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I was right about Reggie Bush when everyone was saying he wouldn't be successful in the NFL. So, I'm going to give my opinion again. Tebow will be the best QB to come out of the draft this year.
I also love how everyone said BQ's game would translate "very well" to the NFL game...we all have seen how that's worked out.
Are you trying to get people to comment on this.  If you are, you're doing a great job.  Simply put bro - You've got to be kidding me.
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I think the value at which he was selected sucks. I mean he doesn't offer the world at RB...
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if we take Tebow in the first... then what?
Then we know for sure Holmgren is not the guy for the Browns.
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Wait, wait, wait. You wouldn't be surprised if we took him at 7. I think you are the only one in the world that wouldn't be surprised if we took Tebow #7. And you wouldn't be unhappy with that pick? Crazy talk. I for one would be thoroughly pissed if we took him at #7 and I'm sure most everyone else on this board would be too.
I AM NOT SAYING THIS WILL HAPPEN...But....
we have a guy at the top of the Browns that clearly understands the QB position.., I don't think anyone could or would question that..
So what if that guy says,, TEBOW is our guy..
On one hand we have you and many others wanna be GM's saying NO to Tebow,,
if we take Tebow in the first... then what?
My reading comprehension says this a pure "what-if" scenario. Not asking if we think it likely, or even possible, and Daman is not saying that he thinks it likely or possible, He's just asking "what-if".
OK, I'll play.
I've said this before. Holmgren knows QBs. I have opinions. Would I want a QB in the 1st? No. But that is based on my extensive experience as a fan. That and a quarter can get me ... 25 cents.
If Holmgren takes Tebow or Clausen or Bradford with that pick, I will trust his judgement. He knows QBs.
If Holmgren passes on Tebow and Clausen and Bradford with that pick, I will trust his judgement. He knows QBs.
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if we take Tebow in the first... then what?
Then we know for sure Holmgren is not the guy for the Browns.
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My reading comprehension says this a pure "what-if" scenario.
Yup, that's exactly what it is,, nothing more.
I really don't think the Browns will take Tebow in any round.. Having said that, one of the requirements holmgren said a QB has to have is competitiveness.
Love him or hate him, Tebow is a competitive guy.
To be fair, MH also said a guy needs to be accurate. There might be a problem there for Tebow.
Again, I doubt we take him in any round.. I really believe we have bigger fish to fry and I also still have this nagging feeling that MH and Heckert have a guy in mind. Someone we aren't even thinking about.. Or they could be eyeing a later round guy to groom.
Either way, Holmgren has a history of QB development.. Ya just gotta trust him..
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That's the thing. It can work great in drills without real bullets firing, but when the pressure is on, he's going to revert to his instinctual release, and that ball is going to drop below his waist. That's going to cause him to lack consistency.
In the long run if he really does want to be a QB, this is something that he must do.........and honestly, should have been done immediately after his college career was over. But this won't change the fact that it's going to be a long, up-hill battle for him.
On a side note, I'm throwing the BS flag at anyone who is critical of Meyer for not changing Tebow's mechanics in college. People like PFT's Flores are bashing him because he says not changing Tebow's motion DOES hurt Meyer because it won't draw the big name recruits.
Bullcrap. 
Meyer won a National Championship with a freshman Tebow being a bit-player, and taking that one step further, he landed Tebow without having won anything at Florida.
I don't blame Meyer one bit. He has one job: Win a COLLEGE CHAMPIONSHIP, not develop NFL QB's. If he keeps winning he's going to draw the greatest players, and in the end that's all that really counts.
Any team drafting him will have to be a team that already has a solid starter but wants a project to be ready in about 2-3 years..it'll take that long for him to adjust and then to fine -tune it..
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it wasn't just one throw in that game.....Tebow looked horrible that whole day (he did have a couple nice runs).
he wasn't hitting his marks, they were taking away the slants and middle of the field and making him throw to the outside....he just could not get it done.
the Gators defense and running game came up huge, but Tebow sure did not look like a NFL QB....
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Reggie Bush is successful?
The ring on his finger sure doesn't hurt his cause.
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I was right about Reggie Bush when everyone was saying he wouldn't be successful in the NFL. So, I'm going to give my opinion again. Tebow will be the best QB to come out of the draft this year.
I also love how everyone said BQ's game would translate "very well" to the NFL game...we all have seen how that's worked out.
We'll see  I truly believe he's the most talented "football player" in the QB class coming out this year.
Are you trying to get people to comment on this. If you are, you're doing a great job. Simply put bro - You've got to be kidding me.
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it wasn't just one throw in that game.....Tebow looked horrible that whole day (he did have a couple nice runs).
I'm not a tebow pimp,, no homerism from me on the gators at all.. But I gotta say this,, one game,, just isn't fair to evaluate anyone. I bet if I look hard enough I'll find several bad games by Montana, Favre, Young, Manning (either one) from college and in the pros..
