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So now we will have two new names in the same old controversy...yay 
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I expect that if we bring in another through a trade it will be someone who will clearly start ahead of Wallace.
If we draft someone I expect it will be someone like Dan LeFevour or Jarret Brown.
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didn't know he didn't sign his tender. i'd assume with a trade, though, we'd sign him to some sort of extension.
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The Browns gave up a conditional seventh-round pick in 2011 for Seneca Wallace, a league source told the Plain Dealer. The pick can improve to a sixth-rounder, depending on Wallace's playing time, the source said.
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If he does end up starting for us we got a steal. A 6th rounder is close to nothing if that player ends up starting. Especially if they end up starting at the QB position.
Good deal by us.
Even as a backup, that's a total steal.
Heck, even if it was a 6th in THIS draft, it'd be a steal.
Well done by our new F.O. 
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The Browns gave up a conditional seventh-round pick in 2011 for Seneca Wallace, a league source told the Plain Dealer. The pick can improve to a sixth-rounder, depending on Wallace's playing time, the source said.
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If he does end up starting for us we got a steal. A 6th rounder is close to nothing if that player ends up starting. Especially if they end up starting at the QB position.
Good deal by us.
Especially a 2011 6th,...really good move.
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This whole thing speaks of rebuild...
i got a hunchy feeling I won't be watching very many if any browns games at all....
I sick of watching a garbage product..the players got my support...but I am not watching if we have "no chance" to compete...whats the point?
its an embarassment the upper management of this organization can't even put a competitive product on the field...so far MH and Heckert aren't even really trying IMO...this has got to be a joke...
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just keep perspective.
we won 4 in a row and we beat pittsburgh with a crappy team with no offense. many of these moves are actually upgrades, not lateral moves. no reason not to expect better than 5 wins.
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If the browns deal quinn I will be so pissed. I have a very nice BQ jersey, if he gets traded it will cost me $35-$125 to go out and get a new Browns jersey.
How do you think I feel,, I have a Charlie Frye Jersey 
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So why does this SPECULATION suddenly mean Quinn is going to be dealt and NOT be the starter?
Seriously, Wallace's value to the Seahawks was a 7th... That's as low as it gets for trade value without swapping players. AND they are interested in DA! To me that SCREAMS they are desperate for a QB... If Seneca is so good why would the send him away for what amounts to nothing?
This stuff kills me. All the reading between the lines. I predict Quinn starts this season for us and any other moves at QB will involve Ratliff leaving town.
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This post has go to be a joke!  How is this a rebuild? We have signed two players who are in their 30's. We have traded a 7th round pick in next year's draft for a QB who has experience in the system we will be running. And their are rumors we are looking for an experienced starting QB. This is not a rebuild. It's a build.
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If the browns deal quinn I will be so pissed. I have a very nice BQ jersey, if he gets traded it will cost me $35-$125 to go out and get a new Browns jersey.
How do you think I feel,, I have a Charlie Frye Jersey
How do you think I feel? I have a Ben Gay jersey.
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I predict Quinn will be traded.
I think he should get a shot at starting a full season. But if we can get a better QB in here who will definitely help us win we should do it.
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are you asking how the report that quinn is being shopped means that quinn won't start for the browns? i don't understand.
the wallace trade doesn't mean anything. it's that quinn is being SHOPPED that it means he won't start for us. whether wallace is the starter depends on if we get another qb, which sounds like we're trying. if the roster is set right now, then wallace would still be the starter. read the recent article a page back, he's coming in thinking he can be the starter based on what he talked about with MH but couldn't divulge much.
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This whole thing speaks of rebuild...
i got a hunchy feeling I won't be watching very many if any browns games at all....
I sick of watching a garbage product..the players got my support...but I am not watching if we have "no chance" to compete...whats the point?
its an embarassment the upper management of this organization can't even put a competitive product on the field...so far MH and Heckert aren't even really trying IMO...this has got to be a joke...
I usually don't give Mulligan's,...but you get one here. I am going to at least see the next season through before calling upper management an embarrassment yet.
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I could have lived with giving Quinn one last shot, but this isn't surprising, nor does it bother me. As long as Wallace is just around until we get our real QB, hopefully next year, unless this group can pull off something big in FA or a trade this year.
I am pretty certain that Quinn will make a classier exit. 
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I personally will be a little upset if Holmgren and company trade Brady Quinn.
