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That list only confirms what I said..plenty of players that could have impacted the Browns better than Robo/Viekune...
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That list only confirms what I said..plenty of players that could have impacted the Browns better than Robo/Viekune...
How does it confim it? Explain.
Don't get me wrong there are players on that list I would have much rather had but my point is we don't completely know which ones are gonna be great and which ones aren't. The only sure fire ones I see on there are Lauranitis and Delmas. The rest are still question marks. Are there guy's on there that have alot of potential? yes but there have been alot of busts that had "potential".
The whole point is you don't always get immediate starters and impact guy's in the second round. There are developmental guy's always taken in the second round. This years draft is different though because it is really deep.
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Yeah I wouldn't mind bringing him in either. He would be a good backup, sad to say he would probably been better than Quinn and Anderson last year if he was here too.
Oh and the benefit of having a Carr on your team as your backup............none of the fans will be screaming for him if our starter has a bad game. 
The kid probably has more upside because he lasted a little longer, but Carr is the Texans' Tim Couch.
Personally, I think we're probably at the point where you decide of the two, DA and Quinn, who is the backup (money's a diff issue,....),....but don't bring in ANOTHER QB that is a vet, that you're not making the starter. Could Carr be that guy ? I do not know, nor get paid to make that call.
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According to this article, "... the Browns are discussing quarterbacks 'on different levels.' " I would assume this means backups. Even if Brady Quinn starts we would need a new backup as Derek Anderson is as good as gone.
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The only sure fire ones I see on there are Lauranitis and Delmas. The rest are still question marks.
Disagree with this comment. I would there about 10 players on that list that I would rather have than the players we got in the second round. Bryd, Malauga, Loadholt, McCoy, Butler, Smith (x2), Brown, Unger, Lauranitis, and Delmas. All I would much rather have than Robo (and I am an OSU homer)and Veikune.
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You are right on the money (NPI),...can hardly believe DA isn't already gone.
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I'm assuming they are trying to trade him for anything they can get before they have to cut him on March 19th.
That's the smart move right?
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We have til before the 19th, when we would have to pay him, to ditch DA. Come on, lets let the bidding war reach a frantic level!!! 
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I was thinking that's the case,....trump card in hand, etc. But,...who wants this guy in any kind of a trade that would be helpful to the Browns,....
Short stick here,....
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Same situation as Corey Williams I would think. A team that really wants to lock him up and not have to compete with other teams to sign him would probably give up a 7th round pick for him.
The question is, does any team really want him?
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The only sure fire ones I see on there are Lauranitis and Delmas. The rest are still question marks.
Disagree with this comment. I would there about 10 players on that list that I would rather have than the players we got in the second round. Bryd, Malauga, Loadholt, McCoy, Butler, Smith (x2), Brown, Unger, Lauranitis, and Delmas. All I would much rather have than Robo (and I am an OSU homer)and Veikune.
Well yeah forgot to mention Byrd, MCoy and Loadholt. As for Maualuga I once wanted him but i'm glad we didn't take him because he is nothing but a trouble maker. Unger is a little light in the ass.
But anyways my point is that not every single second round pick is expected to contribute right away. They still need coached up. Hell even some first round guy's sit a year or two before they are ready.
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Of all the talk about Anderson getting cut or traded, how bout Quinn? I think they get more value out of Quinn that DA at this point. If they can re-structure the contract, I still see DA as being a back up on the Browns. They just talked about trading Quinn on the NFL network, I think it was just hypothetical though. They don't think either will be on the roster next year. We'll see what happens.
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I don't know if Carr would be that bad if he were protected better,, dude has been sacked 265 times in 8 seasons... an average of 33 times a season, except that for the last 3 years, he's been a back up that hasn't seen much action. So 16 sacks in the last three years.. looking at his time as a starter, it really is an average of 41.5 sacks a season. That boy had the heck beat out of him..
that's why it's called the Couch-Carr syndrome for QBs who have been hit so many times early in their NFL career.
