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Why do you always politicize things???
You are like a hamster running the treadmill.
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Too bad that isn't what happens in this country. They don't SERVE us, they DICTATE to us.
Tell me about it.. I'm tired of feeling as if my elected officials are talking down to me like they are the parent and I'm the child
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You are like a hamster running the treadmill.
peen...Sorry you keep posting on political threads...how do I control you from yourself?
I guess this issue of your GOP Senators voting to filibuster the jobs bill, then turning around and voting for the bill once 5 good Republican Senators decided not to walk in lockstep with the Radical GOP Senators, most of whom are from the South, who wanted to kill the jobs bill, doesn't smack of GOP hypocrisy and "politics"?
BTW...if the GOP continues to vote "an anti-American worker agenda"...it might not be long before some workers figure out that many in the GOP party care only for the rich CEO who donate the most money to their re-elections campaigns and could care less if blue collar Joes are stuggling, out of work.
The fact is, the #1 issue for the American people is JOBS (for Americans). Voting against allowing this jobs bill to go forward was a very dumb move by the GOP. It kind of looks to me like the GOP would rather play politics with everything the Obama administration tries to do to help the American people, putting their political plan to gain more power ahead of helping the American people.
In short...it was a pure political blunder by the GOP members who wanted to kill the bill that helps American workers. BTW...if you care (which I doubt)...your Tennessee GOP Senators tried to kill the jobs bill that helps American workers...our Ohio Senators, one GOP and one Dem voted to pass the jobs bill to help American workers...that is interesting, isn't it?
Senators Voinovich and Brown know the workers in Ohio need as much help as elected representatives can provide...I guess workers in Tenn. are doing just fine.
Also, it's not widely known, but Voinovich has not been happy with his GOP party and has spoken out against them from time to time...his comment below makes sense to me, especially looking at how your Tenn. Senators voted on this jobs bill...
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"We got too many Jim DeMints and Tom Coburns," Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) told the Columbus Dispatch. "It's the southerners."
Voinovich, a native Clevelander who retires after the 2010 election, continued after the southern elements of the GOP.
"They get on TV and go 'errrr, errrrr,'" he said. "People hear them and say, 'These people, they're southerners. The party's being taken over by southerners. What they hell they got to do with Ohio?'"
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Most of the GOP senators did not want this bill to even come to a Senate vote,
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giving tax breaks to businesses that hire the unemployed.
that portion definitely sounds conservative....really interested in reading some analysis on the overall bill to see what else is in there and if this was a truly bi-partisan effort
nologo...Tax cuts used to be a conservative idea but in this case, the GOP didn't want this bill to pass and complained bitterly when new Massachusetts Republican Senator Scott Brown and four other Republicans broke party ranks to defeat a GOP filibuster.
ok....but I was making mention of there being conservative measure in this bill, nothing about the GOP itself...I haven't been able to find more of the meat that is in it (if anyone has, please link) so no idea if it's just one little piece of it or the main portion.
i would have thought you'd have used that to laud the Dem's efforts in being bi-partisan (with or without GOP support). and they were able to win over some bi-partisan support (even 10% these days is tough to get).
and, for the record, like most other conservatives on this board, the GOP doesn't speak for me.
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that portion definitely sounds conservative....really interested in reading some analysis on the overall bill to see what else is in there and if this was a truly bi-partisan effort
nologo...Tax cuts used to be a conservative idea but in this case, the GOP didn't want this bill to pass and complained bitterly when new Massachusetts Republican Senator Scott Brown and four other Republicans broke party ranks to defeat a GOP filibuster.
Mac ... could it POSSIBLY be that they AGREED with the tax cuts and other bi-partisian measures in the bill ... but didn't agree with the other $20 billion plus of expendatures that got tacked on with it??
Could it be possible be that maybe they actually wanted the bill passed, but not in it's current form? They wanted to vote yes, but they didn't want to vote on it yet because it had too much crap also added to it?
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No Excl, it couldn't possibly be any of that, it's quite simply because they hate average Americans. 
