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If available I think Carrington would be the best player available. I could see Cirion Black at that spot if he is still around.
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I am beginning to like Jimmy Graham. If he's available in the 4th round I think he'd be a very good value. 6'6'' 260 pounds, and ran a 4.56 forty. He's obviously raw because he only played one year of college football, but I think he would be a great pick in the mid-rounds. Especially for a team, like us, who is starving for a pass catching tight end.
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I love Jimmy Graham, and he would be a great pick in the 4th, if he somehow falls.
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How come no one is talking up cj spiller? He's been phenominal all year and now ran a 4.2 40 at the combine. This kids the real deal. Are we too high to snatch him? He would instantly amp up our running game. Harrison, CJ, and Cribbs in the wildcat... hmmm
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I wouldn't take him at 7 as far as the Browns are concerned, but a situated team that needs a RB would be foolish not to take him high in the draft.
I could see him and Davis reunited with Harrison leading the group. Although as much as I like Harrison, Spiller would not take long to take the lead.
After today, I want Gerhart if possible in the third. I think after today though, he won't last that long.
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IDK... I'm not saying we should take him at 7. I just think he's the next LT or AP... the next all pro back to come out of college. I get stuck every year watching acc games cuz of my area, this kid is impressive imo.
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I just think he's the next LT or AP...
Spiller is more along the lines of a Marshall Faulk type back.
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If Benn is there in the Second rd, I want him. He's the one WR I am getting behind in this year's draft. I would be pissed obv if we drafted him at #7 but as a late 1st/early 2nd I think he's amazing value.
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This draft is incredibly deep. It's great that we are even discussing the possibility of getting a player like Benn in the 2nd round.
The more and more I think about it, the more I think we need to get at least one more pick in the 2nd round. I always hope we trade down, from #7 this year, but this year we have enough picks where trading up into the 2nd round is a possibility.
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the more I think we need to get at least one more pick in the 2nd
Ya never know, Trade away our first round for a teams 2nd round in this years draft, another pick in this years draft and thier 2nd next year, save us money this year and would give us a extra 2nd next year. Never know I'm sure Holgrams looking at all the possiblities.
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Given the combination of his measureables AND college production (1,700+ all purpose yards and 16 TD's on only 252 touches last season) would anyone here CONSIDER him at 7?
Clearly you trade down if you can but man I would be hard pressed to pass on an all-purpose back as talented as Spiller if Berry was off the board (especially with how little mileage is on his frame). I like Haden, I just don't know if he's a top 10 corner.
I think I would prefer a RB/DB combo of C.J. Spiller (round 1) / Patrick Robinson (round 2) vs. Joe Haden (round 1) / Jahvid Best (Round 2).
Maybe it's just me but Spiller looks like he's going to be an absolute weapon. Very few guys are incredibly productive in college AND show really well at the combine. My only thought has been, if Jerome Harrison can light teams on fire behind our OL, what could Spiller do?
The sensible thing is obviously to avoid a skill position at #7 (if possible) but with his production, coupled with his very good measurables, he seems like a sure thing at RB (something we haven't had in a LOOOONG time).
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Spiller would be nice. - I don't know if he's big enough though. I think Holmgren may try to get Toby Gerhart later on in round two. - Trade back into the round.
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I would take the Haden/Best combo over Spiller/Robinson every time.
Best was just as much of a weapon as Spiller before he got injured. Getting him in the 2nd round would be a steal.
I don't think we should even think about taking a RB until after the 2nd round as we have far greater needs and this RB class is very deep.
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I think I would prefer a RB/DB combo of C.J. Spiller (round 1) / Patrick Robinson (round 2) vs. Joe Haden (round 1) / Jahvid Best (Round 2).
Agreed 110%. Haden is good, but he's not Charles Woodson or Deion Sanders, and not worthy of the #7 overall pick.
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I would take the Haden/Best combo over Spiller/Robinson every time.
Best was just as much of a weapon as Spiller before he got injured. Getting him in the 2nd round would be a steal.
My only problem with Best is his head injuries. What did he have, 2 concussions in the span of a few weeks, one where he was knocked unconscious? Concussions can derail a career, especially at RB, VERY quickly. Throw in the fact that he had ankle and elbow surgery before his junior season and I wouldn't want to spend a 2nd round pick on that kind of player. Seems like somewhat of a glass man. For an undersized RB, that's obviously not a good thing.
He has talent no doubt but if the argument to pass on Spiller at #7 is the depth of the RB class, I don't see why you would then consider taking a gamble on an undersized RB with injury concerns in the 2nd? If the class is as deep as some are saying, I think you'd take a guy with less questions surrounding him as there should be plenty of bodies available.
My preference is clearly NOT to take a RB at #7 but I think the front office is kind of in a tough spot. Spiller is a homerun guy (9TD's of 50+ yards last season). Do you pass on someone like that for a good but not great CB? If they really like Haden, then he seems like the most reasonable pick there, I just personally am not 100% sold on him. A lot of experts are though, so it could be a case where I just need to stick to my day job. 
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He has talent no doubt but if the argument to pass on Spiller at #7 is the depth of the RB class, I don't see why you would then consider taking a gamble on an undersized RB with injury concerns in the 2nd? If the class is as deep as some are saying, I think you'd take a guy with less questions surrounding him as there should be plenty of bodies available.
