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Are you kidding me? I said I liked the signing, and I do. But to let people go on like he is the best tight end in the NFL is foolishness.
Top: Would I have said something like that if it wasn't a concern? It was never a concern with Ozzie, so there is no correlation between the two whatsoever.
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That was a great video, and this guy is a great lead by example type of guy to have on the roster. talk about never give up. That type of play can become contagious in a locker room. Favorite part......the Bronco's on the side line. .... "84 hit him" "84?!?!?.......the tight end?" 
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Every time I watch that play I get goosebumps, and that is what I see in my mind when I hear his name. He has the perfect team attitude.
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Regarding Watson's yardage per season, I think its also worth noting that the past few years he's been lining up alongside the likes of Randy Moss and Wes Welker, who are both very viable targets and get lots of looks.
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thank you,, that is all I was trying to say.... 
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That is a good point, but it can be looked at from two angles. Number one, did they possibly open up the field for him and allow him to get open? Or two, did they take passes away from him?
It can be looked at either way, but I tend to believe that Watson never really impressed the people in New England. The Patriots drafted him in the 1st round, so they obviously came into it expecting big things, and hoping to utilize him. But he never really produced like a 1st round tight end should.
He is a solid player, no doubt, and he does shore up the tight end position, but there are a few questions with him.
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Or two, did they take passes away from him?
Not looking past last year here. he played in all 16 games for the Pats.. they threw to him 33 times (29 receptions + 4 Drops) I'd say it's that they took passes away from him..
JMO however.
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But without watching many games, we can't make that assumption. It could be that he wasn't getting open.
Like I said earlier, the Pats obviously drafted him with the intention of him being a very good player. Something has kept him from dominating.
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Good move by Cleveland. If it doesn't work out at least they know they got a guy who gives 100% every play. He's one of my favorite players ever since he chased down Champ Baily in the playoffs to save a pick 6.
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Well, this is just a guess on my part,, mostly cause I don't watch many Pats games.. but, with welker and Moss getting most of the work, there really isn't anything left over but the crumbs... Just my initial take on it..
So some quick checking shows that Watsons best year came in 06.. That's a year before Welker or Moss arrived.. Ironically, he was doing fine before Moss and Welker got there in 07,,, in fact he had a very decent year the year before those two got arrived..
Played in and started 13 games, 49 receptions, 643 yards and a 13.1 yard average with 3 TD's and 2 lost fumbles.
Not the best, but better than what was on the Browns last season. (I keep wondering what Moore could have done with a full year however)
My guess is that the arrival of Welker and Moss stunted his production. Just a guess however..
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Man Cleveland fans are indeed crazy. We got the best TE available and all we can do is point out his faults before he has even played one game. FYI alot of great TEs drop balls let alone those considered above average. I'm not saying that DA should have said his comments but man you can sure understand why he did.
Gotta agree with Deep here, I have def read some posters saying that he will make us forget Winslow, AMAZING pickup etc.. People, we picked up a decent 29 year old TE. Hardly a world beater. He is solid player/better than what we have? Yes. He is going to help our offense? Yes a bit he will. Is he a key component? Absolutely not. He is a solid football player and a decent pick up.
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Or two, did they take passes away from him?
Not looking past last year here. he played in all 16 games for the Pats.. they threw to him 33 times (29 receptions + 4 Drops) I'd say it's that they took passes away from him..
JMO however.
I don't know the exact amount of looks he had last year, but it was definitely over 33. That number doesn't include any passes that were picked off, deflected or uncatchable...
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I don't know the exact amount of looks he had last year, but it was definitely over 33. That number doesn't include any passes that were picked off, deflected or uncatchable...
Yeah Maybe, but there is no disputing he had 29 receptions and someone earlier on this thread was able to confirm that he dropped 4 passes.. Add it together and what do you get?
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It now removes the need for a TE as part of the first 3 rounds for the Browns. The Winslow trade, and the Royal debacle left the Browns without a legitimate pass recieving TE until Moore appeared at the end of the season.
I still expect the Browns to draft a TE this year, but this takes some of the pressure off, as Watson is a solid, if unspectacular player who may benefit from the WCO.
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That's because Watson ran a 4.41 at his Pro Day..... He was underutilized in New England with Welker catching like 340 balls a season, and Moss on the other end. Awesome pick up for us.
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Dude I like you, and even respect your opinion to a point, but come on, Watson is a very good tight end.
Winslow was not a conventional TE and comparing their production is ludicrous.
You are reaching big time trying to say this guy is so so. Sure you didn't use those words, but the gist is there.
He is a reliable player with good speed and size and decent hands. He's not a WR so quit trying to compate him to one. Winslow was not a true TE, he was a WR in a TE body.
