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I disagree, if lebron left us I would view him like Art Modell. You can criticize me and say I'm foolish (which I expect you to) but that's how hurt I'd feel.
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I disagree, if lebron left us I would view him like Art Modell. You can criticize me and say I'm foolish (which I expect you to) but that's how hurt I'd feel.
I'd be right alongside you in that.
It would NOT be pretty in this town.
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I disagree, if lebron left us I would view him like Art Modell. You can criticize me and say I'm foolish (which I expect you to) but that's how hurt I'd feel.
I'd be right alongside you in that.
It would NOT be pretty in this town.
Make that a Trio!
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*gasp* Chad Ford of ESPN in his chat today said he would want LeBron to stay in Cleveland. He wants DWade out of Miami and into Chicago though. Quote:
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What would YOU, Chad Ford, like to see happen this summer? Where does LBJ, Wade, Bosh, John Wall, ect go in your perfect world?
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I don't worry about LeBron. He's already in a good situation. I think he's fine staying in Cleveland. It's Wade that I worry about. He's so talented. Would love to see him in a winning situation. If Miami can't recruit 'Bron or Bosh, I hope he goes to Chicago. I'd like to see Bosh in OKC. As for Wall ... would love to see Larry Bird finally get a break in Indiana. Add Wall to that Pacer team and suddenly they are very interesting. Without him, it's going to be another ugly year.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/31140/nba-insider-chad-ford
I think he has been fired from ESPN for not saying that obviously LeBron has to leave the Cavs.
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http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/03/lebron_james_files_application.htmlLeBron James files application for No. 6 jersey for the 2010-11 season By Brian Windhorst, The Plain Dealer March 01, 2010, 10:10PM Andrew Mills / Newark (N.J.) Star-Ledger LeBron James has filed paperwork that will change his uniform number to No. 6 for the 2010-11 season, fulfilling a promise he made earlier this season to give up the No. 23 in honor of Michael Jordan.CLEVELAND, Ohio -- LeBron James fans, get ready to make some room in your closet for No. 6 jerseys. James told The Plain Dealer on Monday that he's filed the paperwork with the NBA office to switch his jersey number from No. 23 to No. 6 next season. He had to make the decision this week, the deadline to make the request to the NBA is Wednesday. James first brought up the idea in November, saying he wanted to give up No. 23 out of respect to his hero, Michael Jordan. At that time he said he was "50/50" on switching to No. 6, his Olympic number and the day of the month his first son was born. That now seems to be 100 percent. "I've done it," James said. "I already sent it in. I'm going to be No. 6." The NBA does not have to fulfill the request, players who don't change teams have to apply to change their number in March before the previous season. However, the wave of new jersey sales the switch promises to trigger would likely be too enticing for the league to turn down. In 2006, Kobe Bryant requested his number to be changed from No. 8 to No. 24. The NBA approved the move and Bryant's jerseys quickly shot to No. 1 in sales across the world. James has been in the top three in jersey sales in the U.S., China and Europe in recent years but hasn't enjoyed the top spot for several years. Player do not directly benefit from merchandise sales, however. It goes into a league-wide pool that is distributed to teams and then players based on seniority. Jordan, of course, also pulled such a move. He switched to No. 45 for part of a season when he came out of retirement for the first time with the Chicago Bulls. Other than playing for Team USA, the last time James did not wear No. 23 was during his freshman year of high school when he wore No. 32 because a senior was wearing 23.
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i kinda hope wade leaves miami, they don't appreciate him down there. miami is a top 5 market and they can't fill up the place when they have a top 5 player? pathetic. that is a bandwagon town.
could you imagine wade to the bulls and the rivalry that would ensue between lbj and cleveland and wade and chicago? oh man. that would be incredible.
it'd be like the old cavs/bulls rivalries except both teams have a guy.
i think it is still somewhat of a longshot, maybe not a longshot, but definitely the odds are in favor that miami will keep him.
i just wonder, if lebron stays, and wins a title, maybe 2 in the next 3-4 seasons, if top tier free agents start coming to cleveland using the old "can't beat em, join 'em"
i mean, antawn has already signed up for that.
