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I think this time of year you can't believe anything you hear. We could trade Quinn but like you I doubt it. The biggest problem I have with it right now is that he has no trade value after the year he had last season. Just like he didn't show anyone on here he was the QB of the future he also didn't show any GM around the league he was either.
He also is not a very expensive guy to have around to be the backup QB if you brought in someone better. Up to this point they haven't (No matter what some of you think of Wallace)
I think the fact that they are bringing in guys like Delhomme is more a sign of them doing their due diligence than anything else. I think they should always be bringing in guys if they feel they can be an upgrade. It doesn't really say anything about the position that we didn't already know. We know BQ isn't Peyton Manning. I think most feel his ceiling is no higher than an above average QB if that.
We also brought in Justin Fargas. Does that mean the writing is on the wall that MH has no faith in Harrison also? No it just means he is looking at every position to get the best players he can for the team.
I've said already that I wouldn't be surprised to see Quinn gone but unlike some on here I don't see it as a forgone conclusion. It may happen but so far it's just rumor and speculation. It could very easily be a smoke screen to make people around the league think we are going to use our first round pick on a QB.
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That's a good point. If MH and company really have as little faith in BQ and are trying to trade him, they are doing a historically bad job of keeping whatever trade value he has (if any).
How so?
They can't try and trade him without actually calling teams, and when you do that, you run the risk of people leaking word that they are shopping a player.
Beyond that, you don't just stop trying to upgrade the team while holding out hope of finding a trade partner. That means you still have to trade for a guy like Wallace, and you still have to bring in guys like Delhomme for visits.
In short, you fix the problems first, and worry about maximizing value second.
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This is my maiden post. Are we trading Quinn or not. I have heard Nothing from Holmgren that says He is trading Quinn so they are just rumors. !2 games in three years is hardly an audition.
But I will play Devils advocate what is gained from making everyone think we are done with Quinn? Does it change perception of whom we draft? Would Holmgren leak no faith in Quinn and torpedo any trade value? Is Holmgren so green a horse trader? i remember a comment he was quoted on in January about the way to build a team is NOT TO GIVE AWAY TALENT already on the roster. I thought it was a dig in How the browns traded Winslow and Edwards for chump change...so why we he do that with Quinn? It is not consistent.
I say we are keeping Quinn whether we sign Delhomme or not. Let others guess and sniff, Holmgren is saying Nothing. DA stunk and he deserves to be gone. Quinn may get the tutelage in Holmgren he needs to thrive and an offense that fits his talents. he is going NOWHERE. 
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you run the risk of people leaking word that they are shopping a player.
That ship has sailed.
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well not only that but i suspect that's the main reason MH has been on record by saying you can't evaluate a qb until a few years of starting. he's trying to minimize the damage of quinn's past performance.
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First,, welcome to the board man,, enjoy.. Quote:
This is my maiden post. Are we trading Quinn or not. I have heard Nothing from Holmgren that says He is trading Quinn so they are just rumors.
Adam Shafter is saying it, some others are reporting that we are shopping him, but, to my knowledge, there has been no confirmation from the Browns.
At this point, it's gotta be just speculation..
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Would Holmgren leak no faith in Quinn and torpedo any trade value? Is Holmgren so green a horse trader?
Holmgren doesn't strike me as being so dumb as to torpedo Quinns trade value. Probably why we haven't heard from him that Quinn is on the Trading Block.. Just a guess...
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Quinn may get the tutelage in Holmgren he needs to thrive and an offense that fits his talents. he is going NOWHERE.
Holmgren has said, about a hundred times since joining the team that he is not going to be coaching. So don't count on any QB getting any tutelage from him.. I mean, I think he may be in meetings, may even go to the film room from time to time.. But beyond that, who knows..
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Holmgren has said, about a hundred times since joining the team that he is not going to be coaching. So don't count on any QB getting any tutelage from him.. I mean, I think he may be in meetings, may even go to the film room from time to time.. But beyond that, who knows..
well, he did say that he will be involved with the qbs and honestly, it would only make sense. why bring in someone with a reputation for building qbs and not let him work with them, an area that we never had good qb production in the last 10 years (aside from one year). that said, that we want to move quinn and MH's unwillingness to say anythign good about quinn tells us what MH thinks of quinn.
