially
They way I see it
Troy Murphy is on a bad team. Last in the central to be exact.
He is playing 31 Minutes a game averaging 14 points 10 rebounds and 2 assists a game.
He was also ranked 3rd in the NBA in defensive rebounding efficiency last year when he grabbed 33% of every shot took by opponents (better than Dwight Howard)
I'm not defending the guy or anything but I do not think this guy is a slouch by an means and I only think he will be better playing with a guy like LeBron James
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This proposed trade with the Suns....would they be buying out Z so he can come back with us?
I would think so. Could you picture Z running up and down the court like they do?
He would average 6 minutes a game tops
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JJ is doing quite well lately, but I really have to wonder just how much of that is a result of being on the floor with guys named LeBron & Shaquille.
Don't get me wrong... I like what he's been bringing and he's pretty good, but I just wonder what Phoenix will truly be getting.
jj just needs a jump shot. if he develops that i think he can turn into a fine rotation player. all star? that remains to be seen. but the guy has talent. i just don't understand the murphy deal. murphy is a big guy that can stroke it from deep and i understand why that is good for the cavs, but i agree with the other post. seems like it is making a move just to make one.
with all that said, murphy is still a damn good player.
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I've been hawking ESPN Cleveland.com and any site that could give me any news on this for the past two days. So far its stayed the same and its driving me nuts
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I'm going to be very disappointed with anything less than an Amare deal....
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Troy Murphy is a hell of a player and would fit our team extremely well, but he's not on the same level of Stoudemire. If we give up very little to get Murphy I would be ecstatic, but if we give up J.J. Hickson for him I'll be pretty upset. As far as being a fair trade, Hickson for Murphy as long as they buyout Z (or use Wally in a sign and trade to cover salary) is a pretty fine trade. However, we hold all the cards and we are in a position to get a better than fair trade. We are in position to rob a team's talent pool in exchange for cap relief, so I hope we fleece someone instead of making a fair trade. Murphy himself would be a very good player for us though...it would just be like we settled for him when there was better options out there for us and that would be 
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i hate the entire "lebron is that good" argument for why the cavs are 43-11
why weren't the cavs always this good then, why did it take years of building the right team, and making huge moves to get to this point? before last year we topped off at 50 wins.
if anyone's supporting cast should be ripped, how about dwyane wade? miami sold out for one championship and now look like an absolute joke. wade gets doubled and tripled every single trip down the floor, where's all that talk?
LOL...C'mon man...
Shaq, Mo,Bron, and the deepest bench in the NBA...Compared to Shaq and Wade...
C'mon man...
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i hate the entire "lebron is that good" argument for why the cavs are 43-11
why weren't the cavs always this good then, why did it take years of building the right team, and making huge moves to get to this point? before last year we topped off at 50 wins.
if anyone's supporting cast should be ripped, how about dwyane wade? miami sold out for one championship and now look like an absolute joke. wade gets doubled and tripled every single trip down the floor, where's all that talk?
LOL...C'mon man...
Shaq, Mo,Bron, and the deepest bench in the NBA...Compared to Shaq and Wade...
C'mon man...
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Antoine Walker, PF
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Shaquille O'Neal, C
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Jason Williams, PG
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LeBron James SF
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LeBron James SF
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that was one of the worst finals ever. if lebron gets the calls that dwyane got in that series, for this year's playoffs, nobody is beating the cavs, no i mean literally, the cavs go 16-0 and win the larry o'brien.
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LeBron James SF
Shaquille O'neal C
J.J. Hickson PF could be Amar'e Stoudemire
Mo Williams PG
Anthony Parker SG
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Except One Squad won a NBA Championship and one hasn't... BIG ADVANTAGE HEAT
Here's the real difference between the two teams....
