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ESPN Link above.... speculation is that it is a low pick. If its anything lower than a 3rd, we got jobbed. Williams has talent but we were playing him in the wrong spot in the 3-4. The article also mentions that Rogers is on the block
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It's probably a 6th round pick. As I said in a prior post:
Early = 1st or 2nd Round
Mid = 3rd-5th Round
Late = 6th or 7th Round
And I've been told the Lions don't have a 7th round pick.
Also as I've been told, Williams was on the hook for $10 million. So it was pretty much a salary dump (something we don't see very often in the NFL via trade).
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So who does this leave us at end?
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I was guessing a 6th, hearing it may be a 5th, though, but we won't know till it's announced.
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If it is, in fact, a 5th rounder, it's basically a 4th rounder with the Lions being absolutely terrible.
Not a bad deal for the Browns.
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Smith & Coleman?
Add DE to the list of areas that need upgraded.
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Call me the turd in the punch bowl but I thought Cory Williams played lights-out at the end of the season. He finally got the starting role and he was very productive. I find it curious they'd part with him for a 5th or 6th. I realize contract had something to do with it but with all the rumors swirling about Rogers being trade bait, it seems we might be turning one of the few strengths of this team, DL depth, to a weakness. How many 5th or 6th rounders ever pan out? How many pan out as well as Williams? Even if he was only sightly below average like he was last year he'd still be worth more to us than a 6th IMO.
Oh well, here we go....
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Call me the turd in the punch bowl but I thought Cory Williams played lights-out at the end of the season. He finally got the starting role and he was very productive. I find it curious they'd part with him for a 5th or 6th. I realize contract had something to do with it but with all the rumors swirling about Rogers being trade bait, it seems we might be turning one of the few strengths of this team, DL depth, to a weakness. How many 5th or 6th rounders ever pan out? How many pan out as well as Williams? Even if he was only sightly below average like he was last year he'd still be worth more to us than a 6th IMO.
Oh well, here we go....
Williams was average at the end of the year because they used him in a situational role.
He wasn't anything near his contract and didn't like the defense here. No point in keeping him around.
As for Rogers...I don't see the benefit of keeping an aging NT no matter how great he may be. I'd try to maximize his value since Rubin is looking to be a fairly good NT.
you had a good run Hank.
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If it wasn't already on the list. Robaire Smith (age 32) and Kenyon Colemen (almost age 31) are getting to be there in years. Here are some free agents who could play DE in the 3-4. Unrestricted: Justin Bannan, Jarvis Green, Travis Kirschke, Shaun Smith (  ) Restricted: Travis Johnson(1st round tender), Johnny Jolly (1st round tender)
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If it wasn't already on the list. Robaire Smith (age 32) and Kenyon Colemen (almost age 31) are getting to be there in years.
Here are some free agents who could play DE in the 3-4.
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Justin Bannan, Jarvis Green, Travis Kirschke, Shaun Smith ()
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Travis Johnson(1st round tender), Johnny Jolly (1st round tender)
I have a, ahem, gut feeling that we'll hear something about Bannan coming to Cleveland pretty soon.
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Well, if your "gut" is right, he won't be coming to Cleveland until he at least visits Denver. Link
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We'll have to fight the Broncos for him. He already has a visit set up with them.
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Anything less than a Top100 pick is a bad deal....I know he costs 5mil/year the next 2 seasons but Linemen, esp. in FA ARE more expensive than many other positions....we would have cut him because of the salary but the fact we get a pick means there were numerous teams who want him and getting him even at that price to play in a 4-3 for a lousy 5th or 6th is an absolute steal...I hope it's at least the high 5th...the difference would be 40picks or so and in the top of the 5th there should be some talent left in this deep draft
If it's only the 6th I sure hope we have some conditional late pick for next draft too
Recap: So we kept C.Williams for 2 years, paying him all his roster bonuses in those years...and now that he gets "cheaper" to keep we throw him away for next to nothing? Yeah...another move that makes sense
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To me, if it was deemed the guy didn't fit what we wanted to do on Defense, and he was going to cost a boatload of money, getting anything for him was a pretty good deal.
Sounds like we were looking for a trade before we released him.
We found one, so good job IMO.
To pay for some new guy we bring in....say a qb....we just cleared 5 mil in money already on the books and probably still factored in to the salary structure...now we have 10 mil already waiting to help pay for the new guy.
remember....Lerner has us on a cap...we aren't just going to spend money way out of line with what we have been spending. I don't think any owner is going to do much of that...at least this year.
The league and players are still trying to hammer out a labor deal. If the owners start spending millions above and beyond, that doesn't help their argument that team margins are pretty close.
As a matter of fact, I would expect to see money spent on salaries to go down somewhat....I think we are seeing the beginnings of that in the type of tenders we are slapping on some of these free agents.
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He wasn't anything near his contract and didn't like the defense here. No point in keeping him around.
I think this might be a bigger reason to trade him.. He gets a load of money from the Browns.. so, we pick up a Draft Pick (guess maybe 5th or 6th) and dump a big salary.
I know there isn't a CAP this season, but the Browns have stated that they intend to stay under last years CAP + an added 10% or so.
So this may mean, we dump players that don't fit what we want in order to be active in FA... and on Draft Day...
I think I'll wait until the entire picture is painted before knocking the artist 
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anybody else notice on the right of the page the link took you to, the Lions also signed Burleson. I would have liked to get him.
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we can easily replace Williams late in the draft...
Kade Weston of UGA - 6'5 - 320 projected rounds 6-7
Al Woods of LSU - 6'4 - 310 - projected rounds 6- UFA
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Meh, Williams was an underachiever.
