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Friday, February 09, 2007

SPORTS: Browns QB coach likes Frye, Anderson
By Mary Kay Cabot
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Browns quarterbacks coach Rip Scherer believes Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson will wage a good battle for the starting job.

“Obviously Charlie has a leg up because he’s the incumbent,” Scherer, recently named assistant head coach, said Friday. “But I think it’s going to be a competitive situation.”

Scherer said it’s too early to determine if the Browns will draft a quarterback with the No. 3 or No. 4 pick in the draft (depending a coin flip later this month) and that those decisions are made by people above him in the organization. But even if they do take a QB, he said not to write off the current two passers. The Browns might have a shot at top prospects such as LSU’s JaMarcus Russell and Notre Dame’s Brady Quinn. Ohio State’s Troy Smith has also been campaigning for the job.

“When you’re in our position (4-12), you have to expect anything,” said Scherer. “But I really believe that if we take a quarterback, both of those guys are going to come out fighting and they’d make it very interesting.”

Said Frye last week at the Greater Cleveland Sports Awards: “I think I’ve shown the coaches enough that I’m someone to build on for the future. I can’t worry about the draft.”

If the Browns don’t draft or sign a quarterback, Scherer is confident they can win with either Frye or Anderson.

“Both have the opportunity to make us a winning football team,” said Scherer. “Can either one carry a team? That will be proven down the road, but I don’t know many quarterbacks that can. They also have to have a supporting cast and (General Manager) Phil Savage and (coach) Romeo Crennel are trying to improve that.”

Scherer said the competition promises to be a good one and will bring out the best in both. “They’re both such competitors,” said Scherer. “I think Charlie will take it as a personal challenge and rise to the occasion. Derek gained some confidence and also feels capable of being that guy.”

Frye believes it’s his job to lose.

“(Anderson’s performance) doesn’t change anything,” he said. “I think it just shows that if something did happen to me again, we have a guy that can make plays. Derek took advantage of his opportunities.”

Frye said he met with new offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski and came away re-energized.

“He said this is a fresh start for me and after he watched Philip Rivers take over the offense in San Diego last year, I think he expects the same from me,” said Frye. “I’m excited to have a fresh face in here, a guy that doesn’t know anything about anybody. It’s about what you do from now on. I also think he’ll command more respect than hiring somebody from within.”

Scherer said both quarterbacks will have to quickly learn Chudzinski’s offense, an attack-minded scheme that plays to the strength of the personnel.

“It’s outside their comfort level, but that can be good,” said Scherer. “Both will have to focus and turn the heat up a little on themselves so they can be best evaluated.”

Frye will be playing for his third coordinator in three years. He said: “I think this one’s going to work. Hopefully it will. ... I want to grow mentally and know this offense like I did in college. I think that’ll help me cut down on my turnovers.”

The Browns led the league with 25 interceptions and Scherer said, “we have to eliminate those as a group.” He also said the differences between Frye and Anderson are overstated.

“Everybody likes to contrast Charlie and Derek in terms of athleticism and mobility vs. more of a dropback passer, but that shortchanges them,” he said. “Charlie has improved greatly in the pocket and Derek has shown he can make plays outside the pocket.”

As for Frye’s arm strength, Scherer said Frye can make all the throws and “timing and accuracy are more important than how hard a guy can throw.”

He also said third-stringer Ken Dorsey provided a veteran presence because of his football smarts and that he doesn’t think that was missed as much as some folks speculated.

He said Frye and Anderson are eager to learn the new offense and will start doing so soon. Frye, who ended the season with a wrist injury, has been studying films of himself from last season and started some light throwing. Anderson, who missed the last game with a right shoulder separation, will return soon from Oregon. Then, the battle will begin.

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Scherer said both quarterbacks will have to quickly learn Chudzinski’s offense, an attack-minded scheme that plays to the strength of the personnel.

“It’s outside their comfort level, but that can be good,” said Scherer. “Both will have to focus and turn the heat up a little on themselves so they can be best evaluated.”





So I may just be reading this wrong but Chud's offense plays to the strengths of the players but its outside the comfort level of Frye and Anderson?


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Scherer said both quarterbacks will have to quickly learn Chudzinski’s offense, an attack-minded scheme that plays to the strength of the personnel.

“It’s outside their comfort level, but that can be good,” said Scherer. “Both will have to focus and turn the heat up a little on themselves so they can be best evaluated.”





So I may just be reading this wrong but Chud's offense plays to the strengths of the players but its outside the comfort level of Frye and Anderson?




It's outside their comfort level because it's new to them, at least that's what my drunk mind is deciphering.

