DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Seneca Wallace a BROWN

My worry is that if we're doing this with the hopes of getting Bradford, our luck will be that Quinn/Wallace will light it up and have a great year, or a year like DA had in 2007 where now you think "shoot, do we go with Bradford or keep in Quinn/Wallace?"

That's my fear.

Well yeah naturally so but I just mean if he would become available. I mean it's not exactly certain Bradford will go number one. If he were to come within 2-3 picks there might be a chance Holmgren would think about moving up to get him. Like I said I have nothign to back that up, just a feeling. No matter how crazy that sounds, and i'm sure I seem a little off my rocker with that one.

Or we could have a QB competition... and if it's close(they all suck) we could flip a coin! wouldn't that be GREAT!

j/c

very surprised with the majority of the reactions with this move. all along, everything we read said holmgren wanted a vet qb. many articles made the natural link to wallace and no one had an issue with it at the time. this guy isn't all world but who expects to get someone of that caliber by trade, let alone for anything we'd be willing to give up? this guy is who he is: a guy who was drafted by our president and developed into a competent qb. don't remember which plain dealer article it was, but it was a recent one saying the current plan is for a stopgap with intent on finding that franchise guy in 2011. if wallace is our starter, i won't complain. still should be better than what we saw last season and will know the system. doesn't hurt that the guy is pretty athletic too. hell, who knows, maybe we'll bring in troy smith. who else to teach him than a guy who is also a shorter, more athletic qb in wallace? solid move, imo.

i'm sorry, but that is the most underwhelming highlight reel that i have ever seen.

they need to sign Troy Smith for the 5th round pick. Simple..

If the Ravens match.. then they match, and move on.. but for a 5th and a less than a couple mill.. why not?

We (well not really WE, ) just paid Pashos a 3 year deal for 10 mil. He's not gonna be here 3 years.. lol.. Get Smith in here.. . and let the best man win..

Quinn... Smith... Wallace.. I like that tandem.

Really..? I thought those runs at Iowa St. were Amazing! Plus his highlights will look a lot better when he's wearing Orange and Brown.

The ISU run's were good, yes... from 8 or 9 years ago.

But seriously, a naked bootleg, 10 yard pickup is on his "highlight" reel? A 8 yd. slant pass for a td? Ho hum.

MH drafted & knows Seneca Wallace! He must think that he is better than what we have at QB. Maybe this opens the door for Both QBs' departure? Sam Bradford with our #1 might be more than just a rumor with each passing day. JMHO Go Brownies!!!

Let's not go crazy over MH's judgment on QBs. Let's remember he traded for Charlie Frye.

o yea..

I just watched Seneca's "highlight" reel.. pretty impressive.. He can throw the rock over the top of the defender perfect (atleast the reel shows that). Another thing I notice is that if you look at the scores, most of the td's came in the 4th quarter and also the games were very close.

I know the highlights are spread over his career.. but it was nice to know he has some zip on the ball.

Seneca Wallace.. if no one has said it yet..

Welcome to Cleveland!

Acutally, Tim Ruskell did - but I'm sure Holmgren said ok as coach.

And as a 3rd QB he is infintely better than David Greene, who was the guy that was there. Getting rid of Greene and picking up a guy with starting experience would be well worth the 6th rounder for any team in the league.

I posted something last week or weekend on Wallace in the FA thread. One thing we'll never have to worry about is his effort, he always puts it out. He's tough and pretty exciting to watch. But he takes too many sacks and fumbles too much. Overall, good pickup for a conditional pick - if he kicks butt, he'll be worth a higher pick. If he doesn't he knows the offense and terminology, will be a great asset for a low pick for a couple years.

If all we gave up is a conditional pick (assuming for the moment that the reports are true), then this is a steal. Like you said, if he comes in and lights it up, then it's worth it. If he comes in and stinks and all we've given up is a 4th or 5th rounder next year? Shoot, tough to complain about that.

But, I'm going to reserve judgment until we see what the final deal is.

do u have those stats?