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Pffft where have you been? Been their and discussed it 
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China Promoting Lebron Cavs jersy for next year
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and this is the one I wanted to link... http://www.jockism.com/2010/03/02/lebron-to-wear-number-6-doubtful-it-will-be-with-the-knicks/LeBron To Wear Number 6, Doubtful It Will Be With The Knicks Back on November 12th, following a game between the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Miami Heat, LeBron James told reporter Craig Sager that he was going to change his number from 23 to 6, in order to show respect for Michael Jordan. Well now, James is following through on that statement, as he filed the paperwork required to have his number changed. “I’ve done it,” James told the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “I already sent it in. I’m going to be No. 6.” Just for the record, this switch to number 6 is only locked in if he remains with the Cavs next season. If he doesn’t, he is free to choose any number he wants with his new team. - In other LeBron news, after destroying the hopeless New York Knicks last night, James told a reporter, “I’ve yet to play for a team that doesn’t care about defense in my career.” For those of you who are having trouble decoding that message, it means that he is not interested in playing with the New York Knicks. Sorry, Knicks fans.
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could you imagine wade to the bulls and the rivalry that would ensue between lbj and cleveland and wade and chicago? oh man. that would be incredible.
It would be sick to see Wade/Rose vs. LeBron/JJ (once he hits his peak)
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i kinda hope wade leaves miami, they don't appreciate him down there. miami is a top 5 market and they can't fill up the place when they have a top 5 player? pathetic. that is a bandwagon town.
could you imagine wade to the bulls and the rivalry that would ensue between lbj and cleveland and wade and chicago? oh man. that would be incredible.
it'd be like the old cavs/bulls rivalries except both teams have a guy.
i think it is still somewhat of a longshot, maybe not a longshot, but definitely the odds are in favor that miami will keep him.
i just wonder, if lebron stays, and wins a title, maybe 2 in the next 3-4 seasons, if top tier free agents start coming to cleveland using the old "can't beat em, join 'em"
i mean, antawn has already signed up for that.
I live down in South Florida and that is so true!!!!!!! About being a bandwagon town!
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also, someone mentioned the future power rankings thing that espn put out today, but because they make you pay for information (lame) i'll give you a bit of info on it.
i believe the cavs were 9th, portland was 1.
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Why? Mo, Delonte, LeBron are in their mid 20s and JJ in his early 20s. I understand we won't have a stud big man but Andy will still be young as well.
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I live down in South Florida and that is so true!!!!!!! About being a bandwagon town!
i've never been down there, but outside of the dolphins, they only fill up the place when their team has championship hopes. marlins, panthers, heat.
hell nobody cared about the u before they became the u, and once osu knocked them off their high horse, they all stopped caring.
i don't think there would be a fraction of the emotion if he took off as there would be if lbj left cleveland.
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Why? Mo, Delonte, LeBron are in their mid 20s and JJ in his early 20s. I understand we won't have a stud big man but Andy will still be young as well.
Because ESPN's future power rankings consider Lebron a Knick. - No Joke.
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Because ESPN's future power rankings consider Lebron a Knick. - No Joke.
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could the ny media be coming to the realization!?? ny daily news Cavs need to cut out the childish antics » By Frank Isola A reader beat me to the punch in regards to Cleveland's animated - some would say childish - bench. I understand that times are a changing in the NBA, and not necessarily for the better. One example is the conduct of the Cavs' supporting players before and especially during games. Last night, they were over-the-top during Cleveland's blowout win over the Knicks. After Delonte West dunked on Tracy McGrady, the bench celebrated the play, which is understandable. But did we really need to see Danny Green tackle a teammate to the ground? (It also hurts me to see that since Green and I are from the same town.) "You think its LeBron or just the camaraderie of the group that's there?" reader Shameer Grewal wrote. "Does LeBron have enough influence that if he comes to NY and assembles another group around him, that that same behavior will be going on, just different faces?" Yes, on all counts. The Cavs are a close knit team, which is good to see and easier to do when you're winning. LeBron sets the agenda and if he signs with the Knicks he will be the ring leader when it comes to the bench posing, taunting and acting like 8-year-olds on a sugar high. And Mike D'Antoni will ignore it the same way Mike Brown ignores it. (Speaking of Brown, I'm very surprised he criticized D'Antoni's coaching style, saying he doesn't believe in systems where little to no emphasis is placed on defense. I tend to agree with Brown, who cut his coaching teeth with the Spurs. But considering how badly the Knicks were beaten on Monday it seemed tasteless to kick D'Antoni when he's down. Then again, maybe Brown was trying to get a point across to LeBron via the media.) The Cavs live in fear of LeBron leaving and rightfully so. Therefore, LeBron sets the tone and establishes ground rules for everything from player conduct to when and where he conducts interviews. He will be treated the same way if he joins the Knicks. I don't necessarily like the sideline antics, especially from a world-class player. But it's a small price to pay. And who knows, maybe he'll grow out of it. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!! please. if lbj was playing for the bricks, they'd be talking about how awesome it is when the bench explodes and how they truly love working together.