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Scherer said both quarterbacks will have to quickly learn Chudzinski’s offense, an attack-minded scheme that plays to the strength of the personnel.

“It’s outside their comfort level, but that can be good,” said Scherer. “Both will have to focus and turn the heat up a little on themselves so they can be best evaluated.”





So I may just be reading this wrong but Chud's offense plays to the strengths of the players but its outside the comfort level of Frye and Anderson?




I thought there were alot of little strange things in this article, but it may just be the way it was cobbled together.

-- Charlie is painted like he's in denial about Anderson abilities.
-- Charlie is painted as being excited that everyone is starting with a blank slate, almost implying that its better the new OC not know anything about their previous talents, abilities, or weaknesses, as if to say that way we can simply forget every bad thing Frye has done in the past year and a half.
-- Frye seems to imply all his problems last year with interceptions were because he didn't know the playbook well enough, but a significant number of his turnovers came from forced passes, fumbles and receivers who either weren't in the right place or couldn't hang onto balls.
-- Scherer seems to all but acknowledge that criticisms of Frye's arm strength are somewhat valid, but then goes on to say that accuracy and timing are more important to him.

Things like these are what bug me about Cabot's writing. You read an article and you think you've learned a whole lot but more careful consideration (and listening to the kinds of questions she asks at press conferences) often shows that she knows what her articles are going to say even before the questions are even asked and quotes gathered.

Unfortunately, this doesn't allow her to let the article follow the information revealed in the quotes, ask follow-up questions, or get any deeper than what she's decided to say before the talking heads are gathered.


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Thank you Mary Kay for an article chalk-full of absolutely nothing of interest nor worthy of discussion.


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Thank you Mary Kay for an article chalk-full of absolutely nothing of interest nor worthy of discussion.




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When QBs feel like they are starting to get sucked down the drain, they start saying the same things. Charlie was sounding a bit like Couch if you ask me.


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Folks, it's Feb 10th,,, the ProBowl is it for the season,, Nothing much to talk about in the way of meaty football news,,,,

So, what do we read,,,,,, Pretty weak stuff folks,,

Most of the stuff in this article is meaningless really.. Rip said it all in my opinion, when he said the decision to draft a QB is above him.. So what is it anyone expects him to say.,

He's not stupid enough to throw Frye or Anderson under the bus so I don't know what anyone expects him to say,,..

But, thanks for the read anyway.... It's the off season...YUK


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Scherer said both quarterbacks will have to quickly learn Chudzinski’s offense, an attack-minded scheme that plays to the strength of the personnel.

“It’s outside their comfort level, but that can be good,” said Scherer. “Both will have to focus and turn the heat up a little on themselves so they can be best evaluated.”





So I may just be reading this wrong but Chud's offense plays to the strengths of the players but its outside the comfort level of Frye and Anderson?




I thought it meant that the offensive approach is different under Chud...

Attack style vs. More laid back style (hoping to get a 1st down)..

Frye is not use to attacking anyone.. lol.. he just goes out and plays.. I really hope that the Browns DO NOT draft a QB though.. seriously.. I think Frye can get the job done with more talent around him, especially @ RB, and of course O-line.


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He's not stupid enough to throw Frye or Anderson under the bus so I don't know what anyone expects him to say


That was exactly what I was going to say....LOL

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Pete, I'm as sure as I can be that if we sat down over a couple of beers, that we would probably agree on a ton of things.... We are after all,, Browns fans,,,,Right


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As most of you have pointed out, this article is lame. The most interesting thing is a statement that has been out there for awhile.


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Scherer said both quarterbacks will have to quickly learn Chudzinski’s offense, an attack-minded scheme that plays to the strength of the personnel.




What kind of an offense is that? Can it get any more generic? Methinks it is the name of an offense that sounds good to the media and the fans. More front office PR and BS.

Seriously, how many offenses have the goal of retreating and plays to the weaknesses of the personnel?


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"So I may just be reading this wrong but Chud's offense plays to the strengths of the players but its outside the comfort level of Frye and Anderson?"

Outside of their comfort level...meaning they got new stuff to learn. This doesn't mean outside of their abilities.

"Comfort level" in the NFL is usually associated with the MENTAL part of the game.

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That's how I read it as well.

Any coach who is going to say we are going to play an attack offense(no chit ex-lax??) isn't going to sit there and say his qb's aren't capable players.


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“He said this is a fresh start for me and after he watched Philip Rivers take over the offense in San Diego last year, I think he expects the same from me,” said Frye. “I’m excited to have a fresh face in here, a guy that doesn’t know anything about anybody. It’s about what you do from now on. I also think he’ll command more respect than hiring somebody from within .”





