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an alternate smallball lineup that really isn't a smallball lineup.
PG: Mo
SG: Parker
SF: Lebron
PF: Amare
C: AV
That is a 5-man group that can play small and fast.....That is a 5-man group that can play big and slow.
Really, unless Dwight Howard is on your team and requires somebody stronger on him than AV......how do you cope with that lineup? And even with Orlando, AV can give Dwight fits in small doses, so you throw that out there just to frustrate the heck out of him.
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That lineup would be absolute hell for Orlando. Amare is atheltic enough to handle Dwight. LeBron would shut Rashard Lewis down.
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The Cleveland Cavaliers have made significant progress in trade discussions with the Washington Wizards, offering Zydrunas Ilgauskas(notes), Jamario Moon(notes) and a No. 1 draft pick for Antawn Jamison(notes) and Mike James(notes), sources told Yahoo! Sports. Some league sources believe this is a deal that is preferable to some members of the Cavaliers’ management and coaching staffs over Amar’e Stoudemire(notes), but Cleveland still hasn’t made a decision on which trade to ultimately make. Other trade proposals that intrigue the Cavs are still emerging on the landscape, but the focus now is on Jamison or Stoudemire. Washington is still trying to squeeze possibly another pick or young player out of the Cavs, but sources say it’s possible a deal could get done without J.J. Hickson(notes). As it stands, both sides believe they have the framework of a workable deal. Despite LeBron James’(notes) desire for Stoudemire, sources say some within the Cavs aren’t completely sold that acquiring the Phoenix Suns All-Star forward is the best move at the trade deadline. The front office and coaching staffs have to walk delicately when dealing with James on these trade scenarios, because ultimately he has to buy into the move they make. “I don’t think that Phoenix believes that its deal for Amar’e is Cleveland’s No. 1 choice anymore,” says a league source briefed on both team’s discussions. Some Cavs officials are intrigued with Stoudemire, but believe that Jamison – and potentially other targets – could be a better fit. Stoudemire would bring dramatic change to a team that has won 13 straight and currently owns the NBA’s best record. The Cavs may still do the Stoudemire deal, but not without some level of pause. James’ desire to play with Stoudemire has been a major reason why the Cavaliers and Suns are so deep in negotiations. James has told Cavs management he can make things work among Stoudemire, Shaquille O’Neal(notes) and himself. Ultimately, that task will fall upon him far more than coach Mike Brown. Talks with the Wizards were ongoing on Tuesday and sources believe the Cavs were approaching Washington general manager Ernie Grunfeld’s demands. For a long time, Cleveland – and others around the league – truly doubted Grunfeld’s willingness to part with Jamison, but that’s changed in the past few days, especially after the Wizards dealt Caron Butler(notes). Washington has been talking with Miami on a potential trade for Jamison, but much like the Suns, the Wizards don’t like what the Heat are offering. As opposed to proposals from the Heat, sources says, the deal with Cleveland would give Washington more cap relief this summer. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aq...o&type=lgns
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Wow, thanks for posting that article. I'm not a huge fan of giving up moon, but if you get Jamison without giving up JJ its almost a no brainier. Would still rather get Amare and J Richardson but not a bad second option. Anyone have any updates on Mike James? I remember him being decent with I think the Wolves a few seasons ago.
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I'm not a huge fan of giving up moon, but if you get Jamison without giving up JJ its almost a no brainier.
I really like Moon's game also, we might miss his defense a little bit but I agree it is definitely a no brainer.
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"My" gut feeling is that Cleveland is waiting on Phx to accept or reject the trade and Phx is stalling trying to give miami time to work something out with another team, to possibly take on Jason Richardson as well.
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I agree ... but James and Jamison WITHOUT giving up Hickson would be a pretty nice consolation prize!
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So much has happened these last few days, but honestly, after reading: Cleveland's offer for Amare is about the best they're going to get, pertaining to Phoenix' needs, unless another team comes out of nowhere. They get instant cap relief after buying out Zydrunas (whose contract is close to 70%+ already paid) , which will get them out of luxury tax $$ penalties, a young JJ, draft picks, and possibly Danny Green. If they choose Miami's deal, they will be penalized, and have to pay the luxury tax at season's end for nothing. But this is predicated on the assumption that Phoenix doesn't agree to take on O'Neal or Richardson, and if they do, and one of the two are bought out, it may get them under the cap but, again, their buy-outs will cost more because Z's is already half-paid. If they acquire Iguodala, the luxury tax $$ may be worth it (since the ESPN reports say Iguodala is Phoenix' top choice), but that's not the proposal right now. So, in my opinion, it appears Phoenix will either trade Amare to us, or keep him. Personally, I don't think Miami's chances are that good, Phoenix is even giving them more time to come up with something because Miami currently doesn't have anything on their own. Quote:
I really like Moon's game also, we might miss his defense a little bit but I agree it is definitely a no brainer.
I would rather surrender Anthony Parker than give up Jamario Moon, he's our Shane Battier/Ron Artest. He plays better defense, can hit threes (when necessary), and is far more athletic than Parker. I'm okay with Z + Parker + picks for Jamison. I'm not okay with Z + Moon + JJ + (possibly) picks for Jamison.
