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Didn't any hear Holmgren say he was hoping to sign Peppers by March 5th? Not trying to spread rumors but a buddy of mine said he heard this and I can't find anything about it on the net..
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Holmgren covered other Browns topics during his media session. He termed contract talks with KR/WR Josh Cribbs as “moving” and said the team had talked about the possibility of adding DE Julius Peppers, who will become an unrestricted free agent March 5 because the Panthers have decided not to use the franchis tag on him.Holmgren also was complimentary of coach Eric Mangini, whom he decided to keep when he took the job this offseason. – Justin Hathaway http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/02/26/holmgren-qb-decision-due-before-andersons-bonus/
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Don't know why the bashing was necessary...
Anyhow, I haven't really weighed in on this too much, but I believe Peppers to be freakishly athletic enough to succeed at OLB in the 3-4.
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Yeah and he is trying to bring Jeff Garcia back
Not the worst idea I've heard.
But yes, I'm all for Peppers now. Would love to see him in Cleveland.
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So what kind of baggage does he have as far as cap? And is he a lockerroom problem. He is quite the physical package, impressive! But is he a bank breaker to sign? Do we "owe" anything if we pick him up? I thought he was still under contract, but am probably wrong there as well. Interesting idea for reasonable money IMO.
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He is an unrestricted free and will probably want Albert Haynesworth type money even though he takes plays off.
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I'm pretty sure Peppers is an unrestricted free agent which allows him to sign with anyone he wants without compensating the Panthers for signing him..my guess is that he will get a $100 million contract from someone similar to what Haynesworth recieved from the Redskins..
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I don't recall who on Sirius was talking about this yesterday, but he said that he was talking to a GM (wouldn't name who) that was saying that he was expecting Peppers to get a contract at about $10m/year average with no more than $20m guaranteed. If I recall correctly, he cited something about age (though I believe he's only 30, so ???) and not always playing at 100% were reasons why - but also that he wouldn't be surprised if the contract were higher because someone will pay it.
I take that as a grain of salt - if someone like Jerry Jones or Daniel Snyder decides that Peppers is a must have, they will overpay. And in an uncapped year, they could do something ridiculious like a $25m first year salary to reduce future cap implications.
Personally, I'm ok with $10-12m/year for him, but not much more than that.
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The Cowboys (along with the Colts, Saints, Jets, Vikings, Chargers, Ravens, and Cardinals) will have some restrictions on how and who they spend their free agency on. Quote:
During the Final League Year, the eight clubs that make the Divisional Playoffs in the previous season have additional restrictions that limit their ability to sign unrestricted free agents from other clubs. In general, the four clubs participating in the championship games are limited in the number of free agents that they may sign; the limit is determined by the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs. They cannot sign any UFAs unless one of theirs is signed by another team.
For the four clubs that lost in the Divisional Playoffs, in addition to having the ability to sign free agents based on the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs, they may also sign players based on specific financial parameters. Those four only will be permitted to sign one unrestricted free agent for $5.5 million (estimated) or more in year one of the contract, plus the number of their UFAs who sign with another team. They also can sign any unrestricted free agents for less than $3.7 (estimated) million in year one of the contract with limitations on the per year increases.
In the case of all final eight teams, the first year salary of UFAs they sign to replace those lost cannot exceed the first year salary of the player lost with limitations on the per year increases.
So the Cowboys would be able to sign Peppers, but only if they made the first year of the contract worth more than $5.5 million (as you suggested). But if they signed him they wouldn't be able to sign any other free agents unless it was for less than $3.7 million.
I don't see the Cowboys going after Peppers anyway. They just signed Ware to a huge extension and Anthony Spencer really started to come on towards the end of the season.
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I was using Jerry Jones as an example - wasn't saying Dallas would or could even make an effort for him.
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Looks like Florio overreacted to it until they got the quote and updated it.
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Holmgren's comments on Peppers look like tampering
To me this is one of those strange things.. First Peppers was released remember, then someone within the Panthers discoverd that there were CAP implications and suddenly he wasn't released anymore.
Now, we hear Holmgren say that they have had discussions about Peppers.. and from my view, there is a clear violation of the anti tampering rule.
But again, the twist is, the Panthers have already tipped thier hands.. Not sure that it matters however.
I'm thinking that, odd circumstances aside, I bet we lose a pick... Just a guess.
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If we lose a pick I'll be pretty steamed at Holmgren.
This is the NFL and he's taken on the responsibility of running a franchise so he has to be careful when he's talking to the media. It's not some cabin by the lake in the woods where the fellas sit around the stove and shoot the breeze while drinking mediocre wine and sparking up some sparkies. Do I make myself clear?
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MMM, I don't see it. This is a unique situation. He was already released, and then resigned.
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I don't see him breaking any rule. He didn't say specifically that he was talking to Peppers, just that he would be in the conversation. To me that is not a specific statement.
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C'mon Lamp,, nothings been decided yet as far as we know.. Let it play out..
There are some unusual circumstances in this thing.. I'd wait until it's sorted out...
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the list of ufa is so short, everyteam has had a meeting discussing Peppers as a possiblity. Maybe it lasted two minutes, maybe it's still going on. Mike did not say we are going after Peppers or we are making an offer to Peppers.
It's no different than saying we are looking at all the possible options for improving this team. It's all in the wording.
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I think you are "misremembering". Joey Porter was the guy that was released, then someone within the Dolphins organization discovered that there were CAP implications and suddenly he wasn't released anymore.
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Holy Zeus almighty,, danged if you ain't right..
So, that changes my thinking.. Looks like tampering to me then...