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I wondering why this has to be another bill. Couldn't Congress or Obama just use 15bil of the Stimulus money to Stimulate the job market. I thought that's what it was for. Silly me  . Oh well what's another $15,000,000,000.00
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Which is still less than they used to "stimulate" food stamp recipients .....
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Most of the GOP senators did not want this bill to even come to a Senate vote,
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DC...you tell me why all but 5 GOP senators voted to kill this bill and gave their new Senator Scott Brown all kinds of hell for joining 4 other GOP senators to wanted this legislation passed?
You tell me why GOP senators voted to kill a jobs bill with tax cuts and gave new Senator Scott Brown of hell for joining 4 other GOP senators to wanted this legislation passed?
You tell me why all but 5 GOP senators tried to kill the bill with tax cuts then turned around and voted to pass the very same legislation once their fillibuster was voted down?
You tell me why the GOP is increasingly ANTI-AMERICAN WORKER?
Bunning Blocks Emergency Unemployment Benefits Extension
February 25, 2010 - by Donny Shaw
The AP reports on Sen. Jim Bunning’s [R, KY] forced delay of congressional action to extend unemployment insurance benefits, which will begin expiring for millions of unemployed Americans on Monday:
The Senate failed late Thursday to extend programs for laid-off workers, jeopardizing unemployment benefits scheduled to expire over the weekend.
The benefits are part of a larger package of government programs, from highway funding to loans for small businesses, set to expire Sunday because senators couldn’t agree on how to pay for an extension.
The House passed a bill Thursday extending the programs for a month while lawmakers consider how to address the issues long-term. Senate Democrats repeatedly tried to follow suit Thursday night but they couldn’t overcome the objections of a single lawmaker, Republican Sen. Jim Bunning of Kentucky, that the $10 billion bill would add to the budget deficit.
The bill would extend subsidies to help laid-off workers pay health premiums through the COBRA program. It would extend funding for highway projects and spare doctors from a 21 percent cut in Medicare payments. It would extend a small business loan program, the National Flood Insurance Program and the copyright license used by satellite television providers.
The Senate adjourned just before midnight with no further votes scheduled until Tuesday. To avoid an interruption in benefits, senators would have to act quickly when they return, a task made difficult by Senate rules that let a single senator slow the process. Bunning vowed to fight the extensions as long as they add to the deficit, though he acknowledged they will probably eventually pass.
Even though unemployment benefits extensions are generally considered non-controversial, Senate Republicans have delayed their passage for several weeks every time it has come up during this recession. The last time Congress debated an extension, in October, Senate Republicans held it up for five weeks, despite it passing in the end on a unanimous 98-0 vote. It’s about blocking the Democrats’ other legislative priorities. Time is a precious commodity in the Senate, and with the Democrats considering the unemployment extensions “must-pass” items, they present prefect opportunities to the Republicans to stall.
But I wonder if there is a paradox here: With the unemployment rate so high and so many people relying on UI benefits, the extensions are especially effective bills for the Republicans to use for killing time. But that also means that there are more voters following the UI extensions and feeling bitter about being used for political points. At some point, the constituent backlash must outweigh the political gain. That point will come sooner if the media tells the story truthfully.
The bill is H.R. 4691. We should have full data on it and a page on OpenCongress in the morning.
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EVERYONE...you tell me why the GOP party is Anti-American worker choosing to play political games with the workers of America and their families?
My guess...average blue collar American workers do not donate enough money to the re-election campaigns to even rate on the GOP's CEO driven agenda.
Again, I point out that Ohio's Senators, one GOP and one Dem, joined together for the workers of Ohio and America. Maybe Voinovich is right...
"We got too many Jim DeMints and Tom Coburns," Voinovich told the Columbus Dispatch Monday. "It's the Southerners….
"They get on TV and go 'errrr, errrrr,'" he said, according to the paper. "People hear them and say, 'These people, they're Southerners. The party's being taken over by Southerners. What they hell they got to do with Ohio?'"