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update via twitter from mo, he'll be taking part in his first practice tomorrow
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Everytime I see a new post in here, I expect it to be an article linking to a done deal in a trade for the Cavs. 
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Everytime I see a new post in here, I expect it to be an article linking to a done deal in a trade for the Cavs.
hahaha, when i woke up this morning i ran straight to my computer and went on twitter. it's taking over my life. i went out for valentine's day with my girlfriend last night and was checking twitter at the table. awesome.
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Agreed. Its doing the same to me, esp at work. checking realgm/cleveland.com/espn/here almost every 10 min. Its a sickness...
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I just have a feeling nothing will get done. It seems the more you talk about a potential trade, the more likely it doesn't happen. As if the only trades that actually work are the ones that the GM's keep secret.
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i can't wait to hear the backlash if it does happen too. people talking about how unfair it is. yet not a word when the lakers got gasol for free, when the celtics got kg for practically nothing (al jefferson, good player, kevin garnett, hall of famer)
but the cavs land a star and it's gonna come out, you know it.
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i can't wait to hear the backlash if it does happen too. people talking about how unfair it is. yet not a word when the lakers got gasol for free, when the celtics got kg for practically nothing (al jefferson, good player, kevin garnett, hall of famer)
but the cavs land a star and it's gonna come out, you know it.
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I've been talking about that with some friends of mine. Althoguh, now with the emergence of Marc Gasol, the trade doesn't look as lop sided as it used to. He's no where near as good as Pau, but still a solid developing young big, which is a nice piece to have in the NBA.
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I've been talking about that with some friends of mine. Althoguh, now with the emergence of Marc Gasol, the trade doesn't look as lop sided as it used to. He's no where near as good as Pau, but still a solid developing young big, which is a nice piece to have in the NBA.
honestly....I hate people arguing this because, at the time, you cannot convince me that Memphis realized Marc was going to drop 50 lbs of fat, put on 30 lbs of muscle and start dominating the paint.
basically, it was a salary dump where Marc Gasol was a throw-in (Crittenton was the main young piece they were after at the time).....I'm glad for Memphis that its panning out a bit better than they could have really hoped for, but that still doesn't make it a bad trade.
now, Chris Wallace's recovery move from this trade was to fill Pau's $$$ slot with Zach Randolph. that move I can credit him for seeing how he would help younger Gasol develop and the impact he would have on the team (though I sure didn't see it when it happened).
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Suns general manager Steve Kerr expects trade talks involving All-Star forward Amare Stoudemire to go down to the wire.
The NBA's trade deadline is Thursday at 3 p.m. EST.
"Nothing has changed," Kerr said Tuesday. "I'm still gathering information."
The Cavaliers are trying to land Stoudemire, but the 76ers and Heat have been linked to the forward as well. On Tuesday night, Phoenix coach Alvin Gentry questioned whether or not any deal would be agreed upon.
"I've been in the league 21 years and they talk about all these blockbuster deals being made," Gentry said. "In 21 years, I think there's been three or four of them. So we'll see what happens."
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I read that earlier, but this article gives hope: Quote:
Amar’e Stoudemire(notes) and the Phoenix Suns are no longer discussing a contract extension, and the All-Star forward was privately telling friends that he believes he’s playing his last game in a Suns uniform on Wednesday night in Dallas, sources said.
As Yahoo! Sports reported, agent Happy Walters and Suns general manager Steve Kerr exchanged contract offers over the weekend but were far apart in talks, sources said. Those privy to the conversations among Suns ownership, management and Walters say they no longer include scenarios where Stoudemire isn’t traded prior to Thursday’s deadline.
Stoudemire can opt out of the $17.7 million on his 2010-11 contract; unless the Suns trade him, they could end up getting nothing for him.
Meanwhile, the Miami Heat are still working to put together a package for Stoudemire, although a source familiar with Pat Riley’s most recent offer says it doesn’t include Michael Beasley(notes). Miami failed in its attempt to enlist the Charlotte Bobcats as a partner to take on Udonis Haslem(notes) in a three-team trade.
The Heat could be willing to take on Jason Richardson’s(notes) contract, which has one year worth $14.4 million left after this season, for the chance to land Stoudemire to play alongside Dwyane Wade(notes).
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Looks like we may have a Plan-B available to us too ... (From ESPN:)
Chad Ford: For weeks, sources close to the situation have asserted to ESPN.com that the Wizards were reluctant to trade Antawn Jamison. Over the course of the last 72 hours, however, it appears that the Wizards' position on Jamison has softened considerably.
Sources say the Wizards and Cavs had discussions on Tuesday about several potential deals that would send Jamison to Cleveland. The same sources said talks ended without a firm offer from Cleveland.
As of Wednesday afternoon, the Wizards are waiting on the Cavs to see if those potential deals become an actual trade.
"The ball is in Cleveland's court," one source told ESPN.com. "If Cleveland comes back with a firm offer based on the potential deals they discussed, I think the Wizards will move Jamison."