If we got anything for him, that would be a bonus.
Clears cap room for DP's and possibly a big free agent signing.
Now, the talk of getting rid of Rogers is a bit troublesome. He's one of the only defensive players on the entire team that's worth a crap. Wonder if that's a sign he's not funny recovered from his ankle injury?
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Meh, Williams was an underachiever.
If we got anything for him, that would be a bonus.
You guys are hilarious....he was one of the better DL we had when he was allowed to see the field last season...yeah let's dump him for a 5th or 6th....Jesus, do you guys even think before you write stuff like that?
For comparisons sake: we got a 6th rounder for freaking Loius Leonard...why? because of timing. Dumping Williams now is HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE timing...at least wait till TC and preseason kicks off and some starters go to IR, we could have gotten a conditional 4th easily, maybe even a 3rd....because when teams are desperate and the season coming up and draft being far away, they don't care for picks...what did our FO do? Dump him just weeks before the draft where every late rounder is being overvalued as GOLD.....bad move all around, anyway I look at it: talent-to-compensation standpoint or timing...just bad, sorry
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Jesus, do you guys even think before you write stuff like that?
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nice....go bitch about youre underachiving elsewhere , mr. williams. you got paid to do nothing.
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And so it begins...while I want a decent pick..as usual it'll be the discount price..
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Meh, Williams was an underachiever.
If we got anything for him, that would be a bonus.
You guys are hilarious....he was one of the better DL we had when he was allowed to see the field last season...yeah let's dump him for a 5th or 6th....Jesus, do you guys even think before you write stuff like that?
LOL, relax Django. 
We dumped 10+ million in salary, free'd up a roster spot and added a middle round pick (which by the way, we don't even know where it slots yet). If it's their 4th, it would be a top 100 selection.
The guy had 4.5 sacks and 80 tackles in 32 games played as a Brown.
I'm sure we'll really miss that amazing production.
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yep, salary dump plain and simple. The coaches said last year that they liked Shafering's progress and with Rubin coming on, why not? Robaire did well, Rubin is young and Rogers can go to end.That's a decent DL Even with Williams gone there is still some depth. What do they, the FO, have in mind? 
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Ah Corey Williams..shining example of why Phil Savage will never be a GM again.
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j/c...... Did Williams have any sort of a roster bonus coming up? Perhaps that is why we dumped him now instead of waiting for a more desperate offer.
Or, perhaps it was that he didn't want to be here and we wanted to get *anything* we could for him in THIS Draft.
Either way, I *REALLY* hope that we got more than just a 5th or 6th for him. This is a guy that was given the Franchise Tag by Green Bay before we traded for him. Heading back to a 4-3 defense, he's gonna light it up for them.
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Either way, I *REALLY* hope that we got more than just a 5th or 6th for him. This is a guy that was given the Franchise Tag by Green Bay before we traded for him. Heading back to a 4-3 defense, he's gonna light it up for them.
I dunno about them valuing him as two 1sts. all it took was a 2nd round pick to get him. They prob threw the franchise tag knowing they would trade him, and then wanted to make sure that their division foes wouldn't get him. Otherwise I see no other reason why they would put a franchise tender and then go ahead and trade him for a middle 2nd round pick................ Same as Shaun Rogers the middle 3rd round pick.
Williams never started for the Packers and was coming off a season with a lot of sacks. He's like 2 or 3 years older now and hasn't performed well. He just isn't as valuable anymore and I'm not so sure he's just going to go in there in be the awesome DT they might be hoping for. I bet he was never was good against the run in the first place......... And he should get into the backfield and after the QB better than in the 3-4, but we'll have to see how great he really can be.
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Bannan played ball @ Colorado, so the Broncos may be a sort of homecoming for him. I know it's all about the $$$, but just a thought.
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I'm going to ASSume that Heckert knows what he is doing and dumped an over priced contract and got the most we were going to get. The GMs throughout the league are, so far, acting like this is anything BUT an uncapped year.  I thought that some teams might go crazy, but it appears they are using the rules concerning not taking cap hits to their advantage. That kinda tells me that they believe that a salary cap will be in place sometime in the future. Well, DUH. Right? even the Redskins cut 10 players. 
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Man does that ever seem to be a fact.. I don't see anyone jumping on the high priced talent.. just rumors..
I gotta go check out the signings thread and see if anything new happened..
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The GMs throughout the league are, so far, acting like this is anything BUT an uncapped year.
Maybe it's a case of GM's passing off overpriced players to desperate teams looking to acquire talent?
There's definitely good spending and bad spending. It looks as though we're attempting to unload the bad to try to replace it with some good.
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IMO Steinbach has significantly under-performed. Considering his contract,that is.
IDK if that will be a factor in whether or not he is moved. My feeling is if that was going to happen then Fraley would have been retained as an insurance policy.
Curious, very curious FA season so far.
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www.KFFL.comBrowns | C. Williams traded Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:33:19 -0800 John Niyo, of The Detroit News, reports the Cleveland Browns have traded DL Corey Williams and a seventh-round draft choice to the Detroit Lions for a fifth-round draft choice.
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We included a 7th?
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taking 7th round picks mean nothing, good deal for a 5th
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Yeah that doesn't make a lot of sense to me, although a 5th is better than a 7th and if we were going to release him anyways... eh I guess.
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It's hard to say where those picks are without seeing where the compensatory picks go. But we are essentially trading a 5th for a 7th. Williams would have been cut anyway because of his big price tag and because there are no cap penalties this off-season.
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