|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,338
Dawg Talker
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,338 |
Didn't see this posted.. Now that it is official that Brady will follow Derek out of Town, I figured this would be a good place to dicuss Trade possibilities, what went wrong and where we go from here. What is he worth? It's not like we didn't see this coming for both. Going into the season with Quinn and Wallace was highly unlikely. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/10/browns-shopping-brady-quinn/Browns shopping Brady Quinn Posted by Michael David Smith on March 10, 2010 12:46 PM ET Cleveland Browns front office boss Mike Holmgren has already made changes at the quarterback position, and he's not done yet. Adam Schefter of ESPN is reporting that the Browns have offered quarterback Brady Quinn in trade talks with other teams. It's been apparent for some time that it doesn't look good for Quinn in Cleveland. The Browns have traded for Seneca Wallace, who thinks he's going to start, and they've had discussions about signing, trading for or drafting another quarterback. All of which suggests that they don't view Quinn as the long-term answer. Holmgren has said he thinks Quinn needs a full year as an NFL starter before his long-term prospects can be adequately evaluated. But it's looking less and less likely that Quinn will get that full year as a starter in Cleveland.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 434
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 434 |
Before you get jumped on it's in SW thread
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,744
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,744 |
Quote:
Before you get jumped on it's in SW thread
which has been locked for length So I see no problem with this as it has nothing to do with S. Wallace to be honest
Go Browns!!![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/BrowniePoints/AndersonSnowPic.jpg)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,338
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,338 |
Quote:
Before you get jumped on it's in SW thread
This has nothing to do with Seneca Wallace..Why is that being discussed there? Hijackers!
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149 |
It has everything to do with Seneca Wallace, doesn't it ?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 434
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 434 |
LOL don't kill the messanger 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413 |
And hopefully it has nothing to do with Jake Delhomme.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399 |
Quote:
Now that it is official that Brady will follow Derek out of Town,
Shefter writes it in the News and Rumors section and that makes it official?
yebat' Putin
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,744
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,744 |
To be honest I hope we do trade Quinn. For some reason I just got this feeling we may trade up for a QB like Quinn, Rogers, and our 1st to move up to get Bradford.
Go Browns!!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,338
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,338 |
Indirectly yes..but Quinns situation and what we could get for him or what Holmgren didn't see doesn't.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413 |
Right. The rumors of Brady Quinn being shopped are unconfirmed. Here's a take from Pat McManamon: Quote:
Delhomme is a classy, hard-working guy who went 58-40 in his tenure as Carolina's starter. But he's also 35. He could compete to start, but he also seems like a guy who would be a perfect mentor for a young quarterback, like Brady Quinn. There are few guys of high er character in the league than Delhomme.
Don't know if I agree with him. But you'd have to think Delhomme would come pretty cheap as the Panthers still owe him $12 million.
Still, no matter how cheap, I don't want Delhomme anywhere near the Browns. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,338
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,338 |
Quote:
Shefter writes it in the News and Rumors section and that makes it official?
The key word is News..which this is, because just yesterday people were talking about who would start between Wallace and Quinn.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149 |
Just a side giggle,....at least he was actually selected as a Pro Bowl QB,....
We got a "nothing" but salary dump for Anderson,....gave away a 6 for Wallace (not a bad deal), so what's Quinn worth ?
Who, in their right mind is gonna fork a 2 for him, and take his contract,...we'd be better off keeping him for a year and work the running game/defense angle.
We kept Mangini,....just sayin'.
Last edited by OoooRahJoice; 03/10/10 06:32 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399 |
Quote:
To be honest I hope we do trade Quinn. For some reason I just got this feeling we may trade up for a QB like Quinn, Rogers, and our 1st to move up to get Bradford.
I am already on record as saying that we should either go into next season with whatever QB situation we can piece together, even if that's Wallace and Quinn... or we should go big and the only QB in this draft that I want is Bradford.
Drafting a developmental QB in the 3rd or 4th round is a complete and utter waste of a pick unless it is our intention to groom him as our long term back-up. 
yebat' Putin
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149 |
Quote:
Indirectly yes..but Quinns situation and what we could get for him or what Holmgren didn't see doesn't.
Yeah, I'll buy that,....
So here's another angle,....suppose this is all just a ruse to get everyone else fired up about what the Browns are REALLY going to do ?
It's as good as what any of US REALLY know,....
"The Cleveland Browns are on the board with the first pick of this year's draft. With Jake Delhomme in camp to groom the new franchise QB, and supported by Seneca Wallace, the Browns are fully expected to select Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford." And the Browns pick,...
Ndamukong Suh
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,151
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,151 |
This is something that I think is something the Browns should strongly consider. Seneca Wallace is good enough to play and receive extended playing time.