Cavs- Mike Brown
Heat- Pat Riley
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Sources: Cavs talking to Warriors about Corey Maggette Chris Broussard ESPN The Magazine The Cleveland Cavaliers' pursuit of Amare Stoudemire continues, but in case they can't land the Phoenix Suns' All-Star forward, they have begun talks with the Golden State Warriors about Corey Maggette. Despite their league-high 13-game win streak, the Cavaliers are leaving no stone unturned in attempting to improve their team and bring the city it's first major sports league championship in 46 years. In addition to speaking to the Washington Wizards regarding Antawn Jamison and the Indiana Pacers regarding Troy Murphy, Cleveland is in discussions with the Warriors about Maggette, according to four sources with knowledge of the talks. Stoudemire is far and away the Cavaliers first choice, and sources close to Stoudemire said a report Monday that he told Cleveland he doesn't want to play there is false. Sources say the Cavaliers are willing to send Zydrunas Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson, a first-round pick and another player (to make the deal work financially) to Phoenix for Stoudemire, but while the Suns mull over their options, Cleveland remains one of the most active teams in the league leading up to Thursday's trade deadline. The Cavs might need a Plan B, as the Miami Heat are pushing hard to land Stoudemire as well, sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein on Monday night. It is not clear whether the Cavaliers' second-choice is Jamison or Maggette. The discussions with Golden State have centered around Cleveland sending Ilgauskas and his $11.5 million expiring contract to the Warriors for Maggette. Other players, perhaps Cleveland's Danny Green and Golden State's Devean George, would have to be added to make the deal work financially. As is the case with all their potential trades, the Cavaliers hope their trading partner would waive Ilgauskas so he could re-sign with Cleveland 30 days later. But no such deal can be struck beforehand, per league rules. The Cavaliers' interest in Maggette, who is averaging 20.8 points per game for the Warriors, is somewhat surprising. While the 30-year-old small forward has long been regarded as one of the league's most gifted scorers, he has three years and nearly $31 million left on his contract and has been somewhat injury prone. Maggette, who has a career scoring average of 16.6 points, has also only made the playoffs one time in his 11-year career with Orlando, the Los Angeles Clippers and the Warriors. That has led some to question Maggette's ability to help a team win, but the same questions dogged Jamal Crawford before he was traded to Atlanta last summer. Crawford, a former teammate of Maggette's in Golden State, has helped the Hawks become an Eastern Conference contender. LeBron James is aware of Cleveland's interest in Maggette, and sources close to him say he believes he could help the Cavaliers. Maggette can play shooting guard as well as small forward, and while he's not a great outside shooter, the Cavaliers could at times play James and Maggette together on the frontline in a small lineup. Chris Broussard covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917507
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I'm surprised about Broussard on this one, his trade for Amare is wrong.
The third player added to the deal isn't to make salaries work, Z's trade kicker covers that. It is just a part of their counteroffer to pull the trigger.
I have to say though, I'm a bit worried about this trade: JJ, most likely Greene, and a 1st for Amare is an absolute steal! What worries me though are the rumors that they are then looking to flip Z in another deal instead of buying him out. I'm on the fence, leaning towards no, if Z never ends up getting bought out. Then again, the Z re-trade is just another rumor. and we all saw how those rumors turned out about Amare not wanting to come here.
If we do end up getting Z back though, it's an absolute steal.
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As Amar'e Stoudemire asserts he can play with Shaquille O'Neal, Cavaliers play waiting game on Phoenix's trade decision
By Brian Windhorst, The Plain Dealer
February 15, 2010, 10:11PM
Matt York / Associated Press
LEVELAND, Ohio -- This is supposedly the climax of trade season in the NBA. But that isn't really accurate.
It is the climax of money season. For both teams and players.
Money is at the heart of the potentially league-altering trade the Cavaliers and Phoenix Suns continue to ponder that would bring All-Star Amar'e Stoudemire to Cleveland.
The Cavs, according to sources, are waiting for an answer with their offer that centers around Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson but may include another player or draft pick. The Cavs have established other trade options, but they are waiting for resolution to their Stoudemire bid before doing anything else.
The talks have gotten so much attention in Cleveland and Phoenix that there is a belief that the Suns will make their decision on Stoudemire before their game Tuesday night in Memphis. The rumors are clearly causing distraction.
Monday night -- as he was with his teammates in Memphis -- Stoudemire used his Twitter account to address Internet rumors that popped up during the day that he didn't want to play with the Cavs and former teammate Shaquille O'Neal.
"I play very well with Shaq. I averaged more [points] last year WITH him [and] played better [defense]. You guys can stop saying we don't play well together," Stoudemire wrote.
The rumors are obviously distracting to him and probably his teammates.
Here is where the money comes in, however. The Arizona Republic reported in its Monday editions that the Suns and Stoudemire exchanged contract extension proposals over the weekend. Stoudemire can become a free agent this summer and the Suns would like some clarity with his future before deciding to keep or trade him.
According to sources, though, the two sides were not close. Stoudemire is believed to be looking for an extension close to what Lakers' All-Star Pau Gasol signed earlier this season. Gasol's new contract averages $19 million a season over three years. The Suns are believed to be offering fewer years and less money.