I said I would rather have the combo that you presented of Haden/Best over the other combo. Also, as I said, I would rather not take any RB's until after round two because we have more pressing needs and the RB talent pool is deep. Usually on draft day RB's drop which means a player like Toby Gerhart, Jonathan Dwyer, LeGarrette Blount, Anthony Dixon, and/or Ben Tate will be available in the 3rd round.
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Also, as I said, I would rather not take any RB's until after round two because we have more pressing needs and the RB talent pool is deep.
Agreed.
To touch on that, I think Gerhart is the sort of rb that Holmgren likes. - Big, strong, and athletic. - Kinda like Tom Rathman, Roger Craig, Edgar Bennett, and Shaun Alexander.
I would not be surprised to see us take Gerhart sometime in round 2 and definitely with our first pick in the 3rd round - if he's available.
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If we could draft two guys in our current slots and still get Gerhard I would be happy.
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So would I. - He's a great football player. He's also a great baseball player. - Not that the baseball side matters much, but it does prove that we would be getting a top notch athlete. - Which means he can play more than one position - rb, fb, special teams.
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Well....what position in baseball does he play? I wouldnt call a pitcher or 1b an athlete. (Bob Wickman, Daivd Wells, Pronk, Peralta, etc...)
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That means he's got some wheels and he can catch! Throw in wr to the mix of positions Gerhart can play! 
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Joe Haden ran a 4.61 and 4.58 40 this morning. That's slow as hell for a CB. Malcom Jenkins ran a 4.53 forty and he slipped to pick 14.
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Trade picks and up for Suh. 
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Joe Haden ran a 4.61 and 4.58 40 this morning. That's slow as hell for a CB. Malcom Jenkins ran a 4.53 forty and he slipped to pick 14.
I'm with ya man. I've been saying all along that Haden is not worth a top 10 pick. Haden is not as good as Malcolm Jenkins was, however, I would be cool if we traded back to 14 and grabbed him there.
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I can't agree with that. Haden is a much better prospect than Jenkins.
I don't care about the 40 times. Haden has the speed to play corner. He's a lot faster than a lot of guys who have had better times.
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I can't agree with that. Haden is a much better prospect than Jenkins.
I don't care about the 40 times. Haden has the speed to play corner. He's a lot faster than a lot of guys who have had better times.
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I can't agree with that. Haden is a much better prospect than Jenkins.
I don't care about the 40 times. Haden has the speed to play corner. He's a lot faster than a lot of guys who have had better times.
Validation or confirmation will come when and if Haden runs at his pro-day. He'll either stop the questions or start the slide. I'll wait until then to see how he does............
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He looked real slow at the start of the run, like he did not know how to start.
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He looked real slow at the start of the run, like he did not know how to start.
then it's a good thing that he doesn't have to set up in starting blocks when playing football 
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I can't agree with that. Haden is a much better prospect than Jenkins.
I don't care about the 40 times. Haden has the speed to play corner. He's a lot faster than a lot of guys who have had better times.
Validation or confirmation will come when and if Haden runs at his pro-day. He'll either stop the questions or start the slide. I'll wait until then to see how he does............
Even though I was not incredibly high on him before he ran, I would have to agree. I find it hard to believe Haden is that slow. 4.6 for someone believed to be an elite corner is somewhat disappointing (and Haden has even said that himself in post workout interviews).
I've always thought putting too much stock in a 40 time, especially for a DB is somewhat silly. When you're talking .2 tenths of a second, there are a handful of things a good DB can do to counter such a "speed" disparity. A good hip turn, anticipation, re-directing a receiver with your hands / body, cutting off a route, etc., etc. etc,. If the team likes Haden, I would hope his 40 time wouldn't effect our evaluation of him but who knows.
Berry showing up and exceeding expectations surely didn't help Haden either. He could now be viewed as both the #1 saaety and #1 corner prospect. For his sake I hope he runs well at his pro-day.
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Taylor Mays.... told you all he was gonna tear it up at the combine. Dont think we will take him at #7 but this kid is going to be onehelluva safety. 230 and runs a 4.3. People keep talking about Berry. But in comparison Mays has 20 lbs, 3 inches, and runs faster.
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And the tape shows that he isn't nearly as good.
40 times and workouts get so overrated.
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Not even close to being as good.
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How u figure? His junior year he was the top safety in the nation and considered a top 10 pick if he came out. Not sure what happened his senior year. USC as a whole look like they played half ass all year. I like Berry but dont see a major gap between the two.
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His junior year he was also surrounded by experienced talent (Cushing, Maualuga, Ellison, Maiava, Matthews, Moala, Moore). He was considered a top 10 pick because he thrived in his limited role and everyone knew he was an athletic freak. USC did look like they tanked it a little bit last year and Taylor Mays was supposed to be the leader of that defense.
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I'll tell ya what... I want Mays and Berry I see a lot of pain delivering hits to players in Mays. After he hits them... they get carted off the field. He strikes fear into people with his hits. Plus he is freakishly fast. I would trade over half my draft to land those two and take care of our outfield. It would force teams to throw short with out patterns (no one would want to run thru the middle) and run the ball more plus the forced fumbles would be thru the roof!
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