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Ah, you were asking in order to diagnose the problem and offer a fix.

No, I know exactly why it's happening. It's because I'm applying too much downcock which is making my wrist cup. Of course that means I can do one of two things: Either cup my wrist less on the downswing in order to retain the bowing or close the face at impact with a build or heavy off-set. I don't like the idea of backing off my 90-MPH 5-iron swing speed, but consistency always comes at the price of power.

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You're cupping it and coming into it with an open face? Dude you're like the reverse Furyk, laying it off then coming over the top! I understand your desire to stay away from those corrective flintstone clubs, those things will mess a decent swing up. I'm playing with MP-57's right now, if you can stand a tight sweet spot they're a very nice players club.

I wouldn't worry too much about dropping your swing speed while you correct an issue, once the muscle memory is built up for your new move, your speed will naturally come back.

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Sometimes ppl get po'd at me for going through my "mental checklist". Yeah, is that long. But as I concentrated more and more, the list got shorter and shorter. Now is maybe 3 or 4 things I have to remind myself.

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'Peen, you're only old if you allow it. Hale Irwin can still beat the Hell out of the Senior Tour well into his retirement years.

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I agree with that, but I was never Hale Irwin as a golfer just like he was never me. I am sure there are several avenues in which I could wax him.


I only speak of age from the standpoint of deteriorating skills due to age....he isn't as good a golfer now as he was at 35....that's my point.


Most people can come to a honest evaluation of their physical skill and when it becomes to deteriorate.

A 4 was the best I was able at attain and unless Ponce DeLeon tells me in my dreams where the fountain of youth is located, it won't get there again....even if I dump the 1 iron for some goofy TV advertised "perfect club"



Really man, I can drill the 1 iron pretty straight about 240 yards.....with some fairway roll.....maybe 215-225 carry depending on strike.....good strike now....not some off hit....1 irons roll pretty good...at least 15 yards unless the course is soggy, or some total mishit where they might roll 100 yards.


A great chipping iron around the greens if you need a putter type play with just a little bump out of the fringe....stroke it like a putter.....maybe add a little loft to adjust the amount of bump.

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It's my opinion that I learn more in one lesson via video-analysis than I do in three lessons without it.

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Sure, but since you're an aspiring golf pro, you might be able to carry out that self-analysis with little problem. Those who are relatively new to the game likely wouldn't know what to look for... hence the need for instant feedback from a qualified instructor.

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Sure, Mike Weir wins a Masters and suddenly every Canadian knows about golf.

Actually, what you probably aren't aware of is that the video-analysis lesson given with all these various applications is given by a teaching-pro, not by the player by himself.

Now, I would also note that the real benefit isn't in just seeing yourself on video, but being able to fully understand what it is that the teaching pro is telling you about.

Here's an example:

One of my issues is that my club-face doesn't run exactly parallel to the back of my right wrist at the half-way point on the downswing, and as a result my club-face can tend to stay a little open at impact.

That's gobledeegook to someone who doesn't have video-playback to understand what it really means. I can explain it until I'm blue in the face, but trying to wrap your mind around it without having a frame of reference is virtually impossible.

Now, if I see my swing and can associate the right feeling with a mental picture of what it means then I can practice the right way and make big progress in much less time.

But there's more.

The reason even the best of the best at anything in the world need video is because we can easily fall into a bad habit because something that changes for the negative can creep into a routine and feel perfectly natural. With video playback of a lesson which you can watch over-and-over we have the ability to diagnose our own mistakes. Without seeing ourselves we have a much tougher time associating the proper movements with the proper feeling.

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I have found with my swing (scar tissue in right elbow.cannot straighten all the way), I have terrible slice.

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Welcome to the club.

A combination of too much high school pitching combined with ambitions to simultaneously be a professional bowler flat-ruined my left elbow by the age of 24. The surgical fix ran a 50/50 risk of not only not helping my problem but making it much worse. Like you, it won't straighten all the way. If I put my right elbow against a wall I can touch the back of my hand to the wall. But if I do it with my left elbow, there's about a 12-degree separation between my hand and the wall.

No thanks to the surgery.

So I cannot drive my back elbow down and under my body (the common analogy is to experience the same sensation as skipping a rock). This makes me more of a brute-golfer. I'd imagine you have the same move as I do. there's one pro golfer who doesn't keep his back elbow connected to his body, a guy named John Rollins.

