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I'm pretty unhappy this morning, I get an email out of the blue saying that I'm banned for 3 days for persistent posting of "rumors".
Now I wouldn't mind so much if I had any sort of warning ... but I saw nothing. I was able to read through the thread this morning and found an older post of mine was edited and now said: "your twittering will get you a vacation" ... but how am I supposed to go back and see that?? I don't get notification that my older posts have been changed, and you usually don't go back and re-read your old posts. A quick private message would of taken the same amount of time, would of got my attention, and I would of been more than happy to comply.
As far as actually using Twitter as a source ... I'm was only using legitimate NBA sources as references, and as far as I remember, I linked each as so. These aren't some random, in-the-know barber of Lebron type sources. These are the guys who write the actual stories on ESPN, Yahoo, the Plain Dealer ... breaking their story on Twitter before printing it on their website.
I've also seen nothing regarding Twitter as an illegal source. The rules listed on this website state this:
RUMORSIf you cannot cite a source when posting information to the board, please do not post it at all. Saying that you saw something on television or heard it on the radio is not sufficient as a valid source. Rumors do not lend to valid discussion and will be removed when seen by a moderator.
No mention of Twitter not being an allowable source. In the past blogs of legitimate writers were allowed, and I assumed that would carry over to Twitter. All sources I used were cited, and as I mentioned before were legitimate NBA sources. They DID lend to valid discussion ... and part of the fun of the trade deadline is talking about the potential of trades to go through with fellow fans ... not twiddling your thumbs and pretending nothing is happening until a finalized trade is printed on ESPN.com from the same source that had been twittering it for the last 2 hours.
As to all of that ... I'm wondering why I'm the only one that seems to have received a 3-day ban, while everyone else continues to post rumors of what they are hearing from various sources?
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Agreed.
They'll probably tack on another week or so for "ghosting" now lol.
During the MLB trade deadline, I was posting things from mlbtraderumors.com, and got a week long ban for it. No warnings what-so-ever.
All of those stories were true, and not rumors, but were removed and I was banned because there was "rumors" in the domain name.
All the refs will tell you is "Get over it. You knew better", then lock the thread.
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https://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/577978/an/0/page/1#Post577978No tweeting, twitting, twooting or twatting allowed. Has been that way, ummmmmmmmmmm.....forever. And ghosting as you did here is highly frowned upon. A big no-no. Not supposed to do it. Tsk tsk. But equal and consistent enforcement of the rules would be a big help too...... This thread will self-destruct in some undetermined matter of seconds, minutes, hours or days whenever a mod stumbles upon it by chance.
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No tweeting, twitting, twooting or twatting allowed. Has been that way, ummmmmmmmmmm.....forever.
So I'm supposed to keep up with all Ref forum threads since the beginning of time?? Twitter has only been mainstream for about a year now, and I've heard NOTHING of any policy up until now. Blogs that appear on official sites have been allowed, you would think twitter posts from those same writers would also be allowed.
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And ghosting as you did here is highly frowned upon. A big no-no. Not supposed to do it. Tsk tsk.
Heavy handed moderation is usually heavily frowed upon too. 
All I would of liked was a small warning or clarification of the "policy" before suddenly handing down a 3-day ban. The only "warning" I got was a post re-edit that was buried on the 2nd page of the thread.
But I suppose if some refs would prefer to flex some sort of internet-muscle rather than effectively moderate and explain reasoning behind something, then that's up to them. All I really want is some answers. 
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But equal and consistent enforcement of the rules would be a big help too...
The freedom to talk with fellow fans about your favorite teams' potential roster moves coming from reliable sources, on an UNOFFICIAL fan forum would be nice too, but I guess we can't all get what we want.
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WHAT HAPPENS IF I BREAK THE RULES?In most cases, a single violation of the rules is not cause for alarm. However, if it is seen by the moderators that a poster is continually violating the terms of service, that poster will lose their posting privileges. We DO NOT send out warning e-mails, as the rules are clearly defined. Everything is looked at on a case-by-case basis. If you find that your posting privileges have been revoked, feel free to send an e-mail and ask why if you are unsure as to why you have been suspended from posting.
I spent a hour cleaning up one thread yesterday morning. Rumors and twitter have never been allowed on the board. Twitter has been discussed several times on this board and you are not the first to be banned for using it as a source.
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This board is about a year or two behind the times on EVERYTHING.
Seriously, with NFL FA coming up these rules need a serious look-see because Twitter has become the go-to medium legitimate reporters.
I mean seriously, when you KNOW the Twitter account is Brian Windhorst and he posts things on Twitter 4 hours before he does Cleveland.com, how are we supposed to wait, especially when other boards are talking about it?
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Just my $0,02 worth .......