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well, he did say that he will be involved with the qbs and honestly
Other than selecting them? I remember him saying he's not doing ANY coaching.. none. don't get me wrong, I'd love to see him involved in teaching the QB's.. love it.
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My opinion based on absolutely zero evidence is as follows..........
Remember when Holmgren said he'd be evaluating the QB's and wouldn't make any opinions until that time? I think he had a "pretty-good" idea of what he thought of our guys, but has since studied film and come to the following conclusion:
Time to go after Wallace.............and he isn't stopping there.
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I actually think we did have several guys with upside.. McCown, Wynn, Bartel and even Couch and I think Quinn had upside (he still may).. Not one of them were given a fair chance under one plan to succeed..
I would have to agree with Couch, he wasn't given a fair opportunity and he did have some talent, he just didn't have the supporting cast.
I can't really agree with any of the others. But hey to each his own, you have the right to your opinion.
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So, where do we go from here?
Dump everybody, get a clean slate.
1. Get a guy that knows the system and has real upside (wallace). CHECK
2. Get a veteran that's close to the end of his career but might be ok sitting behind a couple of young guys to add some stability, (delhomme, but really there are several that fit that mold)
3. Draft someone that you think can be developed over the next several years..
May not be the plan that everyone on here would like, but at least it's a plan.. 
Sounds like a good plan to me.
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My hopes are that we sign Delhomme, we have never really had a legitimate backup QB who has done a single thing in the NFL.
Dilfer was a back up for a while and he won a superbowl,, I'd say we have indeed had a QB that HAS done a single thing in the NFL.....
I agree. I think he have had a lot of good back-up qbs.....it's just that we used them as starter.
Couch....good back-up
Holcomb...good back-up
Anderson....good back-up
Quinn....good back-up
Add in Dilfer, Dorsey, and maybe a few others.
I don't care who our starter is(well, I care) ....the point is we need to match him with a back-up[ who is clearly a step below.
Our problem is we always seem to get a starter and back-up with similar skills....thus half the fans and team prefer one guy, and half the other.
Things work so much better when everybody dreads having to play the back-up.
Clevelands 12th man is only going to return when we can all agree the guy we are playing is the clear cut best we have.....even if he is inadequate.
You can still root for that and not cheer when someone gets hurt because it brings in the player you want.
When and if we have a player....in this case QB hurt, it needs to bring a hushed silence...be it because we are concerned for the hurt player or because we know we don't stand much of a chance with the guy we are bringing in as a replacement.
A team needs one QB then a few who can take snaps. If your guy gets hurt, then your chances of winning diminish.
Really, who wants to be a great back-up anything??? Either you take the job or you demand a trade.
People who have what it takes.....be it football or garbage collector aren't happy playing second fiddle.
I guess you could add fiddle player to that list.
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Theres plenty of teams out there that could use a QB that has starter ability, so we'll see.
Do ya think that Charlie Weis/Romeo would want Quinn to join them??? Go Brownies!!!
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well i can't think of any article off the top of my head to support my point. i only remember holmgren saying that mangini asked him to be involved with the qbs and he was happy to do it, given his background. i don't rmemeber to what extent he mentioned but i remember being under the impression that the qb's development would be something MH had some involvement in.
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well, he did say that he will be involved with the qbs and honestly
Other than selecting them? I remember him saying he's not doing ANY coaching.. none. don't get me wrong, I'd love to see him involved in teaching the QB's.. love it.
Mangini asked for Holmgren to work with the QB's, I do remember that article.
you had a good run Hank.
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I agree, the highest pick I'd trade for McNabb is a 3rd and maybe something else (and I really want McNabb) and the highest pick for Kolb would be a 2nd.
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Mangini asked for Holmgren to work with the QB's, I do remember that article.
Ok,, But I don't remember it....
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I think he was reffering to the input on qb's not the coaching of them.
Holmgren has stated numerous times he will not coach this year.
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I agree, the highest pick I'd trade for McNabb is a 3rd and maybe something else (and I really want McNabb) and the highest pick for Kolb would be a 2nd.
So would you package Quinn and a 3rd to get McNabb? I know I would, and then draft a qb in the later rounds of this draft....also if we go this route then we need to cut Ratty too....no need to hold onto any of the qb's we had last year!