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Of all the talk about Anderson getting cut or traded, how bout Quinn?
I think they will definitely trade him if they can.
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But anyways my point is that not every single second round pick is expected to contribute right away. They still need coached up. Hell even some first round guy's sit a year or two before they are ready.
That is true, look at the Bills 1st round pick Maybin. However other than perhaps a QB or a team that is good/deep a second round pick should have a noticable impact on your team. Otherwise its poor drafting.
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I think if they can strike a deal for a different QB (Kolb? Hasselbeck? Campbell?) then they will try and trade Quinn. Right now he is a safety blanket. If they can't get anyone they (Maholmkert) will say, "He was our guy all along, we were just exploring all our options."
If the rumors of Seattle being interested in signing Brandon Marshall to an offer sheet are true, I would be surprised if they would trade their veteran QB (and let Marshall play a rookie...YIKES!).
Also, I think the Redskins will hold onto Campbell as they will either have a rookie QB (Bradford or Clausen) or Campbell as their starter next year.
That leaves Kevin Kolb...
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One receiver that hasn't been talked about yet is L. Coles. He just got released by the Bengals. I was a little surprised by the release, but I understand he was a little dissapointing in Cinci. I don't know anything about the guy other than he played for the Jets before Cinci. What do you guys think? PS- Hooray for Cribbs! 
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Quarterback update: Who might be on Mike Holmgren's radar screen as he pursues one or more quarterbacks through trade?
A league source speculated on that subject. The answers might not excite Browns fans, but hear them out.
Holmgren may make a pitch to Seattle for backup quarterback Seneca Wallace. The quarerback-maker would prepare Wallace as kind of an interim quarterback to assist the Browns' transition to Holmgren's preferred style of offense.
Wallace has been Matt Hasselbeck's understudy in Seattle for seven years. He was an athletic marvel coming out Iowa State in 2003 and was used early on as an emergency receiver until Holmgren gradually developed him into a competent quarterback. Holmgren took great satisfaction in Wallace's progress under center.
Wallace is under contract through 2010. While new Seattle coach Pete Carroll has said he is pleased with Hasselbeck as his starting quarterback, Carroll may view the backup position as a target to groom his eventual starter, making Wallace expendable.
The source also sees Holmgren possibly showing interest in Green Bay backup Matt Flynn. Flynn was a seventh-round pick in 2008 and is not going to unseat starter Aaron Rodgers any time soon. But he's been exposed to a variation of the Holmgren offense. His availability is unknown.
The theory with this plan is that Holmgren might add a developmental prospect in this year's draft, but he would amp up the search for a permanent franchise quarterback in the 2011 draft.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/03/cleveland_browns_free_agency_u.html
as i said, seneca wallace was a logical potential target.
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i forgot about Flynn. yes, I agree that he has looked fantastic in extremely limited action. easily unseated 2nd round pick (or was it 3rd) Brian Brohm from Louisville for that backup spot.
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How does it confim it? Explain.
I'll merely say the ones I have in mind would be more NFL ready to go players..not guys that would have to sit for several years to acclimate to a position.
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Wallace is under contract through 2010. While new Seattle coach Pete Carroll has said he is pleased with Hasselbeck as his starting quarterback, Carroll may view the backup position as a target to groom his eventual starter, making Wallace expendable.
The source also sees Holmgren possibly showing interest in Green Bay backup Matt Flynn. Flynn was a seventh-round pick in 2008 and is not going to unseat starter Aaron Rodgers any time soon. But he's been exposed to a variation of the Holmgren offense. His availability is unknown.
May be trading Corey Williams for this 5th will then in turn give us the 5th we could send to Seatle for Seneca Wallace............. or we could give GB a 5th for Matt Flynn (I've never seen him in the NFL, although he played on good LSU teams).
