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Ya gotta be able to see over the line man..
Joe Montana... 6'2"
Steve Young...6'2"
Brett Favre...6'2"
Matt Hassleback...6'4"
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Tell that to Doug Flutie and Drew Brees
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Brees is a solid 6 footer,, he's probably the exception. is Wallace on par with Brees?
Flutie hasn't won anything.. what's that tell you?
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Brees is a solid 6 footer,, he's probably the exception. is Wallace on par with Brees?
Flutie hasn't won anything.. what's that tell you?
Flutie was a productive QB besides No QB of the Browns not named Otto has won anything..what's that tell you?
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Flutie was a productive QB besides No QB of the Browns not named Otto has won anything..what's that tell you?
Frank Ryan was the QB of the 64 team...
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I posted this in the other thread, but I should've put it here.
Laveraneous (sp?) Coles was released from the Bengals. I believe they picked him up last year from the Jets. I don't really know much more than that. What do people think about grabbing him?
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Laveraneous (sp?) Coles was released from the Bengals. I believe they picked him up last year from the Jets. I don't really know much more than that. What do people think about grabbing him?
I wanted him before the bengals snagged him last year......but without Edwards here I think it would be just like adding another number 2...and we currently have enough number 2 wr's on this team....dont you think?
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Laveraneous (sp?) Coles was released from the Bengals. I believe they picked him up last year from the Jets. I don't really know much more than that. What do people think about grabbing him?
Coles has lost his speed and has purely emerged as only a possession receiver. He really isn't that valuable because he isn't that tall and isn't that fast. He is going to have to stay in this league relying on his catching/route running ability. We could offer him one or two years to be our third wide out? May be I'd go with that(depending on a workout/physical)
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I would love to see us make a run at Joey Porter now that he is available. We sure as heck could use him!
I dunno if you are joking or not. He's not popular around here, as you would expect.
Me, I want nothing to do with that thug punk. After seeing him and his two buddies jumping Levi Jones (Bengals) I lost all the respect I didn't have for the dirt bag. Porter is a jerk who is full of himself, I would like to see him signed by no one.........
We fight the guy in pre-game all the time. I just don't see it as a fit Tubby
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Sounds like we better get Seneca Wallace because I do not want Brady Quinn just handed the starting job for next year..... What did he do to earn that opportunity?
Oh I 100% agree he is a jerk, he is a Donkey.....and I have had him in the pound yelling many times.....but all that aside he would be an upgrade at what we currently have......I hated him when he played for Pitt....but always thought if it was an Orange helmet on his head I would of loved him......
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haha i was talking about Joey Porter........
About Troy Smith the Michigan fan in me says NOOOO!!! But the kid sure can ball.....I wouldnt mind bringing him into camp and see how it goes....but I am not sure if he can make it in the NFL as a top-tier QB!
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Brees is a solid 6 footer,, he's probably the exception. is Wallace on par with Brees?
Flutie hasn't won anything.. what's that tell you?
Flutie was a productive QB besides No QB of the Browns not named Otto has won anything..what's that tell you?
Also if Troy could see over Alex Boones big fat ass he can see over our O-line. I'm pretty sure the average size of OSU's O-line was 6'5 and he saw over them just fine.
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Brees is a solid 6 footer,, he's probably the exception. is Wallace on par with Brees?
Flutie hasn't won anything.. what's that tell you?
Flutie was a productive QB besides No QB of the Browns not named Otto has won anything..what's that tell you?
Also if Troy could see over Alex Boones big fat ass he can see over our O-line. I'm pretty sure the average size of OSU's O-line was 6'5 and he saw over them just fine.
But that year, the OSU line was pushed to the ground on a regular basis. 
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This will never ever happen here. First as someone already posted, Coles has physically dimished in speed rapidly.
Second i would rather see the young guys get experience than bring him in so diminished.
third....if memery serves me correclty.... Coles was the first guy to publicly butt head with Mangini... if correct, he'll never be a Brown.
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Just clicking there is a video on the Browns Site... http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/multimedia/mediaplayer.php?id=6808Listen closely to the very end..... Holmgren makes a comment about QB's and you really have to look at the expression on his face. He mentioned that lots of exciting things are happening but that he can't discuss them opening at this point..
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the expression on his face- he looked liked the fat cat that just swallowed the canary. It looked like he was bursting at the seems to say something, but was smart enough not too. Ohhhh, i hope its not McNabb.
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Back to FA........Do we have any visits scheduled for today?? I am shocked we aren't pursuing a CB or S considering there is some decent talent out there, and our utter lack of talent there. I just can't see us going into this draft basically HAVING to draft a specific position like that.
You have to believe we are talking about getting some of these guys in here
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I think fujita comes in today. I hear he's still negotiating with NO though.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I thought also.. Obviously, he knows what actions they are taking and what people they are speaking with. But he made it clear that he wasn't talking yet.
he mentioned that other players were contacted and that they are scheduling folks in and would announce as they are confirmed..
I got a kick out of it a little, I guess a reporter asked who was coming and holmgren asked if we could keep it in this room LOL as if?
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We may be.. but holmgren isn't announcing anything until they are confirmed... I have to believe that if we see a lack of skills and depth, he and heckert do as well...
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Frankly I would not mind signing Carr and putting him behind a decent line. I think he could do well in a WCO style of offense.
If we could get Kolb or McNabb that would be better, but of all the FA QB's Carr is the one that I would take a run after.
It would make sense for Carr as well, he would have a legitimate chance to start.
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I know my opinions stink most of the time, but what are we, as fans, gonna do anyway ?
