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He also didn't give all of his belongings to Cesar and say, "Here, this is for the poor and sick ... I'll trust that you'll know what to do with it".
BRAVO! It sickens me the way folks are painted as uncaring because they don't want pay for government social programs.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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There definitely is, but for the times that he didn't (i.e. telling his Apostles to let the blind lead the blind, or speaking in parables), there was a reason. That reason is God's providence, whether Jesus demonstrated it or not, is actively working in the hearts, minds and reality of all men (which is addressed in Matthew 6:25-34).
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There are far more instances where Jesus helped the poor and sick. Oh....and he didn't ask if they were insured.
He also didn't give all of his belongings to Cesar and say, "Here, this is for the poor and sick ... I'll trust that you'll know what to do with it". 
We could quote scripture all day about giving to the poor but do we really need to go there?
I'll just leave this one because this is what capitalism is turning into:
Prov. 14:31 Anyone who oppresses the poor is insulting God who made them. To help the poor is to honor God.
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Would you rather go to the part where he said "give a man a fish, you feed him for a day...teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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Would you rather go to the part where he said "give a man a fish, you feed him for a day...teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
I agree with that entirely. Where do you get that I think we should give to the lazy people of this world? I actually said in a earlier post in this thread that I am against that. There should be more put in place to make sure no one abuses the system. I would start with drug testing those on welfare.
Do you think that verse is intended for colleges to charge outrageous amounts that are forcing people to pay student loans back in alarming amounts? I don't think so. I know many university educated people that can't afford to live a basic life because of their student loans. However if you don't go to school there are no jobs to get. Things are getting out of hand. Life was much easier back in the day. I couldn't even imagine my wife staying at home with the kids while my job takes care of the basics. We are doing things ass backwards if you ask me.
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Do you think that verse is intended for colleges to charge outrageous amounts that are forcing people to pay student loans back in alarming amounts? I don't think so. I know many university educated people that can't afford to live a basic life because of their student loans.
While I agree with the gist of your post, keep in mind there are hundreds of thousands of people that get student loans and graduate with degrees in "liberal arts", or "college studies", "music", "recreation", etc...........degrees that don't translate into jobs - at least not jobs that generally pay very well. The old "football player majoring in basket weaving" comes to mind.
We've become a society that demands college education - but colleges have outflanked and out smarted society by establishing "majors" in things that flat out mean nothing when it comes to getting a job - so many "majors" are nothing more than pieces of paper that say "yeah, Joe/sally paid us for 4 or 5 years".
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My contention of the application of that parable is in the social programs this government is so keen to use ,uphold, and promote....programs that have done nothing but create dependants. Programs that have failed and are dragging this country down and people want to just throw more money at it.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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Everyone (besides sociopaths) can agree that we want a way to help the poor. We all want security and prosperity. We all want peace.
Is a violent monopoly the way to solve that?
There is a world of difference between charity and government solutions.
One is altruism and compassion freely given by people.
One is compliance forced by an authority figure through taxation backed up with the threat of arrest.
Whenever you are advocating government solutions you are advocating a violent solution.
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so, if we are debating healthcare for instance, I don't want lobbyists for the insurance industry in the building.
So insurance executives shouldn't be allowed in the building? Aren't they going to lobby on behalf of their industry?
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So insurance executives shouldn't be allowed in the building? Aren't they going to lobby on behalf of their industry?
Of course they are going to lobby on behalf of thier industry.. I have no problem with people standing up in the face of the governemt stating thier case.
I DO have a problem with buying politicians who then push things through.. there is a difference DC..
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Well, the reality is that given the freedoms inherent to us in our nation, they will be allowed in, but I honestly would not want them in there either.
I believe that Industry has FAR too much influence over policy.
And again, if we're talking about restructuring such a massive chunk of our economy, then we need to do be doing it in a way that is in EVERYONE's best interests, not just one or two industries.
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Daman and prp... they have to be there, absolutely have to. Are we going to allow hospital execs into the discussion? Doctors? Nurses? Pharmaceuticals? Malpractice attorneys?
How on Gods green planet can we have a meaningful debate without the input of the people that understand their industry the best? Yes, they all have a vested interest in protecting their own industy, I get that...but that's what congress is supposed to be there to do.. gather the information from the insurance companies, the lawyers, the hospitals and doctors, etc... take all of the stuff they say they NEED and funnel it down to a workable plan with sufficient compromises for everybody.
and I'm not talking about "buying" anybody... but we have to have solid industry input.
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And again, if we're talking about restructuring such a massive chunk of our economy, then we need to do be doing it in a way that is in EVERYONE's best interests, not just one or two industries.
Don't think it can happen, I'm not certain we will ever find anything that works for EVERYONE.. But we need to find things that work for the MAJORITY of folks.. (I"m not talking a 51% to 49% majority either.)
My biggest issue is what I stated earlier. I have no problem with business and industry or non-profits, civil rights groups etc. getting thier say in front of the nations lawmakers. that's healthy,,
But I don't want them buying politicians in order to get thier way...
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Daman and prp... they have to be there, absolutely have to. Are we going to allow hospital execs into the discussion? Doctors? Nurses? Pharmaceuticals? Malpractice attorneys?
this is my fault, I wasn't even close to clear on my thinking.. I made the statement that I didn't want them in the room and clearly, that's just not right. They need to be there for discussion purposes..
How else would our Policy and Law makers learn of the needs of those entities.. Also, if you are looking for information on,, let's say the steel industry, where better to get that info than from Steel Executives.
The problem starts when the "steel" industry employs a lobbyist,, they start to buy politicians so that they can get thier way... generally with little or no regard to "we the people" (no offense to the steel industry, they were just an example)
that's what I have a problem with..
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I haven't seen it but based on your recommendation I'll likely look over some movie reviews and perhaps have the wife put it on her Netflix list.
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There are far more instances where Jesus helped the poor and sick. Oh....and he didn't ask if they were insured.
He also didn't give all of his belongings to Cesar and say, "Here, this is for the poor and sick ... I'll trust that you'll know what to do with it".
Matthew 22:21
“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God the things that are God’s.”
Romans 13:1
“Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God.”
Those quotes are widely debated, so I'm being tongue-in-cheek .. .but I couldn't resist.
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