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Trading him doesn't make sense until we have that QB. Drafting a rookie in the mid-late rounds means nothing this year. And the big name solid QB's are not exactly in abundance this FA period.
I don't know much about Kolb, BUT I'm not at all interested in McNabb. I'd rather have Vick at QB.
As for any other "better than Seneca" options... I'm not seeing them. So logically Quinn stays, Quinn starts... IMHO
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I personally will be a little upset if Holmgren and company trade Brady Quinn.
Me too,...but I will move on.
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I just watched Schefter's segement on ESPN.com. He made it seem like less of a sure thing then the original article states. He says, "If they can get the right offer for Brady Quinn it is very possible that they could wind up dealing Brady Quinn." If we got the right offer for most of our players we could deal them. Does that mean we will? No. If someone offered us a 3rd round pick or lower I'd expect we would take that deal. Anything less than that and I expect we would keep him.
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Yes, the shopping means something... It means they are keeping their options open. BUT wasn't Quin shopped last year as well??? Yes. AND that was trade bait to see who would bite and how much they could get. I doubt anybody offers a 1st and a 2nd for him.
I doubt anyone offers a 2nd or 3rd for him, right now. And to send him packing for less than that under this contract without having a full season under center is STUPID. JMHO
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This whole thing speaks of rebuild...
It's what crappy teams do to get good . . .
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I personally will be a little upset if Holmgren and company trade Brady Quinn.
Why?
What is the fascination with Brady Quinn? What has he done to show you that he is a possible franchise QB?
I have no desire to waste another year with Quinn starting as QB.
you had a good run Hank.
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I doubt anyone offers a 2nd or 3rd for him, right now. And to send him packing for less than that under this contract without having a full season under center is STUPID.
Agreed.
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we won't get a 2 or a 3 for quinn but this means he's expendable. then you think about last season where he had such a short leash before benching, then DA having such a long leash before quinn comes back, and it's clear MH and mangini don't want the guy. at this point, it's no longer about getting value as it is getting rid of someone you don't want.
to assume he's the starter is silly, especially when you consider that MH's system is in place and wallace played in it for 8 years and is a holmgren guy. quinn is no where near a guaranteed starter, even if we don't ship him out.
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What is the fascination with Brady Quinn? What has he done to show you that he is a possible franchise QB?
I have no desire to waste another year with Quinn starting as QB.
Some people think he hasn't been given enough of a chance to be the franchise QB. He hasn't gone into training camp with the Browns being his team. If you believe that then having Quinn as the starting QB is not a waste.
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I think they would take a 5th.
The point being I think they want to remove all that was with the QB controversy.
If Quinn had impressed Holmgren in his film study, he wouldn't be shopped.
We go in to next season with Wallace the starter and at least 1 more new qb...maybe 2 if they don't like Ratliff.
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I personally will be a little upset if Holmgren and company trade Brady Quinn.
Why?
What is the fascination with Brady Quinn? What has he done to show you that he is a possible franchise QB?
I have no desire to waste another year with Quinn starting as QB.
Some people still believe Captain Checkdown rides into the huddle shirtless on a white horse named Buttercup, can throw for 5000 yards with the accuracy of Drew Brees, all while curing cancer.
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So why does this SPECULATION suddenly mean Quinn is going to be dealt and NOT be the starter?
Because reporters need something to talk about..
Truth is, I think the Browns should be listening to all offers just in case something comes up that makes a lot of sense.
Rodgers for a Top DB and/or a low/high draft pick....
Quinn for a Top DB or picks this year and next...
Probably the only guys that aren't trade bait are Cribbs, Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, eric Wright, Vickers, MoMass, and a few others... Very few others.
I'd listen to any offers.. nothing to lose listening.. and bet that the media is getting wind of us listening,, maybe even proposing a few possibilities..
But all of what I just said, is just a guess..
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I respectfully disagree. Unless we think SW is The Man, then we have to draft (or FA) a QB.
Sticking to drafting,....we have too many more important holes to fill that need fixing in order to have ANY QB be successful on this team.
Assuming we are still "hurting" at QB, I don't want to waste the opportunity of a draft passing on Haden, Berry, Spikes, Iupati, Okung, etc. Waiting on an unproven rookie QB won't be any better than what we have now. Give it another year, then pull the trigger. If Wallace and Quinn go at it, and both fail, we'll still be in a position to draft a QB next year. If they're somehow successful (make the playoffs), we won't be in a position to draft one, and might not need to.
