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The Wizards are still waiting on a firm offer for Antawn Jamison from the Cavaliers.
"The ball is in Cleveland's court," one source told ESPN.com. "If Cleveland comes back with a firm offer based on the potential deals they discussed, I think the Wizards will move Jamison."
At least one potential deal discussed with Cleveland on Tuesday (Jamison and Mike James for Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Jamario Moon) would put the Wizards below the tax this season.
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At least one potential deal discussed with Cleveland on Tuesday (Jamison and Mike James for Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Jamario Moon) would put the Wizards below the tax this season.
This is what I'm hoping for.  That would be awesome! 
BTW Mike James is in the last (option) year of his contract, so he's off the books (and the bench) after the season.
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I'm about ready to implode! SOMEBODYMAKEATRADEALREADY!!!  Right now it looks like the Jamison deal is most likely (with a side order of Wright) ... but hopefully this is Plan-B to help push the trigger finger on the Amar'e deal. I've talked myself into that one! Downside of Amar'e is ... we don't know if he'll resign. We could pick him up this year, and then everyone bails on us at season's end. Where would that leave us? Jamison at least gives us another 3 years of service (Granted .... it will be at a slow, aging decline). Still ... if we get Amar'e to sign an extension, and Lebron re-signs ... holy heck! Look out!
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as long as we immediately cut Mike James.
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The GOOD news is it looks like a pretty good chance that we get either Jamison or Amar'e, and I can live with one of those two. No more talk of Murphy or Maggette!
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I'm about ready to implode! SOMEBODYMAKEATRADEALREADY!!!
Right now it looks like the Jamison deal is most likely (with a side order of Wright) ... but hopefully this is Plan-B to help push the trigger finger on the Amar'e deal. I've talked myself into that one!
Downside of Amar'e is ... we don't know if he'll resign. We could pick him up this year, and then everyone bails on us at season's end. Where would that leave us? Jamison at least gives us another 3 years of service (Granted .... it will be at a slow, aging decline). Still ... if we get Amar'e to sign an extension, and Lebron re-signs ... holy heck! Look out!
we can pay amare more than anyone else right? (assuming we make the deal)
would he pass up the money to play in new york? it is his old coach, but maybe seeing how defensive basketball wins chips and dantoni's garbage style doesn't he may pass up.
who knows.
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we can pay amare more than anyone else right? (assuming we make the deal)
Yes, we can give him the max deal (we'd have his Bird rights) ... question is, do we WANT to pay him max money? I guess we can make that call in the off-season. In the summer, I was sort of hoping this would happen with Bosh ... where Toronto was out of the running, and Toronto would trade him just to get SOMETHING ... and then we'd have the Bird rights to two superstars. This works just as well.
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would he pass up the money to play in new york? it is his old coach, but maybe seeing how defensive basketball wins chips and dantoni's garbage style doesn't he may pass up.
who knows.
Or the downside ... he comes to town and convinces Lebron to come with him to New York at a reduced rate. 
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the biggest question to me is do we want to pay Amare a max deal....
1. CBA will have max deals and cap down....having 2 max players could hurt us.
2. Knee, Eye injuries....knees especially.
3. Questionable work ethic...especially on defense.
4. Prone to some sulliness in the past when he wasn't getting enough love from media/teammates....may want to be THE star.
but, as i mentioned all that can go away if he wants to go to NY....we might very well be able to get David Lee and another FA back in exchange (they might have to entice him with a max deal through a sign-n-trade with us).
I actually prefer that option to us getting Amare long-term....I like him now when he's anxious to prove he's worth the big contract more than I like him after he gets it.
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 good point. I moved to DC in June from Berea, and it makes me sick to even think about watching them on TV....
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I think, if we get Amare, and he plays like we expect, and legitimately fulfills his role as a real #2. We sign him to a max.
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the biggest question to me is do we want to pay Amare a max deal....
The good news is ... we'll have until July or so to make that call. If he doesn't fit in with the offense or shows any lazy tendencies, we can let him walk. The good news is, we'd have the Bird rights to him so we can A) Sign him to more than anyone else if we wanted to ... and B) Don't have to worry about the cap to do it. If New York wants to sign him and any other superstar ... they can't go over the cap to do it, which means they could have extremely limited options. We could sign both him and Lebron to max deals, and be fine.
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2. Knee, Eye injuries....knees especially.
I dont see those as any concern at all.
I could be wrong but he only had the one knee injury right? Granted it was a big injury, but he came back fine from it and I dont think has had any issues since?
The eye injuries were both freak accidents, its unfortunate something like that happened twice, but it was just coincidence. he also wears goggles now to prevent it from happening again.
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Yeah, I remember him complaining so vigorously when Minnesota dumped traded KG to the Celtics ... oh wait, no I don't. 
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3. Questionable work ethic...especially on defense.
I disagree with this, my buddies have said other than Nash, Amare is one of the hardest workers on the team. It's not his fault their coaches don't want to play D.
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Yeah, ya really can't hold an eye injury against someone. It's not like some eyes are more prone to having fingers coming out of them vs other eyes. Either things that shouldn't be in an eye are in there, or they aren't.... and it isn't like you can condition an eyeball, lol. At some point ya just gotta realize when to say "Stuff Happens" and let it go at that 
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anybody in the league can play defense. when a player is ripped for being horrible defensively it's either coaching or laziness.
amare has the potential to be a very good defender. he's athletic, and he's long. if he puts the work and effort into it, he can be very good,
ray allen wasn't known for his defense in milwaukee and seattle, he goes to boston, and they all make that pact to sacrifice some of the things they are used to doing, for playing defense, and he becomes a decent defender.
plus, with our depth, with powe coming back, with z eventually coming back (all hypothetically speaking of course) mike brown has a cupboard of options he can do, if amare were getting beat by a certain player in a game, he can mix and match to maximize his time on the floor, if we grab amare and get z back, we are LOADED with bigs.