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You tell me why the GOP hates American workers
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Tell me about it.. I'm tired of feeling as if my elected officials are talking down to me like they are the parent and I'm the child
I hate being treated that way too. Haven't noticed it that much from my elected officials but it is more than anything the reason I no longer listen to these political talk radio programs.
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Haven't noticed it that much from my elected officials but it is more than anything the reason I no longer listen to these political talk radio programs.
Oh yeah,,, Political Talk Show Hosts.. A breed apart.. One I honestly think we could do without.. JMO however....
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I can't say that I fully agree with him blocking things like that, especially if his only motivation is partisan delaying tactics... but just a couple of things that popped into my head as I read that: Quote:
set to expire Sunday because senators couldn't agree on how to pay for an extension.
This isn't a totally bad thing. One of the biggest problems with these people is that they are constantly spending without figuring out how they heck it is going to be paid for. They're worse than 13 year olds girls in the mall with their parent's credit card.
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The bill would extend subsidies to help laid-off workers pay health premiums through the COBRA program. It would extend funding for highway projects and spare doctors from a 21 percent cut in Medicare payments. It would extend a small business loan program, the National Flood Insurance Program and the copyright license used by satellite television providers.
This is the sort of thing that really chaffs me: Why the hell is Flood Insurance and satellite copyright license included in this? I can *almost* understand the Medicare part being in there , but those other two have no business at all being attached to this bill.
And speaking of the Medicare stuff - can anyone enlighten me on those pending cuts? I've seen them mentioned all over the place and they are/were a major bargaining chip for the administration to get the AMA on board with their HealthCare Reform. If they are such a bad thing to be looming, why are they still looming? Why was the pending cut created in the first place?
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DC...you tell me why all but 5 GOP senators voted to kill this bill and gave their new Senator Scott Brown all kinds of hell for joining 4 other GOP senators to wanted this legislation passed?
You tell me why GOP senators voted to kill a jobs bill with tax cuts and gave new Senator Scott Brown of hell for joining 4 other GOP senators to wanted this legislation passed?
You tell me why all but 5 GOP senators tried to kill the bill with tax cuts then turned around and voted to pass the very same legislation once their fillibuster was voted down?
You tell me why the GOP is increasingly ANTI-AMERICAN WORKER?
I was honestly hoping you would tell me mac, instead of restating my question.. sort of to prove that you actually knew WHY some people elect to vote against some things... but you have no desire to learn WHY people do things and you choose to spout the democratic talking points.. in short, you are full of it.
Every time something like this happens, I'm reminded of a story a number of years back about an Iowa senator that voted against a farm subsidy package, as he was up for re-election, his opponent campaigned around Iowa on how this guy didn't support farmers, which as you can imagine, is pretty important in Iowa... the guy that had voted against it had done so because HE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS ENOUGH. He knew that if they passed the measure the issue would be taken off the table and there would be NO CHANCE to fight for MORE for his farmers... very few people ever heard that story because the guy was a republican and his counterpart was a democrat so the republican senators version of why he did what he did was never publicized...
Which brings me back to this bill and the fact that you don't care why the republicans voted against it, all you want to do is shout about them being obstructionists and against the American worker...
Well here it is mac, here is a brief article on why so many republicans were against it... since you are too freakin' lazy to look it up for yourself and find ... "the rest of the story"..
Jobs bill advances with help from Brown
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Bipartisanship broke out in the Senate on Monday, aided by newly minted Sen. Scott Brown, as senators rewarded the hardball tactics of Democratic leaders and avoided a filibuster by voting to move forward with Democrats' $15 billion bill to spur job creation through highway construction and hiring incentives.
After months of legislative gridlock, the vote was fraught with tension as both sides waited to see how it would shake out. But five Republicans broke with their party and joined 55 Democrats and two independents to prevent the threatened filibuster — two more than the 60 votes needed.
It was also the first major test for the Senate since Mr. Brown's election last month, which broke Democrats' filibuster-proof majority. The Massachusetts Republican was the first senator on the floor Monday evening to vote, eager to record his "yes," and he said his vote was meant to signal "a strong step toward restoring bipartisanship in Washington."