Just as the word "blog" in an address needed to be looked at and corrected, so does "Twitter". Many mainstream reporters use Twitter, linked from the newspaper website, as a source of breaking news. It's not some nefarious plot ...... it's simply a way for the reporters we post information from every day to get the information out immediately as opposed to having someone else send the code up to the website.
Times change, and more rapidly than ever. Rules made a year or 2 ago wirth the best of intentions may not be appropriate today. Maybe you could allow Twitters from a reporter, (either print or TV/Radio) while still disallowing those that are "homemade" versions?
Also, I try to keep up on the rules ..... but I really didn;t realize that someone could/would be banned for posting a Twitter linked from the PD website. (for example) To me that would have been just another link.
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I agree, YTown!
I haven't gotten involved in the Twitter/tweeting frenzy, but I know MANY people use it and have requested I use it for my stores.
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When this issue first came up I was very against it. I figure any idiot can create an account and claim to be whoever he wants.
However as Twitter has grown it has become a valuable tool in the media industry. If you go to just about any web page you will see twitter being used to get your news.
ESPN has a seperate section just for twitter updates. Many times this is the only place something is reported on the site.
Right now this site reminds me of the old man who refuses to go out and buy a DVD player because he is suborn and his VCR works just fine. At some point it's OK to admit you might be wrong and try to catch up with the times.
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That's funny. I almost used Beta as my example. 
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This board will start making changes just about the time shep gets over himself. Any bets when that will be? 
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I third this.
I don't think that someone like Ammo's, my twitter account should be allowed on here. But someone like Adam Schefter, Peter King, or even Zach Jackson should be allowed. Blogs from them would be permitted, so why shouldn't their tweets be?
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This board will start making changes just about the time shep gets over himself.
Any bets when that will be?
Wow, talk about being behind in the times....Shep hasn't been a ref on this board for a long time now. 
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Right now this site reminds me of the old man who refuses to go out and buy a DVD player because he is suborn and his VCR works just fine. At some point it's OK to admit you might be wrong and try to catch up with the times.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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I agree with Ytown. Heck I even use Twitter and Facebook for my hotel marketing and updates. And my place is just a little itty bitty nothing.
Legitimate sources are legit no matter how they get you the information.
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Any bets when that will be?
Wow, talk about being behind in the times....Shep hasn't been a ref on this board for a long time now.
He never said he was.
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My question is...why is the user name "Ghost of Excl" allowed here? 
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I was wondering the same thing
Anyways it's time for the old farts on here to catch up with the times. 
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Anyways it's time for the old farts on here to catch up with the times.
Ahh, you youngsters have no idea about tradition do ya?
Personally, as long as it's a reporter, I'm not sure why Blog links aren't allowed. If Grossi has a blog (not sure he does), what's the difference between quoting him from an article or from his blog? is there a difference..
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My question is...why is the user name "Ghost of Excl" allowed here?
It's not ... Refs didn't return my email, and I wanted an explaination. So I broke the rules to create a ghost account to finally get some answers. That account is now banned as I expected it would be ... since that actually breaks a rule I knew existed.
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I would agree that legitimate twitter sources should be considered. It's not like it's Joe Smoe thinking this or that will happen.. it's often a reporter who has sources and will eventually have a news article about it..
Though I think a warning that an action is inappropiate should be considerd rather than just outright banning. with a warning, they at least get the chance to know what is wriong before they continue to do it over and over again.. We cannot learn from our mistakes if we do not know what mistakes we made.
and i really do not see where the rules are clearer written in terms of what sources are ok, and which are not. Twitter and blogs are not mentioned in the rules.. just other message boards,.
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My question is...why is the user name "Ghost of Excl" allowed here?
It's not ... Refs didn't return my email, and I wanted an explaination. So I broke the rules to create a ghost account to finally get some answers. That account is now banned as I expected it would be ... since that actually breaks a rule I knew existed.
Oh, it was YOU! Hahaha. I thought someone was playing a game with your name.
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http://connect.cleveland.com/user/bwindhor/index.htmlHere is the Cleveland Cavaliers' beat writer's page on the Plain Dealer's site. It includes links to his blog and Twitter page ..... both of which, IMHO, should be legitimate sources for the board. I would guess that most major sports reporters have similar blogs and Twitters. Maybe an update of the rules allowing pages of this type for local newspaper, TV, and radio reporters, and national writers only? (In other words, no amateurs)
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WHAT HAPPENS IF I BREAK THE RULES?
In most cases, a single violation of the rules is not cause for alarm. However, if it is seen by the moderators that a poster is continually violating the terms of service, that poster will lose their posting privileges. We DO NOT send out warning e-mails, as the rules are clearly defined.
That's the problem. They are NOT clearly defined. I posted the entire section from "Rumors", and it says nothing about Twitter. It also says you must cite the link from where you got the story ... which I did.