Looks like Holmgren REALLY doesn't like Brady Quinn. Like he's going to get his backup or an unproven player from GB (who was picked in the 7th round, was kind of scrawny, although awfully quick, in college and wasn't the greatest passer.
Whatever he wants to do, I hope we find a RT to secure our running game. Then strengthen our defense using FA and draft. Then we hopefully won't have to pass the ball that much no matter who our QB is. The team won't be great, but we can improve on what we did well last year........
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Matt Flynn has only 62 attempt as a professional football player, including preseason. I think it would be pretty hard to make a determination on whether or not he is a starter after so little playing time. When I first read Seneca Wallace's name my first reaction was  . But after further review he has been solid in his time in the NFL. 25 TD's, 14 INT's, a 83.1 QB rating, and a 60% passer. With that said, I would like to give Quinn a shot at a full season as the unquestioned starter over both of these guys.
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With that said, I would like to give Quinn a shot at a full season as the unquestioned starter over both of these guys.
But Brady Quinn only throws short routes, and he isn't even accurate with those throws.......
May be with a full training camp and focus on his footwork, some of his accuracy issues can be worked out, but if Quinn wants to throw those short passes, he's going to have to throw the ball much better. And he has had time to improve his game, he doesn't light it up in practice and in the games he is very frustrating.
I don't really know about either of those two guys, but Seneca Wallace could be better. He beat out Charlie Frye. May be Holmgren feels that this guy needs his shot. Quinn got his shot, he sucks it up in training camp because he isn't accurate, that's why he never took over the starting position and no QB was picked until September. Afterwards you continue to see an extremely innaccurate QB. I've never read about Quinn looking accurate at any training camp either. He always is outshined by Anderson (who definitely has to go).
So yeah, if Holmgren decides that he wants Seneca Wallace and Seneca deserves his shot, lets do it. And if Quinn has a great camp and is accurate, then let Quinn run the show. But I definitely want some sort of a backup plan......
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I would love to see us make a run at Joey Porter now that he is available. We sure as heck could use him!
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If we get Seneca Wallace Quinn is gone. Holmgren has repeatedly said there will be no QB competition.
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I would love to see us make a run at Joey Porter now that he is available. We sure as heck could use him!
I dunno if you are joking or not. He's not popular around here, as you would expect.
Me, I want nothing to do with that thug punk. After seeing him and his two buddies jumping Levi Jones (Bengals) I lost all the respect I didn't have for the dirt bag. Porter is a jerk who is full of himself, I would like to see him signed by no one.........
We fight the guy in pre-game all the time. I just don't see it as a fit Tubby
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If we get Seneca Wallace Quinn is gone. Holmgren has repeatedly said there will be no QB competition.
Sounds like we better get Seneca Wallace because I do not want Brady Quinn just handed the starting job for next year..... What did he do to earn that opportunity?
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I'm assuming they are trying to trade him for anything they can get before they have to cut him on March 19th.
That's the smart move right?
I would say that it is possibly thism but I would bet that it is mostly that this regime will wait until it has a replacement aboard before releasing him..... especially if we are trading for that replacement (Wallace/Flynn). If we got rid of everything now, then we're now in desperate mode as we've got nothing behind Quinn; and it's not like we're in a hurry to move him, we've got some time to work here.
I would think that Derek is pretty much untradeable, however.... his salary for this season is supposed to be rather huge - and he isn't that good. That keeps us from even including him as a throw-in on a trade. He'll almost certainly be released, but I wouldn't expect it to happen until we've got somebody else locked up.
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Sounds like we better get Seneca Wallace because I do not want Brady Quinn just handed the starting job for next year..... What did he do to earn that opportunity?
but you'd hand Seneca Wallace the job?
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I would think that Derek is pretty much untradeable, however.... his salary for this season is supposed to be rather huge - and he isn't that good. That keeps us from even including him as a throw-in on a trade. He'll almost certainly be released, but I wouldn't expect it to happen until we've got somebody else locked up.