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Because ESPN's future power rankings consider Lebron a Knick. - No Joke.
You have got to be freaking kidding me
the knicks were not mentioned in the top 10. so either they think the king stays (which is why the cavs are still mentioned) or that lebron goes to ny, but has no help whatsoever and a bumbling coach who thinks it's ok to not play defense and shoot the ball with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.r
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Could you imagine wade to the bulls and the rivalry that would ensue between lbj and cleveland and wade and chicago? oh man. that would be incredible.
For those that don't know, D Wade is originally from Chicago. - This would be incredible.
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i believe the cavs were 9th, portland was 1.
Portland was 5th, not 1.
The Cavs were 8th. And what they said about them made sense and they also said they believe he is more than likely to stay.
Dude, your just as bad with your ESPN hate as ESPN is with their LBJ in NY garbage.
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I'm the one who said that the Cavs were listed 8th because ESPN was taking into account LBJ would be in NY.
ESPN has been disresprectful to Cleveland in the way that they discuss Lebron's upcoming free agency. - Very disrespectful.
However, like I noted earlier, ESPN doesn't take itself very seriously, I mean, they are always clowning around on their shows, and their commercials tell us that they want to be laughed at. - They may not really care where Lebron goes and may be making a big deal about the summer of 2010 because it creates a big story for them to report on - nothing else.
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Just in case he'd forgotten, the Cavaliers gave Zydrunas Ilgauskas a collective hug over the past two days. The actions might have him on the cusp of making a commitment to become a Cav once again. According to league sources, shortly after Ilgauskas cleared waivers and became a free agent Monday afternoon, the team swung into action. After not speaking with him since he was traded Feb. 17, Cavs General Manager Danny Ferry flew to New York after being with Shaquille O'Neal for his thumb surgery in Baltimore on Monday morning. Sources said Ferry met with Ilgauskas, who has been working out for the past week in New York, where he maintains an off-season home. It is believed Ferry made Ilgauskas an offer to re-sign with the team at that time. Then on Tuesday, sources said, several of Ilgauskas' former and perhaps soon-to-be reunited teammates came to see him after the team flew into town for Wednesday's game against the New Jersey Nets. There are some indications Ilgauskas could make his decision known very soon, perhaps as early as today. Ilgauskas has been courted aggressively by several teams, especially the Dallas Mavericks, Denver Nuggets and Atlanta Hawks. But those teams reportedly have backed off over the past few days as many believe the announcement to re-sign with the Cavs is a near certainty. If he chooses, Ilgauskas can announce a commitment to re-sign with the Cavs at any time but cannot actually sign until March 22. Link
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i believe the cavs were 9th, portland was 1.
Portland was 5th, not 1.
The Cavs were 8th. And what they said about them made sense and they also said they believe he is more than likely to stay.
Dude, your just as bad with your ESPN hate as ESPN is with their LBJ in NY garbage.
my bad, i got some bad info (i'm not an insider, i got it from someone else)
yes, my hate for espn is awesome. i love calling them out for all the crap they spew out.
i've grown tired of them. they whine and moan about how unfair the bcs system is, yet they rarely talk about how unfair major league baseball is for 2/3 of the league.
they'll show almost every pitch of a yankee game or red sox game in a highlight package, and they'll show one play from an indians game (even when they were good 3 years ago)
and the way they presented that knicks/cavs game back in the beginning of the season? an absolute joke. they conducted themselves like excited little 14 year olds.
but yeah, the cavs will get a nice highlight package at the beginning of a sportscenter broadcast, yet they can't show it without little snide remarks about how he's going to be a knick.
i rarely watch sportscenter anymore. i love that all the leagues have their own networks now. i don't think i've ever eve heard the guys at nbatv mention lebron and new york at all. they're all about what is going on right now with the nba.