Get one of these stud defenders or an OLineman. The chances of them being a shoo-in are much greater.
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If Quinn had impressed Holmgren in his film study, he wouldn't be shopped.
Exactamundo...and it means they will get another QB or two if they can.
If they can't deal Quinn he sits regardless of whom comes in.
It didn't take long for MH to see they can't win with Anderson/Quinn..
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Why?
What is the fascination with Brady Quinn? What has he done to show you that he is a possible franchise QB?
I have no desire to waste another year with Quinn starting as QB.
Some people think he hasn't been given enough of a chance to be the franchise QB. He hasn't gone into training camp with the Browns being his team. If you believe that then having Quinn as the starting QB is not a waste.
More starts isn't going to improve the fact that he is horrid from 10-30 yards. The fact is the ball floats on Quinn when he throws it down the field, and by down the field I mean anything that isn't from himself to the sideline.
People can believe what they want to believe, I guess. We'll see during training camp if this FO has faith in Quinn.
you had a good run Hank.
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We have certainly been making moves that indicate a high probability of making a move big and early for a QB.
This doesn't make me happy, but it makes more sense than the idea of Seneca Wallace starting ... and at the current moment seems likely.
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I think they would take a 5th.
The point being I think they want to remove all that was with the QB controversy.
If Quinn had impressed Holmgren in his film study, he wouldn't be shopped.
We go in to next season with Wallace the starter and at least 1 more new qb...maybe 2 if they don't like Ratliff.
This is it exactly. What possible good does keeping Quinn do for the Browns this year? Take a fifth or sixth rounder this year or next and move forward.
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With me it's not a fascination, but a what if. Most of these guys get a year or two before the light come on and it start clicking.
I've seen flashes of good QB play out of Quinn. I'd like to see him on the field with a competent line, receivers that catch and solid RB's. If he sucks after that send him packing... but not until then. We invested a 1st AND a 2nd for this guy. RAC sat him too long, Mangini played the same game last year... Let him start for crying out loud and see what he does when he gets in the grove.
Seriously, how mad would we be if Quinn went somewhere and then Studded out after 6-8 more games? I know where we'd be... we'd be whinning that we let him go too soon!
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What is the fascination with Brady Quinn? What has he done to show you that he is a possible franchise QB?
I have no desire to waste another year with Quinn starting as QB.
Some people think he hasn't been given enough of a chance to be the franchise QB. He hasn't gone into training camp with the Browns being his team. If you believe that then having Quinn as the starting QB is not a waste.
More starts isn't going to improve the fact that he is horrid from 10-30 yards. The fact is the ball floats on Quinn when he throws it down the field, and by down the field I mean anything that isn't from himself to the sideline.
People can believe what they want to believe, I guess. We'll see during training camp if this FO has faith in Quinn.
And that -- NOT what we say on this Board -- will be the deciding factor.
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I think they will have to know before training camp. We won't be going into camp with another "battle" this year.
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I think they will have to know before training camp. We won't be going into camp with another "battle" this year.
I've seen this said many places but have never heard Holmgren say it.
He did say that they'd have a starter and a backup, but I never heard him say there won't be a battle for the job.
you had a good run Hank.
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That is one of the better things I've heard Holmgren purport.
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we have too many more important holes to fill that need fixing in order to have ANY QB be successful on this team.
I remember something that Former Steelers RB Jerome Bettis said about Big Ben when he was pushed into service after thier starter got injured (can't remember thier starters name at the moment)
Bettis said, dang,here we go, we have this veteran team and a rookie QB...This is gonna be bad.
Then Ben kinda got ahold of things and did a decent job.. The next year they went to and won the Superbowl...
The point being is that if we have a veteran team to surround a young QB with, it might work out for us as well.. so I would rather see us continue with what mangini started last season.. Develop and add to the D, add more pieces to the Offense.. then get a QB.. or get one in the later rounds this year to develop.
we have that luxury now with Wallace is on board. And in Wallace, we have a potential mentor to a young guy...
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I've seen this said many places but have never heard Holmgren say it.
He did say that they'd have a starter and a backup, but I never heard him say there won't be a battle for the job.
Just my opinion, but I believe that "implies" that a starter will be named. But you're right, it doesn't mean there won't be a battle,...but I think Holmgren "feels" it's not the right thing to do, go "creating one."
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