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j/c,....I only read half of the thread. Doesn't seem earth shattering to me, but I do not know what the FO is thinking, so I cannot lawfully comment on the actual reality of this deal,....I do know it does not make me foam at the mouth like picking Eric Berry would.
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Heard it was a pick for 2011, but does anybody know how tall the pick is as to round. Trying to decide if I am excited or not, but even solid mediocre is a monster improvement over what is here. Ship some more crap out of town, please. The Walrus is running a purge/beautification project, "Beautifuller Berea!" that features some upgrades.
I for one am excited about making a long drive to training camp this year meself. Welcome aboard, Seneca and company.
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I'm neither overwhelmed, nor underwhelmed by this move ... I guess that means I am whelmed ... ho-hum. Mike Holmgren and I must have different ideas about what is "fun", because I didn't laugh, or even smile, when I heard we got Wallace.
In related news; why is Derek Anderson still here? Could MH be thinking he is his next Hasselbeck?
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Does bringing in Wallace put an end to the Troy Smith to Cleveland rumors?
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its conditional as pertains to playing time, and a couple other lesser factors. as for who starts, lets review ssome history...shall we? http://www.cantonrep.com/browns/x1224399...-light-on-Quinn"A line from a long talk with Mike Holmgren sticks with us. “We’re approaching this just like we approached the thing with Matt ... .” The talk was with Browns President Mike Holmgren. “This” was the quest to finally send out a Cleveland quarterback who finds more than 15 games of fame, a la Derek Anderson. “The thing” was Holmgren’s handling of Matt Hasselbeck." ..... looks like this may be quinns last shot....wallace is the "dilfer", the dependable guy that MH knows. a young developmental QB will be brought in and groomed, a third or later, as i dont expect MH to buck his trend of only drafting mid-late rounder QBs. this would be a most fair scenario... however, i feel we'd be a better team with wallace at the helm, insofar as winning now. he's much more capable, and already has a leg up on quinn....in both experience and WCO knowledge. im sure walace can ahnd the ball off as well as quinn, but wallace can at least hit a slant route. either way, the next draft pick will be our future starter.....wallace is getting older and quinn will eventually fall out of favor to MH new favor of the year.
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Wallace is versatile. That can have some bearing on why we brought him here. I know after Holgrem brought in Frye he wanted to use Wallace in games as a receiver. I think once Hasselback got hurt that nixed that idea. I can't believe he was brought in to be the answer but we can get value out of him as a backup and part time offensive weapon..
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"This move tells you that the Browns will run Holmgren's offense immediately. Holmgren's top aide, Gil Haskell, has been meeting regularly with offensive coordinator Brian Daboll to teach him the basics.
Holmgren had to acquire a quarterback with intimate knowledge of the system. A trade for Philadelphia's Donovan McNabb is highly improbable because the Eagles would want the Browns' No. 1 pick. Wallace, 29, will serve as a transition quarterback until Holmgren acquires a young quarterback of the future".
I'm, glad I can look at things without consulting a lot of domes in this forum because I'd be lost....first,a lot of you wanted Troy Smith who is 5'11..now the Browns aquire Wallace who is..5'11, and then there are the usual complaints..
Now he's no world beater but someone who knows MH's offense.
Wallace is clearly step 1 of the program. He's there for stability and familiarity with the offense... I still believe Holmgren is doing his best to obtain a legit starter ..
If he gets him, they may wait until 2011 to draft another QB depending on how the draft unfolds. In that scenario Quinn is history. If not, Quinn potentially stays, but I would expect the Browns to draft a QB this year. Either way, Quinn and DA are both gone eventually.
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From the same article that Choco posted (thanks by the way,, good read with some insight) Quote:
So, you ask again about Brady Quinn.
We inferred from our talk with Holmgren that he sees in Quinn some of the qualities he once spotted in Hasselbeck. Clearly, he thinks Quinn has been dragged through a dysfunctional regimen of development.
Yet, that does not completely explain why Quinn, in 2009, played as if lost in wonderland.
No doubt, Quinn has been the subject of lively debate in group discussions chaired by Holmgren. The final call on Quinn, tempered by the debate, is his.
During our conversation, Holmgren said to ask him again in a month. Two weeks to go.
not for nothing, but I really get the feeling that he was thinking of Seneca Wallace as his Trent Dilfer... and unless he decides to pick a QB somewhere later in the draft, Quinn appears to be the guy who will get his shot at the job..
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first,a lot of you wanted Troy Smith who is 5'11..now the Browns aquire Wallace who is..5'11, and then there are the usual complaints..
I brought up the height thing, but honestly, I never thought that Smith was the answer either.. Not for nothing and not that it matters, Smith is listed as 6 feet 
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I'm guessing the same thing.