This was the one thing in this article that I found interesting. Wished this would have been probed more in-depth

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I thought it meant that the offensive approach is different under Chud...

Attack style vs. More laid back style (hoping to get a 1st down)..

Frye is not use to attacking anyone.. lol.. he just goes out and plays.. I really hope that the Browns DO NOT draft a QB though.. seriously.. I think Frye can get the job done with more talent around him, especially @ RB, and of course O-line.




Laid back????? The Browns were so laid back they were comotose.


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Well, I hope whoever Crennel picks as his starting QB is the one that lasts the whole year. Not Anderson one week, and then Frye the next (2003)...

But I do honestly believe that this offense will be diffrent in 2007, if it isn't much better, than I will be one disappointed dawg.

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in order for that to happen, the OL will need improvement.


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C'mon.... Couch one week and Holcomb the next week gave us something to talk about other than attacking one QB all of the time. We were able to attack both Qbs all of the time....


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Seriously, how many offenses have the goal of retreating and plays to the weaknesses of the personnel?



well...that would be like pigheadedly trying to 'establish' the run, because the media and fans enjoyed the Jim Brown days...when in actuality your OL cannot open holes for the backs...and your backs are not the greatest.
Or running deep pass paterns with 7 step drops when your OL cannot protect that long.
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Even though this article is "hen" talk, we can still argue about nothing? Right? Here, let me throw a subject out there, the Great Wall is neither Great, nor is it a Wall.... Discuss amongst yourselves.


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in order for that to happen, the OL will need improvement.




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I think it would have been more interesting if Rip would have said that he wanted a new QB..

What is he supposed to say?

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What? He doesn't like Dorsey too?



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I agree.

Funny, Dorsey played for him at Miami.

Wouldn't it be funny if Dorsey does it again.

I for one don't think Dorsey stinks as badly as most do. In the right situation he could do well....and that situation could be here....you just never know.

I mean he did get recruited to play for Miami and didn't end up at Akron.


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I agree.

Funny, Dorsey played for him at Miami.

Wouldn't it be funny if Dorsey does it again.

I for one don't think Dorsey stinks as badly as most do. In the right situation he could do well....and that situation could be here....you just never know.

I mean he did get recruited to play for Miami and didn't end up at Akron.






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Fine.

Now ask me if I care about what you think.


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Peen you and I have disagreed about QB's since the beginning... But on this point, I think we can finally agree... I don't care who the dang QB of the Browns is,,,,,As long as he wins..

If it's Dorsey,, I'm gonna be just fine with that..No Problem whatsoever..

If he's winning,,,,that's all that really and truly matters to me....

I'm just guessing here, but if I was the QB of the Browns (as if that would or could ever happen) and I won games,,,, You would be OK with me being there,....Just a guess however


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But on this point, I think we can finally agree...




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I am not dissing them....nor am I saying Dorsey should be our starter as some seem to think.

But facts are facts. Miami is generally going to get way better players than Akron. Over the past 25 years, had Akron played Miami on a yearly basis, Akron would be lucky to have 1 win.

You know it, I know it...thus the basis for my statement.


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I agree.

Funny, Dorsey played for him at Miami.

Wouldn't it be funny if Dorsey does it again.

I for one don't think Dorsey stinks as badly as most do. In the right situation he could do well....and that situation could be here....you just never know.

I mean he did get recruited to play for Miami and didn't end up at Akron.






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No kidding... and for those of us that are Akron alumni... I don't really appreciate the "end up at Akron" remark. Lets look at the NFL draft as a talent evaluation, not High School. Charlie goes beginning of the 3rd round... Dorsey goes 7th round. What has Dorsey done that makes him seem valuable? Dorsey sucks.

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I know...just messin around.

So far the only good player to come out of Akron is Jason Taylor. I agree fully about it doesnt matter, Romeo could be the QB as long as we win. I dont really care, I just want Ws

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I hope he has a good arm because his mobility sucks, I'm sure.


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No kidding... and for those of us that are Akron alumni... I don't really appreciate the "end up at Akron" remark.




It has nothing to do with Akron as a school. It's probably every bit as good as Miami.

If my observation bothers you, whatever you do, don't start to compile a list of professional players who went to Akron v who went to Miami(of Florida )....you will really get upset looking at that.


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Fine.

Now ask me if I care about what you think.




You do...

But here's the real test...walk into ANY front office in the NFL and say you think Player A from Big School is AUTOMATICALLY better than Player B from little school...see what response you get...

In Peen's world, Warren Sapp (Miami U) >> Jason Taylor (Akron)...right Peen, there's your logic...

What makes matters worse is you're talking about Ken Dorsey...

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