I mention this because your injury, unless severe, won't necessarily keep you from hitting it straight. I do play a draw, and my misses are actually more to the draw-side because I sometimes flip my hands because the pain associated with a really bad swing keeps me from extending as much as I can.

Tulsa and 'Peen, I read y'all loud and clear. Tulsa, I've hit those Mizuno's before. The problem with blades and/or muscle-backs with me is that if I miss one the so-called positive feedback hurts my left elbow and joints. That's how I settled on the Ta2's: They are a players club which has a shock absorption property. In essence, they are the perfect balance of workability, feedback, and dampening. But as 'Peen noted, age and wear-and-tear exists, hehe.

Hel, damnit man, save the big words for the people that don't have to look that crap up I don't care if it does apply if I can't spell the damned thing

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Full, indeed.

The best golf advice I ever got was "put your driver away" and not coincidentally IMO, I started posting my best ever 18-hole scores... after hitting just 3-woods off the tee.

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Thank-you...I think I told you that.


Most average, public golf course par 4's can be reached using a 1 iron off the tee, and a 5 iron from the fairway.


My experience is there are a lot of par 4's our there under 400 yards.

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Most average, public golf course par 4's can be reached using a 1 iron off the tee, and a 5 iron from the fairway.

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What was that, 'Peen?

I couldn't hear you all the way back there in the 50's.

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Most average, public golf course par 4's can be reached using a 1 iron off the tee, and a 5 iron from the fairway.

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What was that, 'Peen?

I couldn't hear you all the way back there in the 50's.

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I think I mentioned chipping earlier.

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is that another way to say didn't have the skill to hit it???

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Trevino once said that if he was ever got struck by lightning on the course, he hopes he'll be holding a 1-iron because "not even God can hit a 1-iron."

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but I had a MacGregor persimmon 2 wood.....

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What's a "persimmion" ??

That some kind of extinct mammal?

Hehe............Actually, I had a starter set when I was a kid. It was a pair of department store Golden Bear's given to me as a birthday present. Real crap-clubs but I really liked the clear face where you could see a little bear inside the head.

Yeah, so what? I was a kid. Go screw yourselves

The last wooden club was before I took the game seriously. I *think* it was called a Deep Red, but if not, it was called a "red" something-or-other. I bought it when I was about 16 or 17. It was one of the last wooden drivers.

Incidentally, when I first started half-caring about my score I used a 2-iron. It was easier for me to hit than any driver or fairway wood. Once I got under a hundred and moved back to the blue tee's, I realized I needed to learn to hit a metal.

So I had to bust your chops since I carried a 2-iron for a little while.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm clinging to the golfing past as well *L* I haven't replaced any of my irons with hybrids. In fact, I'm strongly considering going way unconventional by picking up a 2-iron and dropping my 3-wood for a super-strong hybrid. I'm so inaccurate from 250-out that my stats are telling me I'm best laying up to 90-out on most par-5's and using my wedge.

215 3-iron, 225 2-iron, 240-hybrid.......That won't work for most, but I'm considering it.

I wonder if any company is making a 1-iron with new equipment. I haven't ever looked into it.............

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the second, I had no idea how far I was going to hit the thing.

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and of course that's the clubs fault.

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BTW you 'Toad, me and Mike Weir are all lefties.

Many more Canadian golfers are lefties than is normal (read this years ago).

It's a hockey thing... most Canadian kids get a hockey stick and the right hand is the "businesss' hand for a little kid to be able to hold it onto it... True fact, eh?

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I'd meant to acknowledge this earlier, Lampy.

I've always wondered why the left-handed rate in Canada was so much higher than here.

I've heard the theory behind hockey being the cause, but I've never quite bought into it because what about the women? And while hockey is to Canada what baseball is to kids here, do so many play that it would influence the national numbers of left-handers?

I accept that hockey is the cause of so many left-handed baseball players out of canada, or at least why so many hit left-handed, but I've yet to ever find evidence that explains the number of lefties up there.

I'm defecting. Tell you wife to make up the spare room.

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the second, I had no idea how far I was going to hit the thing.

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and of course that's the clubs fault.

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Not at first.

At first I blamed it on my wife!