Heckert and Holmgren are gonna do what any new organization does,...they clean house. And they're gonna do it their way, with their buckets and their washrags. And they ain't about to give away any of their cleaning secrets,....
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Browns Quickly Re-Sign DB by Site Staff of theOBR.com, March 5, 2010 at 10:52pm ET Ray Ventrone Profile Scout.com's Adam Caplan reports that the Cleveland Browns and S Ray Ventrone have agreed on 3-year, 2.2 million deal to bring the defensive back back to the team. The Browns didn't tender Ventrone as a restricted free agent, but promised interest in bringing him back. Clearly, they weren't kidding. http://www.scout.com/a.z?s=143&p=9&c=2&cid=951634&nid=4561584&fhn=1 This hasn't been posted on the web site yet. To be honest I don't even remember this guy playing.
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He was out there on quite a few special team plays,...not that he is useless, but what does this say if he was a Safety and we saw nothing but Furrey back there all year?
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That Furrey is a better safety but Ventrone is a valuable ST contributor?
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New Cleveland Browns boss Mike Holmgren wants to bring in a new quarterback, and now a new name can be added to the mix: David Carr.
If Carr's goal is to start, the Browns probably give him a better chance than the 49ers (where coach Mike Singletary has said he expects Alex Smith to start) or Cardinals (where coach Ken Whisenhunt has said he expects Matt Leinart to start). And Carr certainly won't start for the Giants as long as Eli Manning is healthy.
But Holmgren and Browns coach Eric Mangini seem to be willing to consider just about anyone as the starter in Cleveland. Holmgren is looking at trades involving multiple quarterbacks, and he's interested in acquiring Seneca Wallace. And now he's apparently interested in Carr.
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It seems like Holmgren thinks Quinn is not. It also seems like he doesn't know who is the answer either. Seneca Wallace, David Carr? I've said it before, if those are the guys we are going after then we might as well stick with Quinn for one more year.
Like I said before, Holmgren must really not like Quinn if he sees David Carr as a starter over him.
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or Wallace
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Carr didn't see much action with NY and was pretty much a Tim Couch in Houston (tackle dummy). With some protection he might serve well for a time.
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Is it possible David Carr is as bad as I (we?) think he is? Check out his stats, he's more mediocre than bad. And then you take into consideration that he's gotten sacked an average of 3.3 times per start. With proper protection and running game could he be an above average QB? I can't believe I'm trying to talk myself into David Carr.
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My question is this. Did Holmgren say somewhere that he likes Carr? Or is that Holmgren said they're evaluating the QB position, so the writers are saying "he's evaluating the QB position. Seneca Wallace and David Carr are QBs with some history with Holmgren. Therefore, they're the ones he's evaluating."
I understand the writers have to guess a little bit, but I'm not going to be putting a ton of stock into things right now.
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Word is he tried to sign him when he was with the Seahawks. And now a "league source" has told the Cleveland Plain Dealer that the Browns are interested in him. All the links are in my post a few spots above here.
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Like I said before, Holmgren must really not like Quinn if he sees David Carr as a starter over him.
or Wallace
Wallace is no starter. If he is being sought after by Holmgren, it's not as a starter.
Remember, we're losing our "backup" QB in Anderson. If Quinn is kept, we still need a backup.
At worst, we're looking for a viable guy to take over for Quinn if he is kept and falters. That would be Carr.
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I was leaning the same way yesterday.. dude got sacked a ton in Houston,, averaged 41 times a year.. had 70 some one year..
Not sure how anyone could function taking that many hits..
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Is Wallace being looked at as a backup? I don't think. Wallace has been about average as a starter (much more than Quinn can say) and knows Holmgren's offensive system.
I think both Carr and Wallace are fallback options if Holmgren can't get what he really wants. We just don't know who he really wants.
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Word is he tried to sign him when he was with the Seahawks. And now a "league source" has told the Cleveland Plain Dealer that the Browns are interested in him. All the links are in my post a few spots above here.
I understand all that. I'm just saying that it seems to me there is a generality being thrown out there by Holmgren: "We're evaluating the QB position." So, it is entirely fair to say that the Browns may be looking at guys like Wallace and Carr.
But, I don't think it's fair to write it in a way that the national and Cleveland writers have, essentially that Carr and Wallace are on their way here.
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Call me crazy but me and a friend of mine was talking and I know the answer before I even ask you all but if we had someone who could keep him in check...what do you all think of Pac-Man Jones?
True he is a thug, true he gets in trouble alot....but maybe just freaking maybe he could keep his head straight and help us out at CB....the kid can ball, and has to be motivated to prove he can play still.....is he an upgrade over B-Mac? Is he worth the risk? How cheap would he come? Thoughts?
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I'm just saying that it seems to me there is a generality being thrown out there by Holmgren: "We're evaluating the QB position." So, it is entirely fair to say that the Browns may be looking at guys like Wallace and Carr.
I wonder.. What if the Browns brain trust isn't being completely up front with us or the media.(as if that would ever happen  )
What if they are thinking we could see an acceptable success rate with either Quinn or DA.. what if they decided they would put them both out there on the market to see who brings the best deal in a trade?
First thought that pops into my head is,, why would anyone trade for DA.. The Browns are going to dump him by the 19th of March.. ..... But what if they are telling other teams that aren't going to do that? I mean, we did just create some room in the budget by getting rid of Fraley and Williams.. so the money is there.
Whoever they get the best deal for they trade, they use the other as a guy to see if he can actuallly make it while at the same time, making arrangements to get the "REALDEAL"
OK,, someone come over, help me get this straight jacket back on quick before I hurt myself 
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Well If our "brain trust" knew DA like the rest of us they would never take a 7 million dollar gamble on that working out. No one else would either.....
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