Stoudemire has an option in his contract for next season worth more than $17 million and he likely will not pick it up, wanting a new deal before a potential lockout in 2011. But he won't want to take a pay cut, either. So it is easy to see why there's an impasse. The Suns signed him to that salary before two knee surgeries -- one that was career-threatening -- and a career-threatening eye injury.
The Cavs, it has been reported by Yahoo! Sports, have not talked to Stoudemire about offering their own contract extension. But they also could not do that without the blessing of the Suns. Otherwise it would be considered tampering by the NBA.
In addition, with such a high-risk investment, the Cavs likely would not commit anything contract-wise until after they see how a potential partnership with LeBron James would work.
If the Suns reach the conclusion that they must trade Stoudemire or lose him for nothing, they must weight the trade offers. Taking the Cavs offer, if they work a buyout of Ilgauskas' contract, potentially could save the team around $10 million in salary, luxury taxes and revenue-sharing bonuses.
Once again, it is about the money.
Now for the Cavs' other trade options. Right now, according to sources, they are far from nailed down.
The Washington Post has reported the Cavs have not made an official trade offer for Wizards forward Antawn Jamison as yet. This backs up the belief that Stoudemire is the Cavs' No. 1 option and they are waiting for that to play out.
If the Wizards want to trade Jamison for an expiring contracts and get under the salary cap this summer, it appears the Cavs may be their only legitimate option.
According to a source, the Cavs and Indiana Pacers have not progressed in talks for forward Troy Murphy since last week. Contrary to a Monday report in the Los Angeles Times, the Cavs do not have a deal in place for Murphy if the Stoudemire option falls though.
Though the Cavs made some progress from the initial Pacers demands a month ago, there is a belief that Indiana is still asking more than the Cavs are comfortable giving right now. That may be the demand for Hickson to be part of the deal but also could include draft picks.
The trade deadline is Thursday at 3 p.m.
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Not a fan of Maggette, regardless of what we give up to get him. Reports are that the Heat are hot on the trail for Amare as well, which may be our biggest competitor for him. Come on Ferry make it happen! 
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I understand Amare wants to play in south beach but that would be stupider than LeBron going to New Jersey. Miami will never get past the big 3 in the east.
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I keep hearing people talking about Miami jumping into the trade discussions with Phoenix. If they can get Amare, they will have some extra ammunition to resign Wade. So, they are kinda in the same boat as us. While we're looking for this year more than they are, we're both trying to keep the current star happy for the future too. This could get interesting (or disastrous).
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I keep hearing people talking about Miami jumping into the trade discussions with Phoenix. If they can get Amare, they will have some extra ammunition to resign Wade. So, they are kinda in the same boat as us. While we're looking for this year more than they are, we're both trying to keep the current star happy for the future too. This could get interesting (or disastrous).
I think Miami is crazy for going after stoudemire...
IMO they are renting him for a season and giving up probably Beasley and others for him unless a third team is involved. They are doing this with no chance of even competing in this years playoffs or even next years playoffs. And with the chance of losing Wade and Stoudemire to FA this summer, this just seems baffling to me. I dunno.
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Chances are Amare might stay with Miami ... it's his hometown team, and his first choice of places to go if he were to get traded (well according to the media anyway)  I think Miami would try and get Amare, with the hope that he would likely stay, and that would help convince DW to stay too.
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maybe miami is just trying to get the cavs to up their ante. maybe danny ferry panics and takes j rich too....
i don't think that happens but what other reason does miami have to do this? you're right, they grab amare and they are still a second round exit. they're a horrible team, poorly coached, and no depth at all.
the more i think about this, the more i say do it. i was kinda so-so on it, because i would be worried about amare walking, but i think if this works, and it works to the potential, then maybe amare considers staying, and the cavs go on to be a potential dynasty.
if we land amare, the rest of the league is going to crap themselves. the new york media is gonna get desperate, real desperate.
what im hoping for is that we lock both guys up, maybe dwyane wade says no thanks and stays in miami or goes to chicago, and the knicks start overpaying for some of these players. hilarious.
if you follow twitter. amare defended the fact that he can play with shaq last night. which leads you to believe that he wants to come to cleveland. i think what is more important is that if he comes and it works out, does he wanna stick around? if the answer is yes, you make this happen at all costs and you get a head start on 2010.