I believe it is 7.45 million salary this season, with a $2m bonus due March 19.
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Right.... and we're not gonna pay that bonus, so if he would be traded it would be BEFORE that deadline... so we need to convince a team to take on that salary AND that bonus.
Not gonna happen**.
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I don't really want to hand anyone the job. I'd like someone to earn it. People complained about that QB competition last year, but both QBs sucked and never looked good enough to annoint starter. Everyone hated Mangini's tactic, but in reality, it didn't really matter what QB we had, we would need both, and they both stunk it up.
I guess I'm going to follow Holmgren. I like the fact that Quinn doesn't throw INTs, but otherwise he offers me nothing. Now if he thinks that Seneca Wallace deserves his shot, then let's do it.
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Even if we don't have a new QB or backup in place before March 19th Derek Anderson is gone.
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BEREA, Ohio--Cleveland Browns president Mike Holmgren met with the media Friday following the contract signing of Pro Bowl kick returner Josh Cribbs.
But Holmgren also had a lot to say about the state of the team now that free agency has opened.
Here are some notes:
* Holmgren said the team is "actively" looking at quarterbacks, either via trades or free agency. Holmgren also cautioned that the team is still considering its own quarterbacks in Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson. But it appears Anderson likely will be released before his $2 million roster bonus is due in two weeks.
* One key for getting Cribbs' contract complete was not to tear up the three years remaining on his deal. So the two sides reached a happy medium by adding money to the original contract. The total value with incentives could be worth as much as $18.5 million.
* Holmgren said the Browns have had discussions about the receiver position, but not nearly as much as the quarterbacks. Holmgren didn't think Cleveland’s thin receiving corps would hurt the team's ability to convince another quarterback to come to Cleveland.
* Overall the Browns currently are "as active as can be," according to Holmgren. So far the team traded defensive lineman Corey Williams to the Detroit Lions and restructured Cribbs' deal. But you get the sense this team is not done trying to build its roster. The Browns also have 11 draft picks, including nine in the first five rounds.
* Holmgren also confirmed that free-agent linebacker Scott Fujita will visit with the Browns on Saturday.
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lol, I'm sure he doesn't - and if he does I don't want to see it!
As I posted in another thread (or maybe early in this one), I've seen Seneca play a lot. I really like the guy's effort, ability to change the offense (from Hasselbeck), willingness to do play any role, and fill in as starter as needed, but I don't believe he's a starter in this league.
His career numbers are serviceable, but thats about it. Comparing with Quinn, better completion percentage, yards per attempt, and TDs per attempt. Int per attempt is same. Quinn has the edge on Sacks per attempt and fumbles per touch. This with a better WR corps in Seattle over his career than Quinn had (in my opinion at least).
Those last 2 are the ones that concern me most - he takes a lot of sacks and fumbles a lot. And he's short - like 5'10" or 5'11".
That being said, for a year alongside a Pennington, Bulger type guy, I'd be ok with a 5th for him, but no more.
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The only sure fire ones I see on there are Lauranitis and Delmas. The rest are still question marks.
Disagree with this comment. I would there about 10 players on that list that I would rather have than the players we got in the second round. Bryd, Malauga, Loadholt, McCoy, Butler, Smith (x2), Brown, Unger, Lauranitis, and Delmas. All I would much rather have than Robo (and I am an OSU homer)and Veikune.
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Somebody has GOT to be kidding with this Senica Wallice stuff http://www.nfl.com/players/senecawallace/profile?id=WAL5011215'11",,,, Somebody tell me this is a joke..
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http://www.nfl.com/players/senecawallace/profile?id=WAL501121
5'11",,,, Somebody tell me this is a joke..
Who cares how tall he is? The WCO is all about rolling out, so it's not like that will matter.
Now, as for his throwing ability...ehhhhh. I'd rather have Troy Smith.
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