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Senate Jobs Bill Vote Passed 02/24/10 10:49 AM | WASHINGTON — The Senate has passed a bill aimed at boosting job growth by giving tax breaks to businesses that hire the unemployed. The jobs legislation would also extend highway and mass transit programs through the end of the year and pump $20 billion into them in time for the construction season. Economists say the tax breaks could create perhaps 250,000 jobs. It's the first of several job-creation measures promised by Democrats, who also want to give cash-strapped states further help with their budgets and give subsidies to people who make their homes more energy efficient. The measure passed by a bipartisan 70-28 and now goes back to the House, which passed a far more ambitious version in December. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm shocked by the number of republicans who voted for this bill after new Mass. Sen. Scott Brown was among five Republicans who broke with their party and joined 55 Democrats and two independents to prevent a GOP filibuster. Scott Brown has taken a boatload of crap from rwers for voting with the Dems to prevent the GOP filibuster. Now Republican senators are going to tell how much they care about the #1 concern of middle/working class voters...JOBS...because they voted for the jobs bill. web page
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giving tax breaks to businesses that hire the unemployed.
that portion definitely sounds conservative....really interested in reading some analysis on the overall bill to see what else is in there and if this was a truly bi-partisan effort
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Glad it passed...glad Brown decided to be an "independent voice" and step across the political line to actually get a good bill passed
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Any update on the link mac? Or a bill number? Even a house bill number, since apparently it has to go back to the house?
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Here's a link to the same subject, just a different article. he Senate overwhelmingly passed a $15 billion jobs bill Wednesday morning, giving Democrats – and embattled Majority Leader Harry Reid – a much needed legislative victory. A larger-than-expected number of GOP senators, led by Scott Brown of Massachusetts, pushed the bill to its 70-28 passage. Several more Republicans broke ranks with their leaders on final passage compared with a 62-30 procedural vote Monday, giving the bill a much more comfortable margin. The outlook for the Senate bill in the House remains uncertain, as Democratic leaders in that chamber have complained that the Senate bill is puny compared to a $154 billion House jobs bill passed late last year. Still, the breakthrough was significant for Reid, who needs to show he can manage the gridlocked Senate in a dicey election year for Democrats. The $15 billion bill included a range of tax credits, which were important to Maine Republicans Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, who supported the legislation. But the highway funds also lured in two retiring Midwestern senators, Kit Bond and George Voinovich, who also voted for the bill. Democrats dodged a procedural bullet earlier Wednesday when Republicans raised a budget point of order against the legislation, saying it violated statutory pay-as-you-go rules, but the Senate waved that rule aside on a 62-34 vote. Democrats heralded the vote as signal that both sides are ready to work together in the Senate. "We've had so much partisan gridlock today we have a new opportunity to show that this new legislative year could break through that," said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) But Republicans warned that the way Reid jammed his bill through the Senate will make it harder for the two sides to collaborate on other issues. "It's got to make it hard when there is a genuine bipartisan effort to do something and it is basically shut out by the majority leader," said Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas). "That's got to make it harder, not easier."
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Thanks.
As I read that, it appears it still needs to go to the house? Is that right? I guess it's a first step - although $15 billion doesn't sound like much in the scope of things. But, it's a start I guess.
It's one of those "give the gov't. a lot of money, then we'll give you a little back" kind of things.
We'll see what the house does with it.
I'm still curious to see the exact number of the bill - SB ????
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Cue businesses laying people off to hire them back again.
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Cue businesses laying people off to hire them back again.
You must be talking about the law of unintended consequences. For people that don't know what that is - see: federal gov't.
The reason congress is considered a full time job now is because for every action they make, there are 2 or 3 reactions that are negative.
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So did Democrats just admit that cutting taxes for business creates jobs and economic growth. Why - that just can't be. 
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Is the tax break larger than the cost of hiring an employee?
Does it take into consideration pay rate/benefits?
How long do you have to keep the employee employed to qualify?
I always wonder why people think that if you give tax breaks to business that they will take the extra cash and spend it on a new employee when there may not be a need to hire that new employee.
A lot of people where I work, including me, have assumed duties of people who were let go. The company has expressed no desire to add personnel to alleviate our workloads.
It's a start though.
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Cue businesses laying people off to hire them back again.
But they won't let that stop them in claiming how many jobs this created.
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That was going to be my next point.  If 250,000 get laid off to get those 250,000 new hires ... then I'm sure they'll claim this bill a rousing success. 
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If 250,000 get laid off to get those 250,000 new hires ... then I'm sure they'll claim this bill a rousing success.
ha Ha,, will you take that back if it turns out not to cause 250k job losses to add 250k jobs? 
I gotta say this,, 250000 jobs is nothing. peanuts. we've lost millions of jobs... I guess the best I can say about it is that it's a start..