The Wizards' new stance on Jamison is being fueled by two factors. First, the trade of Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood for Josh Howard has left the team in rebuilding mode. And Jamsion, who signed an extension with the club 18 months ago expecting to be on a contender, would like to be traded to a team with title aspirations.
"Jamison is a great guy," one source said. "He's been a model player for the Wizards on and off the floor. The Wizards don't want to lose him. He's been a rock in the locker room. However, I think the Wizards want to do right by him. He's at the end of his career. He deserves to have a chance to win a title."
The other factor is that the Wizards are currently over the NBA's luxury tax threshold. At least one potential deal discussed with Cleveland on Tuesday (Jamison and Mike James for Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Jamario Moon) would put the Wizards below the tax this season. Getting below the tax could save the Wizards around $10 million this year once you factor in rebates that teams under the tax receive from the league.
If the Cavs decide to pull the trigger on the Amare Stoudemire deal instead, look for the Wizards to explore ways of trading Jamison this summer.
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I'd prefer Jamison over Amar'e, but that's just me.
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As the deadline draws near, the teams start panicking, Paul Coro, an Arizona sportswriter, on his twitter: Quote:
@ajz20 No, but I guess I have the edge of seeing this ? now. Actually, Phx is likely the one waiting for Clev's decision with Wash in play.
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Listening to Windhorst's podcast. He basically ripped the Corey Maggette deal, saying that would be terrible all the way around and a 4% chance it happens. Phew! Says 90% we get Amare or Jamison by tomorrow and even a chance we do two trades, second one is antwaun wright (sp?) for Toronto. Not likely but theyre exploring it.
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I don't know how that would make sense. With Moon + Parker, Antoine Wright seems rather redundant.
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I think the thought process would be that Moon would be gone.
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maggette makes no sense, i think it's just a smoke screen to get one of these other teams to panic. and i don't see how that worked, even us nobodies knows the cavs would never take maggette and his contract. and the fact that lbj commented on it saying it'd work leads me to believe he's in on this too.
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I don't know how that would make sense. With Moon + Parker, Antoine Wright seems rather redundant.
Chances are Moon or Parker will be gone if we get Jamison, so they are probably trying to fill that void.
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It's like being 5 yrs old on Christmas morning again...
Browns is the Browns
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No kidding ... there's a REASON I keep refreshing every sports page and forum I know every 30 seconds.
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That was Windhort's thoughts as well. He thought it was asine and basically made fun of Maggette for about 8 mintues. Said he's a massive ball hog.
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J/C I'm leaning more towards the Amare deal because of all the options it gives us this summer.... if NY is able to clear the cap space, I think it helps us with Amare (who I am a little hesitant to sign to big $$$). NY will be able to sign 2 FA's but have no bench and no other players outside of Gallinari (they'd have to let Lee go to sign 2 big FA's).... I expect them to get Joe Johnson who D'Antoni loves......another D'Antoni fave is Amare who may want to play in a bigger market and be his team's defacto star.....he could get that in NY playing with JoeJ. we could then do a sign-n-trade to get D.Lee at 2/3 the price of Amare and I'm sure we could find a FA for NY to sign to makeup the difference (as none of this would happen until AFTER LeBron resigned as that will set the market in the first place). so.....signing Amare now, could net us a guy like David Lee, plus another 2nd tier FA this offseason..... just adding this to the mix on the day before the trade deadline 
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After a quick glance at Antoine Wright's DRtg, he's averaging a 110 over his career, and a 114 DRtg this season. Statistically, that's one of the worst ratings I've witnessed thus far. Actually, that's so bad, both Steve Nash and Stephon Marbury have better ratings.
Jamario Moon's is averaging a 104 DRtg, and his DRtg for this season is 102. That's better than Ron Artest at 104, and close to LeBron at 101. I hope we don't do that.
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The Wizards are still waiting on a firm offer for Antawn Jamison from the Cavaliers.
"The ball is in Cleveland's court," one source told ESPN.com. "If Cleveland comes back with a firm offer based on the potential deals they discussed, I think the Wizards will move Jamison."
At least one potential deal discussed with Cleveland on Tuesday (Jamison and Mike James for Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Jamario Moon) would put the Wizards below the tax this season.
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I'm leaning more towards the Amare deal because of all the options it gives us this summer....
if NY is able to clear the cap space, I think it helps us with Amare (who I am a little hesitant to sign to big $$$).
NY will be able to sign 2 FA's but have no bench and no other players outside of Gallinari (they'd have to let Lee go to sign 2 big FA's)....
I expect them to get Joe Johnson who D'Antoni loves......another D'Antoni fave is Amare who may want to play in a bigger market and be his team's defacto star.....he could get that in NY playing with JoeJ.
we could then do a sign-n-trade to get D.Lee at 2/3 the price of Amare and I'm sure we could find a FA for NY to sign to makeup the difference (as none of this would happen until AFTER LeBron resigned as that will set the market in the first place).
so.....signing Amare now, could net us a guy like David Lee, plus another 2nd tier FA this offseason.....
just adding this to the mix on the day before the trade deadline
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