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I'm pretty sure Peppers is an unrestricted free agent which allows him to sign with anyone he wants without compensating the Panthers for signing him..my guess is that he will get a $100 million contract from someone similar to what Haynesworth recieved from the Redskins..
probably right. I believe he's the highest salaried player in the NFL right now. Something close to $17million a year. So, a five year deal could easily go $100 million. If we sign him, I would hope we wouldn't commit to more then three years.
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The only reason he was the highest paid player is because he was franchised two years in a row. His new annual salary will be nowhere close to what he made last year.
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According to the linked article, the 49ers contacted Briggs agent and had to forfeit a 5th round pick. Holgren did not contact Peppers or his agent. Is what Holmren did tampering? Would it be worth a 5th round pick? I'll be pissed at the NFL if anything more than a 7th is the punishment. http://www.kcra.com/sports/15695947/detail.html
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no way is this tampering
He said, the team is talking.
Not players, not agents.
Yes, and who did he say that too... THE PRESS.. they can talk about players all they want behind closed doors, they aren't supposed to discuss them in the press.. that's tampering..
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This is Florio's attempt at throwing something at the wall to see if it will stick. His latest kick is tampering. Next week who knows what or who he'll take a whack at.
There is nothing here. At most MH gets a call from the league office.
Climb down off the ledge, guys.
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There have been a few guys (coaches and GMs) interviewed on Sirius and they were point blank asked about Peppers - all pretty much said the same thing - they've talked about him or considered him - if Holmgren did anything wrong, so have a few others. This is just Florio being a hater and/or rumor monger again. He's worthless as a "journalist".
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A GM\presedent/czar is asked, by the press(who else would ask) If they are interested in a player.
If the ruling body says yes, is it tampering?
If they say, no, is it not?
MH, Heckert, and EM may have talked about Peppers.
But, I don't think the article says anything about MH (or anyone else),talking to the player or agents.
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I think you may have missed my point RoosteR...
Any press guy can ask anything.. If Holmgren was asked about a specific player, say Peppers, the right answer should be,, "I can't discuss players under contract"... or "NO COMMENT"
Now let me say one other thing about this no tampering rule. If the entire world knows a player is being release,, as is the case with Peppers, what's the big deal about speaking openly about it.
I hope that this is just Florio going off his rocker again like a couple of guys have already said on here.. I'd hate to lose a pick over something so picky,
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we hear Holmgren say that they have had discussions about Peppers
This isn't even close to tampering. IMHO He just said that they were "discussing" adding JP. He didn't say that he talked With Peppers or any of his representatives! I'm sure with FA coming up that Every team is discussing who they might go after. JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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IMHO He just said that they were "discussing" adding JP.
I don't have the exact rule and when I tried to look it up all I got was opinion about the exact wording.
So, what I have done is sent an email to an NFL Staffer who I stay in contact with and asked him for the information.
It's impossible for any of us to make any kind of accurate decision of whether this is or isn't tampering until we see the rules..
So, when I get them, I'll post them.. Maybe Purp can put them in the archieve for future use as well..
I'll let you know when I hear back.
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FYI, just got one of those "out of office autoreply" emails back from the NFL staffer, apparently he's at the combine and has limited email access.. until Wednesday March 3rd.. So I wouldn't expect a response until late in the week...
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Thanks D...will be interested in the info.
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when I tried to look it up all I got was opinion about the exact wording
I had the same problem.
I also couldn't find any video of the part of the interview where MH talked about Julius.
Was he asked about Peppers or just blurt it out?
Did he say Julius Peppers or could he have been talking about some other Julius.
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Was he asked about Peppers or just blurt it out?
Did he say Julius Peppers or could he have been talking about some other Julius
I don't have the answers to that..
Other than a transcript I read somewhere indicated he was asked about Peppers and he responded.. But dang it, I can't confirm it.
Either way it's a two pronged problem.. What exactly was said and what does the rule say..
I'm trying to get the rule,, then I'll work on what was actually said.
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I found this. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/02/26/1276309/peppers-move-draws-interest.htmlAnd a former coach whose team made the late, great Reggie White the league's first mega-free agent signee 17 years ago discussed whether Peppers could have a similar impact on his new team as White, also a defensive end, had on Green Bay after he left Philadelphia. "As great a player as Julius is, I'd be reluctant to compare anybody to Reggie White," said Mike Holmgren, the former Packers coach who's beginning his first year as the Cleveland Browns' team president. White helped the Packers to a Super Bowl title on his way to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Holmgren made it clear, however, that he's thought about entering the Peppers' sweepstakes, while acknowledging concerns about the cost. "When we talk about possible free agents, certainly Julius is one of the guys we talk about," said Holmgren. "Then I have to put on my other hat because there are some financial ramifications there." and this, yikes! Last summer, after Peppers had a private meeting with team owner Jerry Richardson, the Panthers are believed to have offered a multi-year contract averaging between $13million and $14million annually. But the offer fell short of Peppers' request to be the league's highest-paid defensive player.
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Well, I gotta say, if that's accurate, I don't see how this is tampering. anyway, hopefully, I'll get the rules on that subject for future reference. Quote:
And a former coach whose team made the late, great Reggie White the league's first mega-free agent signee 17 years ago discussed whether Peppers could have a similar impact on his new team as White, also a defensive end, had on Green Bay after he left Philadelphia.
Wow, is it me or is this eerily similar to the GB situation 
I have to say that when it comes to high level character,, I'd have to say that Reggie White stands taller in the saddle than Peppers.. JMO however.
Actually, White stood taller in the saddle then most folks..
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