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Still listening to NBA Podcast, they're talking about KG and his play. Thinks he is till playing in a ton of pain and if its not corrected, the celtics are done. Along with Windhorst calling the Vince Carter experiment in Orlando is so far a failure.
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from what i have seen of kg since he returned isn't good. and boston will only go as far as his health takes them. and a trade for nate robinson? i don't get that.
yeah, we all called the orlando trade a failure from the minute it went down. it was obvious. they should have just payed turkoglu. i'm so glad danny ferry is our gm. early on as cavs gm he may have had some bad signings but he would never let a player who was that important to your team just walk.
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i'm so glad danny ferry is our gm. early on as cavs gm he may have had some bad signings but he would never let a player who was that important to your team just walk.
Yup ... even those "bad" signings weren't necessarily his fault. He got the best Free Agent and the two best 3-point shooter on the market that year ... it's too bad that the FA market was so terrible that year that Amon Jones, Donyell Marshall and Larry Hughes were the best it had to offer.
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That was John Paxson ... The biggest reason for Ferry's earlier struggles were due to the fact that Paxson had the team buried 6-feet under with all of his dealings. His last big move for us?? ... Jeri freaking Welsh for a first rounder (which was a pretty high pick too).
This team was LOADED with horrible contracts and stripped of a ton of draft picks, thanks to Paxson.
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danny ferry was not around when the boozer fiasco went down.
and yeah, i agree. ferry went out and got the best possible FA's.
ray allen wasn't coming to cleveland, neither was redd. both were offered more money by other teams that were allowed to do so, much like we will with lbj this summer.
when our money was available, the class just wasn't that good. but remember, lbj had that extension available the following summer and i think the entire organization needed to show him they were serious about contending.
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Oh, ha my mistake. I thought I had all but blocked out Paxton as our GM... 
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the cavs are done. no way do they get past the celts with nate robinson in town. toast.
we're cursed fire mike brown and trade lebron!!!
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He's a scorer, something you can't have enough of come playoffs.
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Yeah .. just like Stephen Marbury!
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Latest from Chad Forde on ESPN:
POSTED: Feb. 17 -- 2:38 p.m. ET
Stoudemire
Chad Ford: All is still quiet on the Amare Stoudemire trade front. As of Wednesday afternoon, sources familiar with the negotiations said the Suns have yet to signal whether the team will trade Stoudemire to the Cavs or Heat -- or whether it will trade him at all.
The Cavs have been pushing for the Suns to give them an answer. But Phoenix is holding out and likely will wait until Thursday to make a decision, according to sources.
Of the two teams vying for Stoudemire, only the Heat have actually received permission from the Suns to speak to Stoudemire's agent. The Cavs, as of Wednesday afternoon, have yet to call.
Still, sources close to the negotiations say that, right now, Cleveland is the front-runner. Why? Because the Heat have yet to offer the Suns a deal that would beat the Cavs' offer of Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson. One source familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that the Heat have yet to offer Michael Beasley or either of their two first-round picks.
"I'm not sure Miami is willing to pay the price for Amare," a Suns source told ESPN.com. "We have to get something for him. We're not giving him away. If Miami gets serious, then I think they would get him. But right now, they are not showing they're serious."
Is there a possibility Stoudemire won't be traded at all?
"It's possible," the Suns source said. "We haven't been blown away with an offer yet."
If the Suns decide to keep Stoudemire, it could be a rocky few months. A source familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that the Suns and Stoudemire have ended all talks on a contract extension. If Stoudemire plays out the season in Phoenix, he'll likely leave this summer.
"He's being personally wooed by LeBron James and Dwyane Wade," the source said. "On the other side, he's being actively shopped by the Suns. He feels like he may be more wanted elsewhere."
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same story different year. Phx suns are getting gun shy. If the deal is on the table for Jamison I think the Cavs should do it and say screw you phx.
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yes, but flip everything around. this is a pretty good player they are giving up. i don't blame them for probably waiting until the final hours for the best possible deal.
it sucks for us, but i know ferry is going to do the right thing. and hell, if he does nothing i still love this team.
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yes, but flip everything around. this is a pretty good player they are giving up.
Agreed ... They are going to get taken behind the woodshed on just about any trade offer they take, but it's probably better than letting Amar'e leave for nothing.
On the bright-side, it would seem we have several "Plan-B" options we can take ... and even if they all fall through, we still have the best team in the league.
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wait a second....I thought the Cavs didn't have anything but LeBron...it's LeBron and trash (according to ESPN at least) I guess Joe Johnson with his star-studded team (JoeJ, Horford, Josh Smith) missed that memo: Quote:
“They’re (Cavs) trying to stack it. Trying to do whatever it takes to keep 23 (James) there,” Johnson told RealGM. “Not only that, they’re really, really trying to shoot for a title. With what they have now it’s a possibility, but getting Amare makes it even stronger. They’re just being selfish.”
Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_feature/1624/2.../#ixzz0fpO98erv
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