He has low miles and talent...but...to Quinn.
I think that Quinn could be a good QB, and strangely i think he could flourish in a WCO which we seem to be employing the characteristics of. But...I think this is a situation where he doesnt belong here. He just has baggage here. His confidence is shaken nad i dont see him flourishing here. His value to us is more in a draft pick.
I think we should hold onto Quinn for no less than a 3rd rounder. an early 4th rounder I would consider, but i think it would warrant a 7th to go along with it.
The places that could use a Quinn are Carolina (unless they really believe in Matt Moore), STL, Seattle (unless they think Matt Hasselbeck will be healthy), Arizona, Buffalo, Jacksonville (for insurance), Denver (insurance again), Washington, and maaaaaaaybe Tampa but without Gruden they dont need 8 QBs....
Theres plenty of teams out there that could use a QB that has starter ability, so we'll see.
I think he has value to us as a draft pick.
"It has to start somewhere
It has to start somehow
What better place than here?
What better time than now?"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,338
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,338 |
Quote:
Quote:
Indirectly yes..but Quinns situation and what we could get for him or what Holmgren didn't see doesn't.
Yeah, I'll buy that,....
So here's another angle,....suppose this is all just a ruse to get everyone else fired up about what the Browns are REALLY going to do ?
It's as good as what any of US REALLY know,....
"The Cleveland Browns are on the board with the first pick of this year's draft. With Jake Delhomme in camp to groom the new franchise QB, and supported by Seneca Wallace, the Browns are fully expected to select Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford." And the Browns pick,...
Ndamukong Suh
Ok..It's no different than the Troy Smith PFT Thread which you had no issues that I seen responding to.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531 |
I hope we ship out Captain Checkdown ASAP.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149 |
I'm not seeing an issue,...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,064
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,064 |
I am hoping we package and move up. Like BQ, then swap a higher pick, and move up say 3 or 4. If we can do it during FA, all the better to shop hard. If we get say two picks, say a 3 and 5 and somebody, great. BQ was usually good for a few picks,and we may be best with a clean sheet of paper at the QB. Don't need another controversy situation which the media and some fans will construct. Clean up this mess so we move forward.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,338
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,338 |
Ammo..You have come a long ways man..  That makes me laugh when you write stuff like that.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,855
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,855 |
Quote:
gave away a 6 for Wallace (not a bad deal),
Actually, it was a conditional 7th rounder that could go to a 6th.. so it actually could be an even better deal... 
Quote:
Who, in their right mind is gonna fork a 2 for him, and take his contract,...we'd be better off keeping him for a year and work the running game/defense angle.
We kept Mangini,....just sayin'.
There is a difference between keeping a head coach that had a rough first year but turned it around at the end. Especially if he was trying to make over a team in the process.
But I see your point, Holmgren seems to be all about trying to be fair when he can. And he's said a number of times that he didn't think that Quinn got a fair shake. So I suppose it's possible we keep Quinn, start Wallace, and keep Delhomme as the tutor, sage advisor who could spot start if needed..
Geesh, the more I Iook at that, the less I like it....Maybe we'd be better off with a clean sweep..
Maybe trading Quinn for whatever you can get, Picks most likely.. draft someone in the middle rounds and let it be Wallace, delhomme and the Rook..
Whew, I'm really glad I don't have to make those decisions...
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149 |
That's the conclusion I've come to also,....we can sit here all day long and hypothesize.
Still think Holmgren has been around too long to not know how to be playing games with people, and I think that's what he's up to.
Won't like it if we trade Quinn, 'cause he'll end up in Pittsburgh after Ben goes to jail. Still burnin' on Hank too, but I'll live,...
Have to.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 434
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 434 |
I want to see Quinn get a yr without having to look over his shoulder just to see what he can do. If we trade him it wont break my heart though.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149 |
Lot of folks don't think he "deserves" that. I'm not one of 'em. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
honestly, that's a really easy decision for me.
i would also expect MH to say that quinn deserves more starts for a proper evaluation because he's not going to say "well quinn isn't going to get any better." it's damage control for his performance last season.
trade quinn, get another piece but more importantly, remove him as an option. MH's goal is to have an undisputed started and if quinn is on the team, people will ask for him.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,855
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,855 |
Quote:
I want to see Quinn get a yr without having to look over his shoulder just to see what he can do.
And being coached up in the psuedo WCO we are apparently installing..
then again, everyone on this board that I respect says you need accuracy and Quinn hasn't shown that either..
As much as I'd like to see Quinn succeed with us, I'm not feeling it..
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149 |
I hope MH isn't spending time on damage control or worrying about what I think about Quinn.
Trading Quinn means starting over--and I guess that wouldn't be so bad since we're on an FO startover anyway.