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ha Ha,, will you take that back if it turns out not to cause 250k job losses to add 250k jobs?
Of course I would ... creating 250k legitimate jobs would be a good thing. But I also know how businesses/government work. Businesses will look for any loophole they can to take advantage of the tax break ... even if it means hiring people through one door and sending people out through another. Meanwhile ... the government will be happy to point out all those new hires while completely ignoring the ones leaving. Wasn't Pelosi or somebody lauding the "creating of jobs" a few months ago, while the unemployment rate jumped up to 10%?
I'm also leering of spending 20 billion for what amounts to temporary construction jobs. You can argue that some of those construction projects may be needed, and it's good to give people some work to do them ... but you are just piling onto the debt for short-term gains and long-term problems. I'm sure the government will pat itself on the back and point out the jobs "created" from these projects, but say nothing when these jobs are done in a few years, these people are unemployed again and we're paying even more interest on the debt.
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Excl - as you well know, gov't. has never created a self sustaining job. Anything gov't. creates comes from taxes. there is NO self sustaining gov't. job.
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Businesses will look for any loophole they can to take advantage of the tax break ... even if it means hiring people through one door and sending people out through another.
that's part of the discussion on another thread., corporate greed,,,
I'm skeptical anytime we give corporate entities anything without at least some ground rules as well as some fact checking afterwards..
if we give incentives to create jobs, then it should be pretty clear that we don't mean it to be "TRADE JOBS" and there should be a penalty, such as revocation of any benefit received..
I'd also suggest stiff penalties of a monatary nature beyond the loss of the benefit as well..
Companies that take advantage of any breaks we give them to create jobs by actually creating jobs, I've got no problem with..,
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Who says greed is restricted to just corporations? Any business can resort to underhanded tactics to make a quick buck ... big or small.
Just to note ... I actually like the tax portion of the bill itself (not so much the $20 bil for temp jobs part) ... lowering taxes to help businesses is always a good thing.
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Nobody is saying that,, not me anyway..
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And any business, big or small can be a corporation. Either way, I wasn't being specific about the type of business.. or how it's formed.. When I use the term Corporation, I was speaking of ANY entity that takes advantage of job creation benefits offered in this bill
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You speak of this "giving corporations" breaks like it's a bad thing - like it's gov't.s money they are giving. It's not - it is OUR money the gov't. is "allowing" us to get a portion of back.
Gov't. can apparently see that tax breaks MAY help corporations - which then hire employees.......that....tadaaaaaaa - pay taxes.
Why be happy that gov't. is "allowing" businesses to keep just a fuzz more of the money they make? Why not tell gov't. to shove it up their patoot. Like a $1000 tax "credit" is going to stimulate hiring....right.
Why does gov't. insist on thinking they are the answer - instead of realizing they are a big part of the problem?
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Oh I don't know about that...Robert Byrd(57 yrs), Carl Hayden(56 yrs), John Dingell(54 yrs), Jaime L. Whitten(53 yrs), Daniel Inouye( 50 yrs), Carl Vinson(50 yrs), Emanuel Celler(49 yrs), Sam Rayburn(48 yrs), and Joseph Gurney Cannon(48 yrs) seemed to sustain themselves in government..... Geez it took me a while to finally get to a Republican in an attempt to be fair  ....But the fact is that out of the top 20 of the longest serving Congressmen...only 3 were Republican. #9 Cannon, #11 Strom Thurmon who actually switched to Republican in 1964 and #20 Justin Smith Morrill....who was a "Whig" Republican....in the Civil War Era. There is no real conclusions to be made from that fact but plenty of questions that could use some looking into I am sure... In any case if you are interested in the list I found...go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_longevity_of_service
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Yes - and not one of those jobs is self sustaining - meaning they only exist because of tax payers.
The sooner gov't. learns they don't create real jobs - the better off we'll be. (and by real jobs, I don't mean jobs that pay a live-able wage - hell, with the benefits included, gov't. jobs pay better than 95% of the non gov't. jobs.).
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You speak of this "giving corporations" breaks like it's a bad thing
and you don't pay attention., I'm in the employment business,, ANYTHING that creates jobs I'm most likely in favor of,,
I was responding to Excls comment about 250,000 jobs coming in the front door while another 250,000 jobs go out the back door of the same company while they take advantage of the benefit reserved for companies that create jobs..,,.
And you talk about my reading comprehension.... gheesh
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and you don't pay attention., I'm in the employment business,, ANYTHING that creates jobs I'm most likely in favor of,,
I was responding to Excls comment about 250,000 jobs coming in the front door while another 250,000 jobs go out the back door of the same company while they take advantage of the benefit reserved for companies that create jobs..,,.