DA gets shopped/shipped
BQ gets his chance
Wallace is an insurance policy
Ratliff has to battle it out with a prospect in camp
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Can't say that i am really excited about the move, more indifferent. They had to do something and there were not alot of options to really work with. Wallace and expereince in the WCO is a plus, Kolb and experience in the WCO would be even better and more along my definition of FUN. I still hope they are talking with the eagles... that would be the end of Quinn and Anderson and i'm ok with that.
If Wallace is indeed the starter this year, he is capable of manning the ship in a ball control game. Something they seemed to try last year but the QB couldn't do it.
At least the FO is not sitting back. They are being aggressive in fixing this thing. The free agents that have come to town have signed (without the browns overpaying), lets add the TE.
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Ha...Smith is 5'11 ..he's never sniffed 6ft..yeah one inch makes a huge difference..  I wish I was 5"11...that was the biggest knock on him when he came out ..could he see over the linemen..so on and so forth..
Oh and it wasn't just U that said something about height ,I saw the comments the other day about Wallace's height..
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Smith would be competition for Quinn though...
I hope we get another QB though, cuz the 3rd stringers we have are garbage..
Quinn should get another shot without having to look over his shoulder. I just wish they would go ahead and say it, but they probably won't until AFTER the draft... maybe to use for leverage to draw some trades.
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Ha,, I don't think an inch matters much either.., But for the record http://www.nfl.com/players/troysmith/profile?id=SMI764846That's where I got the information
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Its silly to argue over an inch, but Smith measured 6'0, 225 at the 2007 Combine. I can't speak for Wallace, haven't seen him play, but Smith did not have issues throwing over the tall timber in the Big Ten. He's not optimum height, but he has a tall release and is good at finding the passing lanes. His arm is strong and accurate.
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I know..when he was at OSU ,I saw him listed somewhere at 5"11 but I'm not about to scour web sites to locate..it's not important to me..what is inteesting is that MH wasn't interested in Smith...in fact there's no QB out there worth a darn..but Wallace is a guy he knows..
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Like most here,I'm not overly elated with this signing. I do think we got better though, if the WCO is going to be our main focus I'd rather have Wallace on the team than DA,..maybe even Quinn for that matter. as far as who will start, I think there's going to be another QB competition for us all to endure again in TC  and SW will have a leg up in that competition.
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Why do these moves by the Browns scream of rebuilding.
Seneca Wallace doesn't bring this team any closer to a divison title than Anderson or Quinn.
Okay he knows the WCO system..great..but can he win football games?
Is he a difference maker?
Anderson out,Wallace in,lateral move.
if acquiring Wallace pushes Quinn and lights a fire under him,I guess it serves a purpose.
Seneca Wallace is just another stop gap qb for the Browns.
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Ha...Smith is 5'11 ..he's never sniffed 6ft..yeah one inch makes a huge difference.. I wish I was 5"11...that was the biggest knock on him when he came out ..could he see over the linemen..so on and so forth..
Yeah, I heard Troy Smith wasn't even 5'11, I thought he measured in at the combine at 5'10 3/4. I remember that because it's the same height as me. Just a bit under 5'11 just a bit under 6'. It's a brutal height folks. I mean, I'm sure he wonders the same thing I do. Why couldn't I just be 6' tall?
So close yet so far Troy, I know exactly how you feel. A little too short to be tall.
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sure he's a stop gap.....who thought differently?
the issue is with the others, whether they stay or go, and who we draft to groom.
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the issue is with the others, whether they stay or go, and who we draft to groom.
You're right. Seems to me that we'll know a lot more when/if we release DA and after the draft.
Boy, I'm not sure I could be more insightful than that. 
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Just clicking...
I looked over the guys stats. I have never seen him play. I do know, based on the stats I came up with; during games where get got at least 15 passing attempts, he had an 84.277777777777777 QB rating.
With out current QB situation, I will take that all day long.
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Hypothesizing here...bear with me cuz I'm throwing something against the wall hoping it sticks.
What skillset does Seneca Wallace match to another QB in the league?
Pat White.
What do Josh Cribbs and Ronnie Brown have in common?
Connect the dots...there's a chance we could be out-Dolphin-ing the Dolphins, since we wouldn't have to wait for Wallace to develop in the Pat White role that Miami is trying to define for him.
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If Wallace can come in and not LOSE games for us, I'll be happy with the trade (assuming it's a low rounder for next year). It would be great if he would come in and WIN games for us, but since the 2010 season is going to be another step in the rebuilding/reloading, I'll take a QB who just doesn't hurt us more than he helps us. Whoever that QB is.
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Doesn't this seem a little reminscent of when Holmgren moved from Green Bay to Seattle?
At the time, Holmgren trades a low pick for a backup in Tim Hasselbeck and makes him "the guy". Hasselback was a backup with no real chance to see the field as he's behind Favre.
Now, he trades for Wallace who wasn't going to start as he's behind Hasselbeck. Although this one is a little more puzzling, as Hasselbeck is starting to fade. This definitely says to me that Seattle will go QB if Clausen or Bradford is there at their spot.