Whether that's true remains to be seen, but Democrats were hopeful.
"I hope this is the beginning of a new day in the Senate," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, who was beaming after the vote. Minutes earlier, before the vote, he had taken to the Senate floor to berate Republicans for "looking for ways not to support this."
Mr. Reid had reason to be afraid going into the vote.
Two weeks ago, he scuttled a bipartisan jobs bill worked on by the top Democrat and Republican on the Finance Committee, and instead brought to the floor the $15 billion version he wrote himself. He then used parliamentary tactics to prevent anyone from offering amendments, meaning the Senate has to either accept his version or join the filibuster.
Mr. Reid said the bipartisan bill went too far and that the provisions in his version had universal approval. He promised to come back to do more jobs-related legislation soon.
But Sen. Charles E. Grassley, the Iowa Republican who helped write the bipartisan bill, said Mr. Reid has poisoned the discussion and hurt the cause of cooperation.
"I was under the impression that the Senate democratic leadership was genuine in its desire to work on a bipartisan basis, but clearly I was mistaken," he said.
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See mac, there WAS a bipartisan jobs bill on the table that actually did MORE than this piece of crap that Harry Reid produced, and it was produced by the finance committee but Harry Reid, well he obviously knows more than the bipartisan group on the finance committee, so he wrote his own, prevented anybody from amending it and sent it out there. Because his version had "univeral appeal".... bull crap. More appeal than one that democrats and republicans had crafted together? This is the partisan crap that republicans keep being asked to support, then when they don't, they are labeled the ones doing the obstructing by our inglorious media... it's crap mac, and if you were willing to take the time to look it up instead of just spewing the same old tired cliches around here, you would know that.
So mac, now I have another question for you to avoid... should the senate have been voting on the exclusive Harry Reid "universal appeal" bill or should they have been voting on the bi-partisan finance committee bill which accomplished more?
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DC..the point I'm making remains unanswered...if GOP Senators voted to fillibuster this bill (all 41 GOP senators minus Voinovich, Scott Brown, Collins, Snow, Bond), then voted for the bill on a final vote, why did they try to fillibuster the bill?
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See mac, there WAS a bipartisan jobs bill on the table that actually did MORE than this piece of crap that Harry Reid produced, and it was produced by the finance committee but Harry Reid, well he obviously knows more than the bipartisan group on the finance committee, so he wrote his own, prevented anybody from amending it and sent it out there. Because his version had "univeral appeal".... bull crap.
DC...read and learn...
Sen. Reid kills Baucus bill, narrows focus of jobs legislation after complaints
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is rewriting a jobs bill after Democrats complained of too many concessions to Republicans.
Reid announced Thursday that he would cut drastically back on the jobs bill Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) introduced only hours earlier, essentially overruling the powerful chairman.
The Finance Committee estimated that Reid’s proposal would cost approximately $15 billion.
The Baucus bill, which was estimated at $85 billion, included $31 billion in tax extenders that Reid has decided to leave out. A Senate Democratic leadership aide said Reid decided to drop the tax extenders after Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) declined to endorse the Baucus package.
“We’re going to move this afternoon to a smaller package than talked about in the press,” Reid said.
A spokesperson for Sen. Chuck Grassley (Iowa), the ranking Republican on the Finance Committee and the co-sponsor of the Baucus bill, said Reid’s move risks turning a bipartisan bill into another partisan vote.
“Senator Reid’s announcement sends a message that he wants to go partisan and blame Republicans when Senator Grassley and others were trying to find common ground on solutions to help get the economy back on track and people back to work,” said Grassley’s spokesperson Jill Kozeny. “Senator Reid did this just as Republican senators were saying they liked things in the Baucus-Grassley draft, which would have prevented billions of dollars in tax increases and offset any spending. The Majority Leader pulled the rug out from work to build broad-based support for tax relief and other efforts to help the private sector recover from the economic crisis.”
The Democratic leadership aide disputed the notion that Reid had yanked the rug out from under Baucus, noting that Reid has decided to keep the four core provisions of Baucus’s legislation.