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Is anyone else hoping Z comes back? i was one of the many fans who were kind of bumed when they heard about the trade..simply cuz it was Z...it's kind of like phil dawson being cut when the browns finally start making the playoffs year in and year out..it will be sad. By TOM WITHERS, AP Sports Writer 59 minutes ago CLEVELAND (AP)—The Cavaliers are applying full-court pressure to Zydrunas Ilgauskas(notes). Several of the center’s former Cleveland teammates visited him in New York on Tuesday, hoping to persuade him to re-sign with the Cavs and help them make a run at an NBA title. Ilgauskas, who has a place in SoHo, was traded last month to Washington in the deal for forward Antawn Jamison(notes). The Cavs play at New Jersey on Wednesday, and they reached out to the big man affectionately known as “Z.” “They told him they want him to come back,” said agent Herb Rudoy. “(Cavaliers general manager) Danny Ferry flew in the other day and met with him, too.” Ilgauskas recently bought out his contract with the Wizards, freeing him to re-sign with any team after 30 days. The Cavs need him. With Shaquille O’Neal(notes) out for the remainder of the regular season following thumb surgery, Cleveland’s frontline is woefully undersized. On Monday, coach Mike Brown started 6-foot-9 forward J.J. Hickson(notes) at center. Hickson scored 17 points with nine rebounds and two blocks in a rout of the Knicks, but he’s just a temporary fix. Ilgauskas has drawn interest from several other teams, including the Atlanta Hawks. Rudoy said Ilgauskas is weighing his options and that the 34-year-old has mixed feelings. “He’s got a big emotional investment in Cleveland, in the city and the team,” Rudoy said. “On the other hand, he was not happy to be used as a pawn in the trade.” Rudoy expects Ilgauskas to make a decision by this weekend. Ilgauskas can announce where he’ll play at anytime but cannot sign a contract until March 22. “He’ll tell me when he’s ready to tell me,” Rudoy said. “I’m waiting to hear from him.” Brown said before the Cavaliers’ game against the Nets on Wednesday night that he had not spoken with Ilgauskas. Cleveland’s career leader in rebounds and games played, Ilgauskas is one of the Cavs’ most popular players. But this has been a strange season for the 7-foot-3 veteran, whose career was nearly ended prematurely because of serious foot injuries that cost him two full seasons. Ilgauskas first lost his starting job to O’Neal, an understandable move by the Cavs who felt they needed more interior size to dethrone Orlando in the Eastern Conference. But on Nov. 28, the night Ilgauskas was set to break Cleveland’s record for games played, he was inexplicably benched by Brown. The sensitive Ilgauskas was miffed by the slight and expressed his disappointment days later following a Cavs’ home win, choking back tears as he spoke. “I’m going to be a bigger man and walk away from this,” he said at the time. “I know when I go to bed at night my conscience is clear. I love this team. I love my teammates. They are like a family to me. I’m going to come every day to work and try my hardest. Hopefully we can win a championship for this city because they deserve it. “It has not been an easy ordeal.” And then came the trade, which although it had been rumored for weeks, caught Ilgauskas off guard. Ilgauskas has hinted about this being his last season and he would like nothing more than to end it by winning a championship for the only team he has ever known. He never suited up for the Wizards. Rudoy said he has received hundreds of e-mails, letters and phone calls from Cleveland fans who want Ilgauskas to return. “They’ve really reached out to him,” he said. “He loves the fans of Cleveland and I know how much the Cavaliers mean to him. But again, he was not happy to be a pawn. It was really disappointing.” http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ak...p&type=lgns
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of course.
i think it is a done deal. i'm even reading that other teams are backing off because they know it is a done deal.
i can't wait to see his first game back in the q. i think he'll have to play a few road games first, but i really think the fans are gonna let him hear it.
he wants the ring as badly as anyone on that team, maybe more than most.
and i honestly think we are gonna need him in the playoffs. his mid range shot, his offensive rebounding ability, late game clutch free throws..
if he can give us 10 solid minutes every night, i think that would be awesome.
it's a nice problem to have, but mike brown has his hands full with all this talent and only 48 minutes to distribute.
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But again, he was not happy to be a pawn. It was really disappointing.
This is exactly what I have been saying along,...should have never happened in the first place.
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i see it as repaying the cavs for the organization being patient with him in the pre lebron days.
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This is exactly what I have been saying along,...should have never happened in the first place.
Why?? He got a month vacation, isn't really losing any pay, gets to come back to the team, and has a much better chance at getting his ring now. If anything, the agent is just giving lip service so that people will get off of the "it was an illegal deal" kick.
At any rate, Z can't official sign with the Cavs until the 22nd, so he'll miss the ESPN televised game against Detroit on the 21st. Next game would be @NO on the 24th and the first home game would be vs. Sacto on the 28th. Neither of which are scheduled to be televised nationally. 