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maybe miami is just trying to get the cavs to up their ante. maybe danny ferry panics and takes j rich too....
i don't think that happens but what other reason does miami have to do this? you're right, they grab amare and they are still a second round exit. they're a horrible team, poorly coached, and no depth at all.
the more i think about this, the more i say do it. i was kinda so-so on it, because i would be worried about amare walking, but i think if this works, and it works to the potential, then maybe amare considers staying, and the cavs go on to be a potential dynasty.
if we land amare, the rest of the league is going to crap themselves. the new york media is gonna get desperate, real desperate.
what im hoping for is that we lock both guys up, maybe dwyane wade says no thanks and stays in miami or goes to chicago, and the knicks start overpaying for some of these players. hilarious.
if you follow twitter. amare defended the fact that he can play with shaq last night. which leads you to believe that he wants to come to cleveland. i think what is more important is that if he comes and it works out, does he wanna stick around? if the answer is yes, you make this happen at all costs and you get a head start on 2010.
Agreed.
Miami is not gonna become a contender just by adding Stoudemire. Because obvisouly some other big piece will be given up by them. And if Cleveland does win the Amare Sweepstakes. There are gonna be alot of diapers that need changed around the league because I just can't see anyone defending Lebron Mo Amare Shaq and everyone else we have.
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He stated that he can play with Shaq and would welcome a trade to Cleveland.
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I keep refreshing various websites hoping to hear that this trade finally went down. A month ago, I was sort of down on doing the Amare deal, because he wasn't a stretch-4. But if you think about it, he's just a taller version of JJ, but can do the things he does much, much better. JJ isn't really a stretch-4 either, but they've figured out the offense with him in there. A trade that basically swaps JJ for Amare is ideal for us. It fast-fowards JJ's ability 5-years, and lets us win now.
Amare and Shaq didn't work in PHX, because PHX doesn't have the same kind of offense we do. I think things will work much better for us ... just as we've seen Shaq and JJ work out recently.
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what we can hope for is that if it happens, lebron can convince him to stay, maybe the entire team. they're tight knit, they do things away from the game.
i guess if worse comes to worse we can still sign and trade him?
i hate to be the guy, because there are some that don't care about next year, i do.
that doesn't mean i don't want a chip any less than anyone else, but i want basketball next year in cleveland, not garbage. i hate this entire "go for it now, and screw next year"
no. go for it now, and make sure you don't screw yourself. because if we win it all and turn into what the miami heat are now, lebron could potentially leave.
i honestly believe if we do it right we can have both. have it now, and have it for the future.
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I agree. I don't like the "Screw next year" idea.
But, like it's been said, Z will probably be bought out and brought back. And who knows if he comes back next year, anyway.
And, Hickson, while he's shown flashes, I don't think is essential to keeping this team competitive after this year.
I'm all for giving up Hickson for Amare, because 1. It makes us easily the favorite to win it this year, and 2. We aren't giving up someone who I feel is essential to keeping a competitive team in Cleveland.
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i guess if worse comes to worse we can still sign and trade him?
I'm not sure what the rules are on that. He's technically a free agent, isn't he? We would own the Bird rights to him, so if we do a sign and trade, that team would get the Bird rights they wouldn't get if they signed him as a FA ... I'm not sure what other "rights" we retain until he signs with another team. It still boils down to Amare ... he would have to agree to sign with us first to do the trade.
Actually, now that I think about it, there is a reason for the sign-and-trade ... The team with the Bird rights is the only team that can go over the cap to sign him. So if team-X wants him, but doesn't have the cap room ... they can't sign him. If they want him, they would have to have us sign him, and then trade us something to make the contracts match. ... I just don't see that happening next year though, as there will be a ton of teams under the cap for the Lebron/Wade/Bosh sweepstakes.
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And, Hickson, while he's shown flashes, I don't think is essential to keeping this team competitive after this year.
I agree with that. While Hickson has shown some potential, it's still just that ... potential. We know what we're getting with Amare, and while it's true that he's not going to have the mileage left on him that Hickson would, we at least know that we're getting All-Star worthy mileage.
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if we do lose hickson there is also the possibility of us still having powe. kind of a way to go on that because we gotta see how his knee is and how he fits in. but we signed him to a 1 year deal at under a million. maybe he fits in plays well shows he's healthy and gives us a discount.
this is driving me crazy though. i don't know if i can make it to thursday.
my gut feeling says we don't get him.
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Great thing about Amare is that he is a better version "current JJ, " and can ALSO hit a jumper NOW..
Another thing is that, IF HE WANTED TO, Amare could become an elite defender in our system IF HE BUYS IN... Big ifs, I know, but he has the elite athleticism to be a beast on D should him and LB decide they want to stay together moving forward in Cleveland and be the centerpiece..
I doubt we get him.. Something just shouts "its too good to be true"..
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