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I did ... I didn't get any response back.
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I spent a hour cleaning up one thread yesterday morning.
You could of saved yourself about 58 minutes of time with one simple. "In case people aren't aware of the rule, Twitter posts are not allowed."
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Rumors and twitter have never been allowed on the board. Twitter has been discussed several times on this board and you are not the first to be banned for using it as a source.
That's nice ... but it's still not clearly defined anywhere. Shep referenced a thread over 6 months old, and the next closest thing I found was over 2 months old. Both were listed in the Refs Forum, which I'm sorry to say, is not read by everyone on the forum. Not everybody on the forum has the luxary of reading every single thread ever posted on the forum and knowing ever single decision determined in some random thread from several months ago. Ytown had never heard of such a "no Twitter rule", I never heard anything ... that's over 10,000 posts between us and we had no idea. Judging by the number of other people on that thread referencing Twitter, I think it's safe to assume that it's apparently not a very clear rule.
Banning somebody for three days for breaking an obscure rule, that not many people know about, is pretty "overkill" if you ask me. If I was supposed to "learn a lesson" I didn't. The only thing I learned was that maybe the boards aren't as well moderated as I originally thought.
As for the Twittering policy, this needs to be reviewed. As I mentioned originally, the people cited were legitimate sports writers, posting breaking news on their twitter accounts. I don't see how this hurts anything. Blogs from these writers are allowed, Stories on ESPN/Yahoo/Cleveland-com are allowed, why shouldn't their Twitter posts? We're grown adults here ... we can tell the difference between somebody claiming to be Antwan Jamison's agent's roomate, and a legitimate beat writer breaking a story. As long as the source is continue to be cited, I think most people can determine what a reliable source is and what bunk is.
Ironically enough, the "sketchiest" story posted during the NBA trading deadline was from ESPN.com itself, saying that we were looking at trading Shaq for Jamison and Miller. Both teams quickly scuttled that rumor as soon as it appeared. Meanwhile, Brian Windhorst was giving up to the minute, accurate updates about the Amar'e trade situation, via Twitter.
As far as rumors in general, why not?? Much of the stuff posted on "legit" internet sports sites themselves are nothing more than rumors from "unnamed sources" ... as long as the link is cited, people can quickly weed out the cred from the crud. This is supposed to be an "internet" forum right? Shouldn't fans be allowed to discuss the potential rumors in real-time, as they come out? If you want to read about dead-certain, sealed-and-delevered transactions, hours after they happen ... then get a newspaper subscription.
I felt the day leading up to the trading deadline was one of the more enjoyable times on this forum. People posting legitimate news/rumors and their sources, people discussing their merits and drawbacks of each story, lots of healthy discussion, lots of anticipation, lots of fun. I don't remember ONE person complaining about any of it. (outside of the Ref)
... but I suppose we can go back to rehashing the same old QB debates over and over again.
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I am TopDawg16, and I approved the above message. 
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Your 5th link is BS (not because of the twitter policy) because that thread was up for SEVERAL hours, perhaps even a day, and was removed even after there were other validating links within it other than Twitter. It should have been edited and allowed to remain since there was very pertinent info and discussion that was ongoing....for a long time before a mod stumbled upon it.
Consistency in moderation would help in cases such as this Twitter whining.....there are twitter posts on the board that have not been removed.......
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Why cant the actual rules be updated to reflect the update? Instead of assuming everyone catches every thread on the board where it may have been discussed?
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You may have also missed this thread ...
I did miss them, since they were all 2 months old or older and also had non-descript names such as: "There was no looking back forum", "weird message" and "what happened to ......"
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Each and every one of these were in the feedback forum.
Exactly my point. Unless you are ref or have had a question yourself (or happen to see an interesting topic name in the index list) ... Most people DON'T read the feedback forum. I'll occasionally pop in here ... and when I have, I never saw anything about twitter. If you don't want people referencing twitter, then please be more descriptive in the "Rules of the Pound" ... or at the very least mention that everybody is required to read every single post ever created in the Fan Feedback forum to get a full refresher on what other rules might have been created outside of the regular ones.
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You were given a three day ban. The three days are over, you ghosted and did not get banned longer for that (which you should have been) you have asked your question and it has been answered. This thread will now be locked. If you wish to discuss it please feel free to PM me.
Great ... there seems to be some disagreement about how the rules are interpreted and conveyed to users ... and also quite a bit of support for a full-on change in the Twitter policy in general. Rather than have some open discussion on it and possibly change the forum for better ... let's just kick some dirt over it and pretend things didn't happen. 
Could we have any comments on the Twittering policy? It would be nice to get either a decent explanation of why that policy is in place or what is being discussed to change it ... not some, "That's how it is, now silence pleebs!"
Many people have made some great points as to why that policy should be changed or modified.
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