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I wouldn't include Quinn in the package. Why?
Because they'd change their mind from a 3rd and ask for a 2nd.
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If Quinn doesn't fit Holmgren's offense, why would Andy Reid want him?
Same offense.
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Damonshot, thanks for responding in detail first of all, your points were concise except maybe the last one about tutelage. Here is why I say maybe Holmgren is more involved than he says he is. First reports is that Holmgren says our offense is up to the staff and comments by Mangini about west Coast offense in funny sidebars. Now we hear reports how the OC is being instructed in the west coast offense. Now this does not sound like hands off coaching but involvement on every level by Holmgren. It seems Mangini did not know that HE would be running a west coast offense, so maybe by the same extrapolation, oh say he visits the QBs during practice and maybe has some after school practice, or maybe he instructs his QB coach to lip sync.
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If Quinn doesn't fit Holmgren's offense, why would Andy Reid want him?
Same offense.
Jeez, did you miss the joke?
That's why I said if we included Quinn in the package, they'd go from wanting a 3rd rounder to wanting a 2nd.
On a serious note, for the vast majority of QB's, if you can play at all, you can play in any offensive scheme. The rare exceptions are guys like Garcia. Beyond that, at this point, Quinn can be had for peanuts, relatively speaking. I'd be surprised if we could net a 4th rounder for him. He's much more of a known quantity now, as opposed to all the BS hype when he came out.
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We also brought in Justin Fargas. Does that mean the writing is on the wall that MH has no faith in Harrison also? No it just means he is looking at every position to get the best players he can for the team.
j/k
Excellent point, FO need to look at every player availble to them, heck if they didnt we'd scream they werent doing enough to improve us.
as for Delhomme, He can't do any worse
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I think he was reffering to the input on qb's not the coaching of them.
Holmgren has stated numerous times he will not coach this year.
that is what I remember.. I also remember that he has stated a million times, that he's NOT going to be coaching but that his door is open so that mangini can walk in and discuss anything..
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I do.
Selective recall around this place....I remember it as well.
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I think he was reffering to the input on qb's not the coaching of them.
Holmgren has stated numerous times he will not coach this year.
that is what I remember.. I also remember that he has stated a million times, that he's NOT going to be coaching but that his door is open so that mangini can walk in and discuss anything..
I agree with that as well....maybe I commented without reading all the posts. If Holmgren is going to coach, it is going to be more behind the scenes and really, more a coaching of the coaches. I don't think he is going to be very active with the players other than only in a very informal way.
I think it would be impossible for him to not ever toss a player a tip or two.
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I think it would be impossible for him to not ever toss a player a tip or two.
no way to avoid it, I'm pretty sure he may even go to the film room with Daboll, Mangini and Haskell as well.. no doubt he won't be the typical "hands off" club president. he'll be involved,, but coaching, on a daily basis.. hey, the man says he won't be doing it.. and that's what I remember..
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That would be the coaching of the coaches i mentioned.
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That would be the coaching of the coaches i mentioned.
LOL,, it's funny, when I started to respond, I was going to mention that,then my wife asked me to get her a cup of coffee.. and I lost track of my thought..
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Didn't he say right around the time he was hired that he still enjoys getting out on to the field and working with the guys and that he would probably be doing some of that? I seem to recall him being asked if he would be doing any coaching and that was his response. I also vaguely remember him saying he would have some involvement with the QB's and he would lend his expertise, but I remember him implying it wouldn't be anything but him satisfying his urge to be out there and it wouldn't be like he was the QB coach, just offering his opinions. Or maybe my memory is faulty. I'm only 27 so its probably still good though
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It was reported that MH & EM had a meeting and EM asked MH to be "very involved" with the QB's. MH embraced that role and indicated he would be "hands-off" the other positions unless EM asked for assistance.
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i remember that very well.
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If he wants to tutor our QBs and coaches, who is going to tell him he can't?
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I wonder if this is a new AkronJoe or the old one....we had one before. A good egg as I recall...one of the few who would side with me when discussing Couch some years back.
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I think you could have ended your sentence right there.
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Just clicking..
I have a rather dumb question I think..
Why didn't Brady Quinn go to Ohio State? Was he offered anything from them?
Just wondering...
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