I'm just not sold on Bradford, and spewing away a good draft otherwise,....
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
i don't think he's trying to convince any of us about what we think about quinn, it's what the other 31 teams think about quinn that matters while we're trying to move him. that's the damage control he's trying to do.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,165
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,165 |
I'm just waiting and accepting whatever it is that Holmgren is working on. I'm more curious to see the outcome than I am worried about what it will be.
That said, I *really* do not want to spend a high draft pick on a QB. 3rd round? Fine... but not 1 or 2.
I also hope that Holmgren isn't pressing the issue just to show his "QB-Guruness", because that is how mistakes are made, and we've had enough of those at this position.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,855
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,855 |
Quote:
I also hope that Holmgren isn't pressing the issue just to show his "QB-Guruness", because that is how mistakes are made, and we've had enough of those at this position.
Ahh, let's be honest Purp,, Holmgren isn't perfect,, trying to accomplish what he needs to accomplish with the Browns is a tough job.. He's bound to make a mistake or two along the way.
I can accept that..
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 434
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 434 |
Not thinking he will be great, but servicable. Hope he grows into the role as starter. Like i said though if he gets traded its no biggy either.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 434
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 434 |
Don't know why but I have a funny feeling we are getting LeFevour in 3rd
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,418
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,418 |
Neither guy impressed me in the least last year ..... so I won't shed a tear over either one leaving.
That being said ...... I think that we will successfully take the 2nd and 1st that we spent on Quinn and turn them into 1 more pick in our stable of 5ths this year .....
A fourth would be really lucky.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,195
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,195 |
Hindsight as they say but it's sure looking like getting rid of both of them last year would have been a really good choice.
#GMSTRONG
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,212
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,212 |
Unfortunately, if the browns are trading Quinn, its happening a year too late. Who would have thought he would have sucked so badly last year. Instead of showing promise, he raised more question marks. And don't forget he now has the lisfranc injury to deal with. He's damaged goods as well. Maybe a 5th or 6th rounder for him, can't imagine much more. He might have more value in a player for player trade.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,195
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,195 |
Now that you mention it, as good a deal as I think we got for Wallace, trading him for Wallace straight up saving our 7th next year might have been a better option.
#GMSTRONG
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,693
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,693 |
Quote:
I also hope that Holmgren isn't pressing the issue just to show his "QB-Guruness", because that is how mistakes are made, and we've had enough of those at this position.
I thought, naw... he wouldn't do that... Then I see Seneca-freakin'-Wallace come in and I'm thinkin'... What better way for The Walrus to oust Mangenius with the full blessing of the fan base. Force an untenable QB situation by getting rid of the two starters familiar with the current system, force a new system on him, (not one of his own devising, but one handed to him by the freakin' president), bring in two new losers, (ala Wallace & Dellhomme) bolster them with a weak receiving corps, then say, "Well Coach, show me some wins and we'll talk about your future. If you can't win, then I'm afraid we'll have to part ways."
Gee, I wonder how this season will go. I predict a decent running game while we're being torched through the air by the rest of the AFC North, and the rest of the NFL. 2011, new coach, and we get to start all over again. But don't worry, Holmgren's in charge now, we can all rest easy. It's gonna be just fine once he has (insert one: Reid, Gruden, Mooch) in here and his WCO installed.
![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/hfMNC7T.jpg) "I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski "Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield #gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
j/c dunno how the mary kay can write this given there's nothing in the article to support her claim but... Quote:
CLEVELAND -- Browns quarterback Brady Quinn would welcome a trade if the Browns aren't committed to him as their starter, a league source told the Plain Dealer.
Quinn's first choice would be to start for the Browns, his lifelong favorite team as a kid growing up in Dublin, Ohio, but the team hasn't shown him that its sold on him as their franchise quarterback.
In fact, they're bringing in former Carolina quarterback Jake Delhomme for a visit on Thursday and traded for Seattle backup Seneca Wallace on Monday.
Quinn, who's gone 3-9 in his 12 starts, was placed on injured reserve for the final two games with a foot injury suffered Dec. 20 in Kansas City. But he's recovering well from the injury and will be ready for the offseason program, which begins next week for most teams.
Quinn's development has been hampered by changing regimes and schemes, but he still has plenty of supporters throughout the league who think he can be effective in the right situation.
The Broncos were rumored to be interested in Quinn last offseason, but it's not yet known if they'll be bite this time around.
ESPN's Adam Schefter reported today that the Browns "have offered Quinn to other teams,'' but a league source told the Plain Dealer that the Browns have not actively tried to trade anyone, including Quinn.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/03/cleveland_browns_qb_brady_quin_2.html
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,440
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,440 |
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Brady Quinn being offered for
trade
|
|
