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also, I thought it was you that mentioned the JJ sign-n-trade possibility during the run-up to the trade deadline when it looked like we were keeping him.
nah not me. it's a great idea though.
and that all hinges on what happens in the playoffs.
obviously if we win. i think jj has a pretty big hand in that. and no way would we trade him.
i also don't buy into some of these theories that lbj leaves if we win a chip. like his work is somehow done.
people don't realize how hard it is to win a title in the nba over any other league. in the last 25 years, only 7 franchises have won it all. pistons, bulls, lakers, celtics, spurs, rockets, heat, think about that.
once you have something good enough to win, i don't think you just take off and go to a rebuild project.
especially with how the cavs are. while they do have some old pieces, they also have an array of young guys. we didn't go for the quick fix like miami and boston did. we went with a year by year improvement of the team. and it's held true, the cavs have been better every single year. no way does lbj leave if we win a chip. i think that idea is laughable.
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,...people don't realize how hard it is to win a title in the nba over any other league. in the last 25 years, only 7 franchises have won it all. pistons, bulls, lakers, celtics, spurs, rockets, heat, think about that.
Add in the losers too, please,...then how many ? Bet it's still under half the League.
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honestly, the only way I see LeBron leaving if we win the championship is if Shaq and Z both retire and he can't convince them to return for one more season (leaving us with no true center).
and no, I do no think Shaq retires when he could possibly add to his overall championship total.
I could see Z retiring because he has other priorities in his life, but I would still be surprised to see him walk away from a possible farewell season with the team.
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,...people don't realize how hard it is to win a title in the nba over any other league. in the last 25 years, only 7 franchises have won it all. pistons, bulls, lakers, celtics, spurs, rockets, heat, think about that.
Add in the losers too, please,...then how many ? Bet it's still under half the League.
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us, the mavs, celtics, lakers, jazz, sonics, knicks, 76ers, blazers, nets,
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if anyone has never used that site, it is a wonderful source of info for bball junkies like myself, there is a pro football and baseball one too. never looked up hockey but i'm sure they have one.
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So,...plus or minus, half of the League has "been there" once. In 25 years, you'd think the number would approach 25. Just my opinion.
Bet the Super Bowl runs about the same.
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Toronto is a team that would scare me in the playoffs. They're tall, athletic, have a stud at center and can shoot the 3. (where have I heard this before  )
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depends on if it is a partial or full tear.
i think there is a little bit of silver lining though.
1. we have the depth to get through a blow like that
2. what a perfect time to give shaq rest. he comes back and we have what, another month until playoff time? his legs should be rest. and he gets a month off of taking a beating (because wow, watching him on a nightly basis for the first time, that guy gets abused more than any bballer i have ever seen including lbj)
I was thinking of the exact same thing. Far away are the days of Lebron having to grind it out with guys like Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Damon Jones, Eric Snow, Donyell Marshall, I'll just stop there. Jamison and Powe were benefactors tonight and got a nice up in minutes. I see the silver lining there. The more we can have AJ on the floor now will help us gel all the more quicker. Our front-court depth is just douchey. Love it.
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Toronto is a team that would scare me in the playoffs. They're tall, athletic, have a stud at center and can shoot the 3. (where have I heard this before )
i like bargnani, but let's not compare him to howard. he doesn't require double teams.
toronto has put together a really nice team. i got the toronto broadcast and they had a graphic up. cavs have the best record since dec 18, 2nd best? the raps.
i think they can honestly make a good case for bosh to stick around. turkoglu, barnani, calderon, derozan...
couple that with the fact that toronto can pay more and i think there is a good chance.
bosh said a week or two ago that he thinks he should be a player that teams build around instead of being a player that is put to be built around someone else. which kinda makes you think he could possibly stay and that the whole playing with wade or lebron thing just ain't gonna happen.
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i think they can honestly make a good case for bosh to stick around. turkoglu, barnani, calderon, derozan...
Turk is a great player. - He sunk a key 3 late in the game to tie, and almost won it.
With a healthy Bosh, I'd say Toronto is a legit contender.
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The Fratello and Lucas Cavs did not have this type of problem.
which is why we are so lucky 
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Thought I'd throw this in here...
The Celtics just lost to the Nets - at home. lol, Good job Boston.
That's win #6 on the year for the Nets btw.
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they're done. the east is a two-team race. i cannot wait to face orlando again.
I see your point because I don't think the Hawks could get through us, but I think Atlanta has a shot against Orlando.
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they're done. the east is a two-team race. i cannot wait to face orlando again.
I see your point because I don't think the Hawks could get through us, but I think Atlanta has a shot against Orlando.
hawks have lost i think 8 straight to the cavs counting the sweep from the playoffs. they know they have zero chance. i know a few hawk fans and they have told me they don't think they have a prayer against either team.
has anyone looked at how the playoffs would look if they started today, for the west? amazing, all 4 series would be fun to watch, LAL-POR, DEN-SAS, OKC-DAL, UTA-PHX. the west again shows their depth.