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While that is a good side attack, that's not what we're actually "told," and at this point, that would be "nothing."
We think we know what's going on, but we really don't.
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I think Z, Lebron, and co, were all on board for the Jamison trade. I don't believe that Z feels like a pawn at all. - Just blowing smoke to make this trade look legit.
I don't know why Mike Brown sat Z on the his big night.
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My pain in the ass is, this could have been done without even looking at Z. It's a full circle jerk.
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Uh ... how?
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Not sure,...all I know is we got Jamison, and the Wizards got a pick. Why couldn't that just have been the deal in the first place ?
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Because salaries need to match (within 20% of each other) in a trade in the NBA. Z's expring contract was roughly what Jamison's incoming contract was, which is what made the deal legit. Also, part of the alure of the trade for Washington was to get Z's expiring contract, and get Jamison's contract off the books (he has 4 years left) ... which actually made Z's contract a valuable part of the trade for the Wizards. The Wizards will now be under the cap by quite a bit for next year due to making the trade.
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That's the whole point,...it was still a "done-on-the-sly" deal, and contained unprobable, but possible risk. The NBA "says" it frowns on this activity, but is powerless to stop it, let's it happen, and then sits back and pretends it didn't. To me, it should have nothing to do with salaries, though I understand how it affects the cap(s). Everything is a sham these days.
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I have a general knowledge about basketball. Could somebody with a little technical expertise tell me if the effects of A. Jamison are beginning to show? I see he's scored 19 tonight - is this the sort of production at his position that was lacking before he came here?
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I have a general knowledge about basketball. Could somebody with a little technical expertise tell me if the effects of A. Jamison are beginning to show? I see he's scored 19 tonight - is this the sort of production at his position that was lacking before he came here?
i think we should wait until we get a true test. i think you saw a little bit of it against orlando in the second half, but he was nowhere near as comfortable with the guys then as he looks more and more every time. he's starting to look the part.
but he was brought in because he is someone you can go to, against the tougher teams, orlando, LA, i guess boston to some extent... that when things start to get stagnant, is another guy who can get some points.
20 point scorers are at a premium in the nba.
jamison i think still has potential to be a 20&10 guy in this league, he may not be that with the cavs, because of all our rebounders, because lebron still dominates the ball, but if he can be close, maybe 18/9 20/8 something like that, i think we're set to challenge anybody.
i love this smallish lineup too. i think it shows that we aren't just some boring halfcourt team, we have the bodies to run. we can adapt. san antonio did that in their day, they could run with you if you wanted to do that, they could bang with you down low if that was how you wanted to play. they could adapt, it won them titles. i am seeing that with these guys too. for all the ripping mike brown receives, the cavs have scored almost 109 a game for the last 2 months. that's damn good offense.
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I have a general knowledge about basketball. Could somebody with a little technical expertise tell me if the effects of A. Jamison are beginning to show? I see he's scored 19 tonight - is this the sort of production at his position that was lacking before he came here?
i think we should wait until we get a true test. i think you saw a little bit of it against orlando in the second half, but he was nowhere near as comfortable with the guys then as he looks more and more every time. he's starting to look the part.
but he was brought in because he is someone you can go to, against the tougher teams, orlando, LA, i guess boston to some extent... that when things start to get stagnant, is another guy who can get some points.
20 point scorers are at a premium in the nba.
jamison i think still has potential to be a 20&10 guy in this league, he may not be that with the cavs, because of all our rebounders, because lebron still dominates the ball, but if he can be close, maybe 18/9 20/8 something like that, i think we're set to challenge anybody.
i love this smallish lineup too. i think it shows that we aren't just some boring halfcourt team, we have the bodies to run. we can adapt. san antonio did that in their day, they could run with you if you wanted to do that, they could bang with you down low if that was how you wanted to play. they could adapt, it won them titles. i am seeing that with these guys too. for all the ripping mike brown receives, the cavs have scored almost 109 a game for the last 2 months. that's damn good offense.
Agree,...the beauty of it is, they can do both. Look small, play big. Look big, run and gun. Awesome.
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To me, it should have nothing to do with salaries, though I understand how it affects the cap(s).
In the NBA, trades have everything to do with salaries. The incoming and outgoing salaries must match within 125%. A draft pick does not carry a dollar amount, and therefore can't be the only chip you use in making a trade for a player.
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