And you talk about my reading comprehension.... gheesh
Perhaps you should follow along. This "giving" corporations is nothing more than giving them a slight percentage of what gov't. takes in the first place. Comprende? Or do you think when gov't "allows" a tax credit - that they are actually giving something undeserved?
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Yes - and not one of those jobs is self sustaining - meaning they only exist because of tax payers.
Well I was trying to be fecetious in showing how messed up we allowed things to be where we keep complaining about government yet we continue to send these people to serve for 50 odd years....they seemed to have a sustaining job as they held it for 50 years....(that is the ironic and disturbing and fecetious part.....)
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Where the heck did you get the idea that I think giving breaks to create jobs was a bad thing...
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Where the heck did you get the idea that I think giving breaks to create jobs was a bad thing...
From here (from an earlier post of yours:)
I'm skeptical anytime we give corporate entities anything without at least some ground rules as well as some fact checking afterwards..
Now, I will grant you that it appears I took your quote out of context. But I will not concede that gov't. "giving" anything is actually gov't. "giving". It's allowing a percentage of what they took in the first place to be "given" back.
My apologies for painting you in a bad light on this particular topic.
Don't insinuate I am anything, k?
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Wouldn't have been easier to respond and say your sorry and let it go at that...
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Wouldn't have been easier to respond and say your sorry and let it go at that...
Actually, as I re read things, I take back my apology. It was not warranted on my part.
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you really are a class act Arch...
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Thanks. Ironically, that's not what I was thinking about you. Imagine that.
A guy apologizes, and says why he said what he said, and the guy he apologized to makes fun of it. Yup - you're class all the way.
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Hey Daman, Happy - B day Man.
First, I would like to say that I've enjoyed reading you all these yrs. Next, I think that thru the yrs. I have gotten a pretty good idea of how you think. I don't agree with you on choice of Pres. I tend to lean with Arch concerning this.
However, I feel you think that we should feel grateful for any help the Gov. seems to give us. I, on the other hand, feel like that The Gov. works for us, and in no way should we feel grateful for them giving back OUR money to begin with. If it was up to me, we should not have to give ANY money to the Gov. I wish I had a job where all I did was sit around & think of ways to take our money. It's time to turn the corner & elect decent people for a change.
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$15 billion, huh?
Well ... we did spend $20 billion in the first "Stimulus" bill to give food stamp recipients an additional 13% in moonthly benefits ...... so I guess $15 billion for "jobs" isn't too bad ......
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Thanks for the Bday wishes man,,,,
I question my choices of candidates all the time.. time will tell if Obama was the right choice.. certainly, after only 1 year, I think it's too early to mark him down as a failure.. I know plenty of folks don't agree with that,, but it's JMO
As for the Govenment giving us back our own money,, yeah, we don't' need to thank anyone for that.. not sure why you think I think that we should. I never said that.,
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Sorry Bro, Did not mean to put words in your mouth. Just a general observation, You just seem to be a guy that thinks the Gov. is here to help us, I don't think that way.
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Sorry Bro, Did not mean to put words in your mouth. Just a general observation, You just seem to be a guy that thinks the Gov. is here to help us, I don't think that way.
I'm not exactly sure where you got the idea that I think the Gov is here to help us.. More importantly, I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "help us" and I don't understand why a government serving it's people is neccessarily a bad thing in general,,
man, you got me a little confused
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Too bad that isn't what happens in this country. They don't SERVE us, they DICTATE to us.
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giving tax breaks to businesses that hire the unemployed.
that portion definitely sounds conservative....really interested in reading some analysis on the overall bill to see what else is in there and if this was a truly bi-partisan effort
nologo...Tax cuts used to be a conservative idea but in this case, the GOP didn't want this bill to pass and complained bitterly when new Massachusetts Republican Senator Scott Brown and four other Republicans broke party ranks to defeat a GOP filibuster.
Most of the GOP senators did not want this bill to even come to a Senate vote, so let's not act like the GOP supported these targeted tax cuts....they didn't.
The GOP continues to be anti-American worker and vote against anything that helps American workers.
I have supported tax cuts for companies and corporations that create jobs for American workers, here in America while the GOP continues to support the outsourcing of American jobs and tax cuts for those companies that do outsource American jobs.
One of the main reason the Bush tax cut must be allowed to expire on time, at the end of this year is to stop the practice of American corporations using American taxpayer dollars to help fund the closing of American plants and sending American jobs to slave labor wage countries such as Mexico and China.
I prefer the Obama approach of awarding tax cuts to American companies that create jobs for American workers, in America. If American companies want their tax cut restored, bring jobs back to the USA or create new jobs here in America.
I hope the days of American taxpayers helping to fund the outsourcing of American jobs are finally over.
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