If you look at Tebows body of work, while you may not think he fits in the pro game,, you would have to be blind to completly miss his athletic ability, competitiveness and all the intangables he brings to the field.
Again, Not saying he's gonna make it as a pro... Cause I really don't know. But you can't look at one game and say he's a bad QB either.
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that is fair....and I hope that I have not but this past year I did only see 4 Florida games, so I may not have the complete picture (Miss St, Fl. St, Bama, Cincy). This game was just a perfect example of Tebow's flaws as a throwing QB, which is why I brought it up.
I have not seen Tebow able to make the longer 'out' throws (either deep-outs or shorter outs to the opposite hash). In addition, his accuracy on the deeper throws has been in question as well.
He seems to have good accuracy on the short to midrange throws over the middle of the field, but that is where that long delivery really hurts him (gives the defense more time to react).
He definitely has escapability in the pocket....and is one of the better QBs at determing when to stick in there and throw and when to run (as opposed to a guy like Pryor that still seems very confused about that portion and often makes the wrong decision....and I do like Pryor).
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I get very antsy with the fact they are "changing" his delivery....I have heard this spiel many times before and it almost always ends up with going back to the original delivery (Vince Young the most recent example).
When you have natural instincts to throw a certain way and you change it, you have to fight your instincts to throw. That just does not work when the bullets are flying in a NFL game.
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finally, I am up for changing my opinion if others have arguments to put out there and it can be backed up by what was seen on the field....
but, the only responses to Tebow's flaws that I have really seen have fallen into 2 categories, which also worry me....
1. Tebow is a great person, he will be a great football player; how dare you question it.
2. The NFL that drafts Tebow will just have to change their entire offensive identity in order to make Tebow successful, and that should be fine.
#2 is obviously a bigger possibility...but still only a slight one.
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I really wish my crystal ball was working.. LOL
Seriously, Tebow has some mad athletic ability. The team that finds a way to harness that ability and channel it will be better off for it.
Tebow may end up being the next Joe Montana for all I know. I'm pretty sure he won't end up being the next Ryan Leaf. Leaf was messed up from the get go. Tebow seems to be a well grounded young man.
Or since you brought him up, he could even end up like Vince Young. Once they stopped trying to change him, they got what they originally drafted..
That's why I'm thinking the best arrangement for Tebow is with a HC or OC that has a real history of taking the strengths of a guy and using them to thier best advantage rather then screw with them...
He needs a Cam Cameron or Charlie Wies or even a Mike Holmgren when he was coaching. Perhaps even Mike Shanahan would do the trick. Or even Norv Turner. They all are capable of coaching a young QB up and get the most out of what they have to offer.
The ravens have thier guy, same with KC I think (is cassel thier guy?) Obviously, San Diego has thier guy which then leaves Washington. Tebow and Shanahan.. interesting! (hey toad, that might let Campbell free LOL)
Someone on here said that Jacksonville would be a marketing jackpot for Tebow and the team.. Is there anyone there that could develop him?
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Reggie Bush is successful?
really... the guy is averaging less than 1000 yards a season if you combine his rushing AND receiving yards... and he's not even in the top 50 in punt return yard average... and his numbers over the 4 years have gotten progressively worse...
He's not a bad football player and he does provide a certain explosive playmaking ability... but if you grade him as the #2 overall pick in the draft, he certainly isn't anywhere NEAR where you'd expect in production.
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When you view it that way, they are getting significantly less production from him than we got from Tim Couch.
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When you view it that way, they are getting significantly less production from him than we got from Tim Couch.
And way way way less than we get from Cribbs....
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And to think, we got Harrison in that draft - who many termed Bush Light at the time (I think it was actually "Poor Man's Bush").
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And he had actually outperformed Bush in their last seasons in college.
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And to think, we got Harrison in that draft - who many termed Bush Light at the time (I think it was actually "Poor Man's Bush").
Yeah, and if the last four games of this past season say anything, it might be that Bush is the Poor Mans Harrison 
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It looked decent, I wish he would have tried this during the senior bowl. 
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WOW,, looks crisper.. nobody chasing him, but still, crisper than before.
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ON changing his delivery and it always reverts back to the old delivery, well Kosar had a side arm delivery sometimes and he got the team one play away from the SuperBowl twice.
On taking Tebow in the 2nd or 3rd maybe, when you are talking about a quarterback you can't argue it is ok to take him in the 2nd yet absurd to take him in the first, unless your hope is for a backup. If you are only hopeing for a backup then you think the starter is either on the team or a signing, or another draft pick.
Did the Quarterback play from last year give you hope for the playoffs if they don't make a change?
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Only time will tell if it is going to be something lasting or just lipstick on a pig.
His old delivery is a Sack-Strip waiting to happen in this league... and I'm willing to bet that during times when he gets hurried, he's gonna forget the new form and old habits, instinct & muscle memory will take him back to the old.
