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Reprimand them and move on.

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no taking peanut butter to school

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wait a second there. i thought we shipped off all the kids with peanut allergies to Alaska?

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I'm sure the kid was being told exactly what to say and they were still performing the duties they were supposed to be doing.

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Good gawd, are we THIS uptight as a society?

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Its one of those were you say, but what if something DID happen?

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Then the kid would of been pushed aside and the regular employee would of taken over. This is the equivlent of inviting your kid over to the firehouse to washdown the fire engines and ambulances (part of the mundane work of being a fireworker) ... yet the media freaking out as if the kid was driving the ambulance himself during an emergency call.

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Good gawd, are we THIS uptight as a society?

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I think it's more of a media sensationalist, fear-inducing, aspect than anything. They're trying to make a non-story into something worse than it actually is. They lead you on to believe, through the headline, that this kid had either A.) hijacked a radio frequency and was guiding planes in to land, or B.) was guiding in planes with the consent of an adult. Either way it's a total hyperbole of what actually happened.

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Would you agree it was bad judgment on the ATC's part?

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When the union head says, " We do not condone this type of behavior in any way, and it is not indicative of the highest professional standards that controllers set for themselves and exceed each and every day in the advancement of aviation safety”, it adds a little more to it than media sensationalism.

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That's what he has to say, just like Tiger has to say he's sorry and A-rod has to say he's sorry and people in politics have to act with righteous indignation every time one of them gets caught... would this blow over or blow up if he came on and said the truth, "The guy was just having fun with his kid, nobody was in any danger, y'all need to find some real news to report on." which is what he SHOULD have said, but then he'd get fired too and there would definitely be an investigation.... oddly enough, the only people that are never investigated simply for doing stupid stuff and being idiots... are congress.

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WASHINGTON — For the third time in seven months, the judgment of those who operate the nation's air traffic control system has been called into question and raised concerns that the system may not be as safe as officials claim.

While major air crashes have declined sharply over the last decade, thanks largely to improved technology, aviation safety experts say they are seeing signs that complacency may be causing controllers and their supervisors to bend rules and relax their vigilance.

The latest incident was reported this week: A controller twice brought a child to work at the control tower at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York, one of the nation's busiest airports, and allowed the child to radio instructions to pilots. The Federal Aviation Administration said Wednesday the controller and his supervisor have been suspended pending an investigation of the incident last month.

The problem extends to airline pilots as well. In several recent accidents — the crash of a regional airliner in upstate New York a year ago that killed 50 people is one example — pilots broke a cardinal safety rule prohibiting nonessential conversation during landing approaches.

"The hair is beginning to stand up on the back of our necks a little bit," said Jack Casey, an aviation safety consultant and former airline pilot. "When you get complacency, you run a higher risk of having an accident."

Other recent incidents:

_In October, several controllers handed off responsibility for a Northwest Airlines jet without alerting the next controller that they had been unable to make radio contact with the plane. Supervisors also failed to follow procedures for alerting a national security communications network to the problem. As a result, the Airbus A320 carrying 144 passengers was out of radio contact for 69 minutes before the security network was alerted. Rules put in place after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks are supposed to trigger an alert when a plane can't be raised by radio for 10 minutes.

_Last August, an air traffic controller at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey who handed off a private plane to controllers at a neighboring airport failed to correct the plane's pilot when he read back the wrong radio frequency. Controllers at both airports later tried unsuccessfully to reach the pilot. The plane collided moments later with a tour helicopter over the Hudson River. Three people in the plane and six in the helicopter were killed. The Teterboro controller was chitchatting on the phone with a female friend until seconds before the collision. The controller's supervisor had left the airport to run a personal errand.

The incidents suggest a casualness about rules that undermines safety, said Carol Carmody, a former National Transportation Safety Board member and former FAA official.

"If they don't follow fairly rigid procedures, they're going to make mistakes," Carmody said. "If you are in the safety business, you make a big deal out of anything like this because random events cause accidents."

Even more serious is that the controllers in the Teterboro and Kennedy incidents appear to have felt free to break rules, which suggests supervisors tolerated such lapses, said Michael Barr, who teaches aviation safety at the University of Southern California.

FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said the incidents were "isolated occurrences" and not indicative of a broader safety problem.

"The unfortunate behavior of a few individuals doesn't reflect the true caliber of our work force," she said.

The FAA is implementing a new program that encourages air traffic controllers to report safety problems, including their own mistakes, so that the agency can spot trends and act to prevent future problems, Brown said. To encourage reporting, controllers aren't punished for errors they identify.

The agency has had a similar program for pilots for nearly a decade.

FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt, in speeches and congressional testimony, has called on pilots and air traffic controllers to create a professional atmosphere in cockpits and radar facilities and not to tolerate rule-breaking by colleagues.

The NTSB is concerned enough about the situation that it has scheduled a forum this spring on pilot and air traffic controller professionalism.

In a statement responding to the Kennedy incident, the National Air Traffic Controllers Association — the union that represents controllers — said it doesn't "condone this type of behavior in any way."

But Mary Schiavo, a former Transportation Department inspector general who has filed a lawsuit against the FAA on behalf of the families of five Italian tourists killed in the Hudson River collision, said there needs to be a strong message sent from the top. She suggested Babbitt and Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood call "an all-hands-on-deck meeting and make sure air traffic controllers know it's every rule every time."
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20100304/US.Air.Traffic.Controllers/

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no taking peanut butter to school

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wait a second there. i thought we shipped off all the kids with peanut allergies to Alaska?

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Would a heart surgeon bringing his kid into the operating room and letting him stitch up the heart ( all while being closely supervised of course ) be awarded the same lattitude ? Just curious .

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Would a heart surgeon bringing his kid into the operating room and letting him stitch up the heart ( all while being closely supervised of course ) be awarded the same lattitude ? Just curious .

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You ALWAYS follow protocol and never make a mistake?

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Hardly , but I always knew that when I did that "justice" would be swift and immediate and in all likelihood out of all proportion with the crime .