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I dont think LA Por would be fun, it would be a slaughter over at max in 5 games.
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they're done. the east is a two-team race. i cannot wait to face orlando again.
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toronto has put together a really nice team. i got the toronto broadcast and they had a graphic up. cavs have the best record since dec 18, 2nd best? the raps.
I just got around to watching the Toronto game and I also had the Toronto feed, from TSN. They actually were not bad on commentary. Started making excuses about how not having Bosh was more important than us not having Shaq, which is probably true, but outside of that they called the game without much homerism. Maybe I'm just used to AC being super cavalier homer, but I did not mind watching it from the other teams perspective, thought they did a decent job.
Though they really need someone to proofread their graphics, I counted a few times they spelled team with an N instead of an M and they put the wrong picture up a few times when showing a players bio/stats. They also spelled center and defense centre and defence, not errors just a little weird looking 
They also seemed to have a lot to say about Z. Apparently Z gets some respect in toronto, they seemed genuinely worried about how tough we will be when he comes back. They also mentioned the possibility of Z signing with someone else, and that it would be mostly just a play to prevent us from having him, but they were pretty much settled on the idea that he is headed home. Its weird seeing anyone not from Cleveland praise us in the media, but they had mostly good things to say about us all night long.
And for the game, wow Jamison was a great pickup. That guy was playing well and playing hard. He was all over the place, and I'm really not worried about him falling off any time soon. Is he slower than he was when he won 6th man of the year on those really good Dallas teams several years ago? Yeah, he lost a step or two since then, and he isn't the same player who was putting up 30 and 10 against us a few years ago in those playoff series, but he really makes up for it in smarts, hustle, and that sweet jumpshot. He looks like he will fill exactly the role we need him to and give us a solid outing night in and night out, and that sounds pretty good to me.
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i like bargnani, but let's not compare him to howard. he doesn't require double teams.
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Toronto is a team that would scare me in the playoffs. They're tall, athletic, have a stud at center and can shoot the 3. (where have I heard this before )
i like bargnani, but let's not compare him to howard. he doesn't require double teams.
I was reffering to Bosh btw
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j/c Shaquille O'Neal will have surgery to repair injured right thumb, likely out for rest of regular season. By Mary Schmitt Boyer The Plain Dealer February 28, 2010, 8:17PM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cavaliers center Shaquille O'Neal will have surgery on his sprained right thumb on Monday morning in Baltimore, which likely will mean he will be out for the remainder of the regular season. Though the Cavs did not place any time table on O'Neal's return, injuries of this nature that require surgery typically take six to eight weeks to heal. There are seven weeks remaining in the regular season. O'Neal suffered the injury on Thurday at Boston, where Glen "Big Baby'' Davis hit his hand while he was shooting. Television replays later showed Davis pulling on the thumb while defending O'Neal. O'Neal had an MRI on the thumb on Saturday at The Cleveland Clinic. On Sunday, O'Neal and Cavaliers Head Team Physician Dr. Richard Parker visited Dr. Thomas Graham at the National Hand Center in Baltimore. Graham is a renowed hand surgeon who operated on former Cav Larry Hughes in 2006. The surgery will be at Union Memorial Hospital in Baltimore. It will be performed by Dr. Graham, with Dr. Parker assisting. The Cavs will update his status after surgery. O'Neal, obtained in a trade with the Phoenix Suns last June, averaged 12 points and 6.7 rebounds in 53 games with the team this season. The normal recovery time this kind of surgery is 6-8 weeks. In 1995, O'Neal suffered a torn ligament in the thumb that caused him to miss 22 games for the Orlando Magic.  web page
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Don't be too upset. If we get him for the playoffs this is a blessing in disguise. We've figured out how to make him work for our team. He could use the rest for the playoffs.
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"Big Baby" has moved to the top of my basketball you-know-what list.
Get well Shaq.
Nothing to get too upset about though in the grand scheme, at least if he heals up for the playoffs.
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as long as he gets at least a few games in a series before we face orlando, i'm not going to panic.
we're a deep team, we will be fine until then.
i think it's 6-8 on shaq. it'd be nice if it were closer to 6.
soething tells me the big man ain't gonna let us down. he knows how important he means to this team and in the grand scheme of things, to the whole city.
i honestly think our next and final game with orlando, we really need to find a way to get past them without shaq. because you never do know. there has got to be something we can do to stay with them.
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Updated: February 28, 2010, 3:52 PM ET
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Denver Nuggets coach George Karl told local reporters Sunday that he has not abandoned hope of convincing Zydrunas Ilgauskas to come to Denver.
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But another prominent team on the list of Ilgauskas suitors has conceded that the veteran center's widely anticipated return to the Cleveland Cavaliers is all but official.
Dallas Mavericks representatives declined formal comment Sunday, but one source briefed on the discussions told ESPN.com that Ilgauskas' agent, Herb Rudoy, has informed the Mavericks that Ilgauskas intends to re-sign with the Cavaliers as soon as he's eligible.
Rudoy, though, has repeatedly insisted that Ilgauskas won't make a firm decision until next week.