The aide said Reid decided to simplify the legislation to “short-circuit potential criticism from one side or the other,” referring to potential Democratic and Republican critics.
Reid’s bill also does not extend unemployment and COBRA benefits that many in both parties want; an aide to the majority leader said those extensions would be handled in a separate bill.
Reid heard loud complaints of dissatisfaction over Baucus’s bill during a Democratic Conference meeting held Thursday afternoon, according to a senator who attended.
But Reid said he decided to overhaul the legislation even before listening to his fellow Democrats vent their anger.
“I made the decision before I came to the caucus; I just wanted to make sure they were supportive of what I was doing and they’re very supportive,” Reid said.
The bill now includes four components: tax credits for employers who hire new workers; a provision allowing businesses to write off the cost of capital investments; Build America Bonds, which allow state and local governments to lower their borrowing costs; and a one-year extension of funding for transportation programs in the Surface Transportation Act.
Reid said the Senate would take up the revised jobs bill when lawmakers return to Washington after the Presidents’ Day recess.
Baucus had stuffed the bill with many provisions that Democratic senators thought went beyond the goal of creating jobs, such as $31 billion in extensions to expiring tax provisions, including the research and development tax credit. That and other tax cuts were included to win GOP votes.

Going into Thursday’s meeting, Democrats complained the bill did not focus enough on job creation.

“I would prefer a jobs bill that simply focused on job-creating initiatives, this bill has become something more than that,” said Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.), who led early negotiations to produce a jobs bill, said before the meeting. “Maybe that’s what has to be done in order to get some bipartisan support.”

Reid said he decided to rewrite the legislation to send a clear message to people struggling financially in the midst of the biggest national recession since the Great Depression.


“The message is so watered-down with people wanting other things in this big package,” said Reid.
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DC...sounds to me like Reid looked at the Baucus/Grassley "bi partisan" bill and decided it looked more like a Christmas tree, loaded with pig slop deals to gain GOP support, and he torpedoed it.
You prefer the $85 billion jobs bill or the $15 bill slimmed down jobs bill?
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and you think this article was pro-Democrat?
but it's everyone else who has the reading comprehension issues. right.
and don't even start on the $15bil vs. $85bil for the cost. they even mention that there will be separate bills for the other things the Democrats want to get passed as well (so who knows what it ends up at...they are just breaking it up to seem like a smaller slice).
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Ummm ....
Excuse me ..... but I have a question to anyone and no one in particular ......
But ......
Didn't the President ... just a week or 2 ago .... state that there would be no more spending that wasn't funded, and that was going to increase the deficit?
I could have sworn that I heard something like that.
There was going to be some big debt commission ....
No more unfunded expenditures .....
No more adding to the debt ....
Did I hear wrong?
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No - you heard correctly. But - it was discretionary funding only - not medicare, not the military, not a whole lot. Plus, it was announced shortly after it was announced that certain discretionary funding had gone up 84%.........so - it amounted to politics as usual - from the guy that promised change and openness.
The same guy that said just thursday - agree with me, and show your bipartisanship - or disagree with a huge spending health care reform bill that will benefit no one but the gov't. and we'll call you partisan. (although, if I remember correctly, he didn't use those exact words)
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is rewriting a jobs bill after Democrats complained of too many concessions to Republicans.
I read.. didn't learn much. There was a bi-partisan bill on the table, Reid didn't like it so rather than work out the bugs of the bi-partisan bill, he wrote his own and shoved it down everybodys throat... and it's STILL the republicans that are playing politics.
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The aide said Reid decided to simplify the legislation to “short-circuit potential criticism from one side or the other,” referring to potential Democratic and Republican critics.
The group that has drafted and redrafted a THREE THOUSAND PAGE HEALTH CARE BILL, loaded it up with pork and pet projects... then ATTACHED IT TO A BUDGET BILL FOR VOTE.. is now going to make things simpler and wants to make sure this bill gets it's own vote... Ah, nothing in DC quite smells like hypocrisy in the morning.
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