My hunch is that Seneca is here to be the starter. Wouldn't surprise me now if both Quinn and Anderson are shipped off to eliminate any QB controversy. And frankly, watching the two of them last year, I wouldn't mind.
Wallace for 2 or 3 years followed by a developed, Holmgren drafted QB... Works for me. Wallace is good enough to win games if the defense does their part.
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If we could get colt mccoy in the 2nd round to back up wallace that would be real good. I hope we do that.
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I'm pleased with the move.
Just like our two signings thus far, the move isn't flashy, but it is undeniably solid. It brings a level of assured competency to a position of need.
Can we expect to view this as a long-term fix? Heck no, but we can absolutely view it - at the minimum - as a bridge to whatever the future is at QB.
I think that if Wallace has to start, that - at the minimum - we can expect competency, ACCURACY & leadership. Those things alone will make it worthwhile.
A good move at a good price. As for Seattle letting him go? Well, I'm sure Mike has some friends there still, and I would think that the new regime has their own views on QB. That makes Wallace an afterthought in their organization.
As for Troy Smith - he was never an answer to anything for us, except for the OSU homers.... we already have Quinn & Anderson, and we could sign Kyle Boller for free... so why would we trade for Smith and have a guy no better than anything we have that would still have to learn the offense? Mindless wishes.
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Looking at it as Tony Grossi wrote it in the Plain Dealer. The only people who knew the WCO that MH wanted to run was the guy training Dabol. Which means no one on the field understood the MH's WCO.
With SW now at least someone understands the concept and knows the plays. He can help everyone with their assignments on the plays.
As far as what pick we give up. If we win a few more games next year the pick will be lower in the draft rotation.
Whatever MH does has to be better than what we have seen over the past 11 years.
I can't believe DA and BQ made the pros as bad a QB as they are. Let alone paying them the money they get.
Let's face it, we need to draft and develop a QB. Our QB for the future is not on this team right now. This may take some time.
I go back to the early 1950s with the Browns. I was in the service back in 1964 when they last won the championship. I have really waited a long time to see them win it all.
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Wallace is versatile. That can have some bearing on why we brought him here. I know after Holgrem brought in Frye he wanted to use Wallace in games as a receiver. I think once Hasselback got hurt that nixed that idea. I can't believe he was brought in to be the answer but we can get value out of him as a backup and part time offensive weapon..
It's definitely an interesting thought having Wallace and Cribbs lining up in the wildcat.
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dont forget to throw in number 35.....with that much speed on the feild I think teams would be worried who to cover!
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Wallace is versatile. That can have some bearing on why we brought him here. I know after Holgrem brought in Frye he wanted to use Wallace in games as a receiver. I think once Hasselback got hurt that nixed that idea. I can't believe he was brought in to be the answer but we can get value out of him as a backup and part time offensive weapon..
It's definitely an interesting thought having Wallace and Cribbs lining up in the wildcat.
Oooh, that's an interesting thought... especially with Harrison in there as Tubby pointed out.
Heck, I'd find a way to get Jennings out there, too and let the defense worry about all 4 of them, with Moore at TE. That ball could go anywhere at any time.
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Because the Browns are rebuilding...
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I don't think Pete Carroll cares for Hasselback.
I think all the draft "gurus" go wrong in what the Seahawks do with the pair of first round picks they have..
I say they go QB if Bradford is there, or Left Tackle/ CJ Spiller...
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Wallace is versatile. That can have some bearing on why we brought him here. I know after Holgrem brought in Frye he wanted to use Wallace in games as a receiver. I think once Hasselback got hurt that nixed that idea. I can't believe he was brought in to be the answer but we can get value out of him as a backup and part time offensive weapon..
It's definitely an interesting thought having Wallace and Cribbs lining up in the wildcat.
Oooh, that's an interesting thought... especially with Harrison in there as Tubby pointed out.
Heck, I'd find a way to get Jennings out there, too and let the defense worry about all 4 of them, with Moore at TE. That ball could go anywhere at any time.
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We are not the Brownphins.
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I would agree. Hasselbeck is getting long in the tooth and they just gave us their backup. I'd all but bet money that they go QB.
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I think this season we might turn some heads....I dont think we are going to win it all, or even the playoffs but we are going to be scrappy.....
I think the Flash package is going to be used often this upcoming season.....I am alright with bringing in Wallace...I have waited to comment on him so I could absorb some sort of a feeling on him....I see Wallace as the poor mans Mick Vick...only right handed witch is good considering we have the best LT in the leauge to cover his blind side.
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I too thought moore was very serviceable this past year.I am intrigued with watson coming to town tommorow,is watson a good blocking tight end?A backfield like that could be very scary,and the offense could do some really great things!High hopes i have for James Davis as well.
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