That's not saying he can't do it, but he's got a LONG uphill climb in front of him.
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I hope he meant like 7th pick in the 4th round.
The dolphins took that punt returner from Ohio state in the first round. Last year the Jets took Vernon Davis in the first round. Matt Jones didn't even last to the third round.
If Tim Tebow lasts to the fourth round I will be surprised. Maybe if he is shown to have an injury he will last.
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More on Timmy T. http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/9783/sam-wyche-calls-tebow-eliteSam Wyche calls Tebow 'elite' February, 23, 2010 FEB 23 3:00 PM ET Email Print Share By James Walker It appears former Cincinnati Bengals head coach Sam Wyche is willing to put his football reputation on the line for University of Florida quarterback Tim Tebow. Derick E. Hingle/US Presswire Florida quarterback Tim Tebow should succeed in the NFL according to former Cincinnati Bengals coach Sam Wyche. "If this guy can't be a starting quarterback in the NFL, then I was in the wrong profession for a lot of years," Wyche told Gary Shelton of the St. Petersburg Times. Wyche has a great track record with quarterbacks. He tutored Boomer Esiason in Cincinnati and was the former quarterbacks coach of Joe Montana with the San Francisco 49ers. But Tim Tebow? Wyche is one of the few big names in the NFL community willing to make such a bold prediction for the former Heisman Trophy winner. Tebow was long considered a tremendous college football quarterback who would struggle to translate his skills at the NFL level. Tebow's poor performance in the Senior Bowl certainly didn't help his stock. But Wyche is working closely with Tebow in preparation for workouts and the NFL draft, so perhaps Wyche has an agenda. Either way, Wyche cannot stop singing Tebow's praises. "He's accurate," Wyche told Shelton. "He's smart. He anticipates well. He's a commander in the huddle. He has good footwork... He has agility. He has athleticism. So many things are right about this guy." Wyche is certainly gutsy. He appears fully convinced of Tebow's NFL potential at a time when very few people are. "[Former Bengals owner and coach] Paul Brown used to say to me, 'Don't tell me about how good an athlete a guy is. Tell me about how good a football player he is,'" Wyche said. "I think Tebow is one of the elite."
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Last year the Jets took Vernon Davis in the first round.
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If Tebow can get that delivery to the point where it is something he can use with confidence at his Pro Day, I definitely wouldn't mind picking him up in the 3rd. He's exactly what you want in a quarterback other than his terrible mechanics. A legitimate NFL worthy delivery and I would be willing to take a chance on him that late. 2nd round would really be pushing it though.
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Only time will tell if it is going to be something lasting or just lipstick on a pig.
Oh you didn't just say that did you
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it takes 21 days to make something a habit. hopefully he's been working on it for longer than that. he is definitely one of the more "interesting" prospects in this years draft.
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I have never known when a person didn't need their reputation.
Lot's has been said.....so let's say the things Tim is working on take hold say maybe 80% of the time except under extreme duress....is that good enough???
I say it was good enough without any improvement, so it is going to be better now.
I equate it to pitching since I actually know a little more than most having coached college aged players in summer leagues.
Changing where he holds the ball pre release isn't like changing a pitchers arm angle..which is almost impossible to do.....it is like changing how a pitcher grips the ball or holds the ball from the stretch or how he goes in to his wind-up....those can be changed with relative ease..
It takes work to find the comfort zone, but it can be done and is a process that doesn't take years. It might take a few months.
If Mickey Lolich can learn to throw left handed because his right arm was injured, Tim can learn to hold the ball higher.
Golfers change things in their swing all the time to improve.
It just takes some work....and Tebow isn't afraid to do that.
I'm telling you....SB MVP is in his future...and I am really not being a homer here.
I really hope we have a shot at the guy in round 2.
I am not going to complain if we don't take him because the new guys need to do what they think they need to do, but I sure won't be upset if we do.
I would really like to see us trade down about 10 slots and take Tim at 17.
I know, a bunch of you think I'm nuts....that's cool....my wife does too.....in her words...."Why do you keep renewing those Browns season tickets?"....though she knows I would renew her before I dumped those.....we won't even get in to the conversations about my Gator tickets....but she's a Vol, so I cut her some slack.....and show her a lot of sympathy.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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First, it's been years since I've heard someone mention Mickey Lolich.. I had his card as a kid.
2nd.. I do not think that Tebow is what this team wants. It's obvious that DE and BQ have issues that we dont want them to have. I gotta think we lean toward getting caretaker FA QB and then fix defense and right side OL
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The second this team goes after Tebow is the second someone like Quinn has zero chance.
So IMHO we either take one of the best-bet QB's at the top of the draft, of which Tebow is NOT one, or we don't bother drafting one and go with a free agent vet who can come right in and start.
No in-between's with this situation.
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Did he land a job with Fed-Ex or something?
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