Let's hope that he doesn't fumble like that with us then.. cuz we aren't the team that can afford turnovers..

-- ESPN.com news services

BROWNS TRADE FOR SEAHAWKS' WALLACE
Cleveland Browns executive Mike Holmgren reached out for one of his favorites Monday.

Seattle traded quarterback/wide receiver Seneca Wallace to the Browns for an undisclosed pick in 2011.

ESPN's Adam Schefter and ESPN.com's John Clayton first reported the trade.

Wallace's best season was 2008 when he started eight games in Holmgren's last season and threw for 1,532 yards and 11 touchdowns. Wallace started two games last season while starter Matt Hasselbeck was injured.

-- ESPN.com news services

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It is a marginal pick-up at best. Maybe Holmgren knows something more, but I have my doubts.

From the games I watched, he did nothing overwhelming to impress.

i'm gonna guess that brady quinn does not get released. his contract isn't horrible, he still can be considered a question mark more of a guy who didn't pan out.

so does this definitely signify that we will not be drafting a quarterback with any serious draft pick?

which in my opinion is the right play, i don't think any of these top tier quarterbacks blow me away. it is still a huge need of ours, but i think we can spend these picks in better places and hope for better next year in the draft or through trade/FA

Don't know what to think of this move.

Does bringing in Wallace put an end to the Troy Smith to Cleveland rumors?

I hope not.

I think if the plan is to start Seneca Wallace then Quinn is gone. As long as Quinn is a Brown there will be people calling for him to start.

If Quinn is gone I expect we will take a QB in the mid to late round (round 4-7). Some of the candidates: Dan LeFevour, Jeven Snead, Zac Robinson, and Jarrett Brown.

This is nothing more than having someone that knows the west coast offense and MH. If he starts here then we are in for another long year.

I don't expect Lefevor to make it out of the third.

Aside from the Bradford and Clausen, he is the one QB that has reasonable NFL body.

There are too many NFL teams looking for QB help not to take him in the third.

A tutor for Quinn

No doubt. Just added some percentages to the previous post for comparison purposes.

Though if I look at his career numbers, they're not too different than a starting QB for a season (a little high, but not exorbitantly) - I'd not be too upset with 60%, 25 TDs, 14 INT, and 3500+ yards for the season. The sacks and fumbles I could do without.

Though he got sacked 14 times in 2008 and the deeper... the 2008 Seahawks season was summed up by one word - injuries. I know they had street free agents both at WR and OL. His sacks were high that year likely because there was no running attack, no OL, and guys like Courtney Taylor, Ben Obamanu, Michale Bumpus, and Billy McMullen don't even scare me...(though Bobby engram played in I think 10 games and Deion Branch 8 after his ACL recovery).

I'd add Skelton to that list too - though I'd personally remove Snead. Next year's class excites me - likely 6+ first or second rounders - Locker, Mallett, Ponder, Luck, Keenum, Devlin depending on their season. I'm probably missing a couple guys too.

Not sure what to make of this..... is the plan to have 2 new QBs? Or is it for Seneca to be "the guy?"

And if we are parting ways with DA and Brady, is the other QB coming in a draft pick? Or a vet?

Seneca is not a long term answer, IMO. Would have liked to see Troy Smith if another QB was going to brought in for a stop gap. The more I think about it, the more I think we may be going with a QB round 1.......uggghhhh.

I think this is a move to bring in one of his guys that knows the offense. Ultimately, Wallace will be the 2nd QB and act as the "MH to English translator" (I know MH is not our coach - just that we might be running his offense).

This is just like how Mangini wanted some of his guys from the Jets (they weren't flashy but they were supposed to help the transition/understanding of the new system). And I see Seneca being the same sort of move.

Now, will he be helping Quinn, DA, Quinn+DA, or someone from the draft. That's the $64,000 question. I think it's Quinn. Either that or Tebo......ha ha ha, just kidding.

Overall it's a boring move for us but he'll be integral at camp and weekly practice.

As someone who knows more about quarterbacks and NFL personnel evaluation than Mike Holmgren does, I think this is a *terrible* move!