League rules stipulate that Ilgauskas must wait 30 days -- after being traded from Cleveland to Washington in the three-way deal that landed Antawn Jamison with the Cavaliers and then getting bought out by the Wizards earlier this week -- before rejoining the Cavs as a free agent. Ilgauskas is already back in Cleveland in anticipation of his return but can't actually sign his new contract until March 22.
The Cavs are currently two centers down with Ilgauskas in free-agent limbo and Shaquille O'Neal out indefinitely with a thumb injury picked up in Thursday's win over Boston. But the overwhelming expectation around the league -- even before Ilgauskas' buyout from the Wizards was completed or O'Neal injury -- was that teams such as Denver and Dallas had little hope of swaying Ilguaskas, given his career-long connection to the Cavs and the deep fondness LeBron James has for the Lithuanian.
The widespread pessimism, however, didn't stop top teams such as Atlanta, Utah and Portland from making earnest pitches to Rudoy in addition to the Nuggets and Mavericks.
As Karl said Sunday before his team's game against the Los Angeles Lakers: "I'm not giving up on that. ... I did talk to him [Sunday]."
Karl, though, declined to reveal specifics about his phone chat with Ilgauskas.
Players under contract must be waived by March 1 to be eligible to appear in the playoffs with another team, but the league office confirmed to ESPN.com this week that players don't have to clear waivers by March 1 to secure playoff eligibility. They merely have to be released by Monday.
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6 weeks is April 12th, which would bring him back for the last game of the regular season (@ Atlanta April 14th).
8 weeks is April 26th, which would (depending on how 1st round playoff series went) possibly get him back for the start of the 2nd round.
Obviously the sooner the better if he's ready to go.
Even though we've owned the Hawks I would hate to have to try to work Shaq back in to the lineup against a good team.
My biggest concern in all this is that he stays in shape these next 2 months.
Not a great situation to be in in general. Powe is now probably going to get a lot of minutes he maybe shouldn't be getting because of his knee. Hope he doesn't get overworked. Keeping JJ in that trade could be a Godsend.
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NNRTU, but this Rudoy guy is getting on my nerves,...he is probably playing the cat and mouse, coy game. But he IS an agent and therefore NOT to be trusted. His discourse is putting the most money in his pocket he can -- not to " get Z back home,.... "
Now at Nas--I lost it bad enough we did the trade at all, but losing Hickson would have nailed my coffin shut, so to speak. Now with Shaq out, he does need to step up, and I'm sure he will.
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His discourse is putting the most money in his pocket he can -- not to " get Z back home,.... "
His discourse is to do the what his client wants and to cover all angles so that his client has all the information possible to make decisions. Granted that is not how it always shakes out....but I don't see anything in what Rudoy is doing that is contrary to what he should be doing. Rudoy's loyalty is to Zydrunas not to the Cleveland Cavaliers OR THEIR FANS. And as such he NEEDS to be listening to everyone for the benefit of his client.
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All well and good,...  I'm just saying I hope that what Z wants IS Rudoy's concern.
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It's obviously not good to lose Shaq but Cleveland kind of lucks out with scheduling over this stretch. I'm a little less worried after looking how this shakes out.
If Z decides to come back and returns March 22nd, Cleveland will have only played 4 teams with winning records without Shaq (out of 11 games) and they get all but one of those winning teams (@Chicago) at home. That's a really favorable stretch.
The 7 teams they play at or below .500 are the Knicks, Nets, Pistons (3), 76ers, Pacers .
The 4 teams they get above .500 are the Bucks, Spurs, Celtics and @Bulls.
The icing on the cake is they only play 2 back-to-backs the entire month of March, so minutes shouldn't be an issue. They get Detroit at home and then @ Milwaukee the 5-6 and @Detroit and home against Indiana the 16th and 17th.
As far as back-to-backs go, that's as easy as it gets.
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Good post. - Agreed 100%. It's better to lose Shaq now than in the playoffs.
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i could not agree more. and while it sucks we don't have him, i am glad it is a hand injury and not knees or anything like that. he can still try and keep in playing shape, and it's not like he'll lose any shooting touch (lolz)
plus, we have a guy who seems to be able to pull things together when we get hit like this. we lose mo and delonte? no problem, we'll reel off 13 straight.
i just would like to see shaq return by some point in the first round.
it's a good thing we have gotten all of our tough games out of the way, den, lal no more games, orlando we just have one home game left.
we'll be fine.
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I hope Z comes back (this seems like a foregone conclusion, but you never know)
Heading into the first round of the playoffs, we have last years team plus Antawn Jamison.
Heading into the second round, we'll have last years team plus Jamison and Shaq.
-This is the best chance a Cleveland team has ever had at winning a championship. If this team can't do it, I don't ever see it happening in my lifetime, and I'm 31.
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A bit dramatic but I agree with you on that this is the best Cavs team we have ever seen.
Though I would argue that the year we made it the finals was our best shot, I dont think getting back is a forgone conclusion, though I think we have a great shot at getting there.
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