Your opinion is good usually, but in this case, I have to believe you are getting a little bloated in your ability to judge a player.
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After watching that video of him chasing Bailey down I love the guy. Hopefully that wasn't ten years ago and now he has nothing left.
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Sounds like we got a good TE here 
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We did. Watson, Royal, and Moore is a good group.
Watson is a pretty good blocker and receiver...Royal a good blocker if we want a 2TE set with blocking the emphasis, and Moore is a plus receiver who can even line up outside if we want a 2TE set geared more for passing.
I think we are done at TE and don't think we will draft one as this is a group we could probably go with for the next several years..spend draft picks on positions we can't go with is my attitude.
With this group of players we have all the blocking we really need out of the position and combined I see no reason the group can't catch nearly 100 balls with an appropriate numbers of TDs and yards.....I can see both Watson and Moore with 40+ catches.
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Deep may be going overboard about his drops... but even I said that is why the Patriots did not sign him...
Sometimes he does drop a few passes.. I said that even before we got him..
However.. He is the closest thing to being Winslow as far as talent wise. I think the biggest difference is that Winslow is a guy that shows great finesse on the field. He's just smooth with it. lol. Other than that... They both make big plays..
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I don't really care about Winslow....I would say Moore is more like Winslow...a pass catching TE.
Watson adds a element of blocking to the position.
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I don't care about Winslow either.. just mentioned him since someone brought his name into the thread.
Watson and Moore is a great combo.. I still would draft one though in case the injury bug hits..
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Seems it would be hard, or a waste of space to carry 4 tight ends.
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Winslow had talent but no brains. I call it "total package."
Sorry if anyone is offended, but Watson is here and Winslow is not. I didn't want to draft the guy in the first place.
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Seems it would be hard, or a waste of space to carry 4 tight ends.
Yeah, seems like a bad use of a roster spot.. Of course, if we drafted one or got an UDFA, we could stick him on the Practice Squad,,,, that's one way to keep an extra TE around I guess...
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Hell, I think 3 is one too many, unless the 3rd guy a great ST'er too.
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Didn't we have 3 on the roster most of the year.. Among them, Heiden, Royal, Gaines, Estandia and Moore.. I seem to remember one other guy... did I miss anyone?
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Hell, I think 3 is one too many, unless the 3rd guy a great ST'er too.
Ooo....If the TE is an integral part of the Holmgren offense, carrying 3 TEs would be the right number, IMO.
The risk of injury must be factored in along with the importance of the position related to the effective operation of the Browns new offense.
The Browns might be able to get along with just 2 TEs on the roster if they have someone else who could fill in if there was an injury to one of the TEs.
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It now removes the need for a TE as part of the first 3 rounds for the Browns. The Winslow trade, and the Royal debacle left the Browns without a legitimate pass recieving TE until Moore appeared at the end of the season.
I still expect the Browns to draft a TE this year, but this takes some of the pressure off, as Watson is a solid, if unspectacular player who may benefit from the WCO.
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A lot of teams carry 3, I assume part of the reason is they are good fits for blocking on returns. Part of the reason is probably goal line or short yardage sets, and part of the reason is probably injury.
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Hell, I think 3 is one too many, unless the 3rd guy a great ST'er too.
Ooo....If the TE is an integral part of the Holmgren offense, carrying 3 TEs would be the right number, IMO.
The risk of injury must be factored in along with the importance of the position related to the effective operation of the Browns new offense.
The Browns might be able to get along with just 2 TEs on the roster if they have someone else who could fill in if there was an injury to one of the TEs.
I'm just saying that, even if you're in a two-TE set 100% of the time, one of the 3 is standing around,....and I'd like to have him eating a roster spot at picking up another function. I don't have a "problem" with 3, but 4 is a plain waste of energy.
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I'd just like to see Cribbs learn how to be something other than a gimmick player.
As a receiver, he averaged 6.8 yards/catch. He rushed for 6.9 yards/attempt. He is definitely not an effective WR at this point. This was, by far, the lowest average per catch on the team outside of the RBs. Hell, Robert Royal had almost the same number of receiving yards, more first downs, and as many receiving TDs as Cribbs did, on roughly half as many catches. (20-11)
He ran effectively from the Wildcat formation (mainly) with 1 or 2 WR reverses thrown in that I can remember. I don't recall him ever lining up as a traditional RB.
He attempted 4 passes last year ... completing 1 to our guys for 18 yards .... and 1 to the other team that killed a potential scoring drive.
I would just like to see Cribbs be effective at something other than running out of the Wildcat. (Other than, obviously, his exceptional special teams play)
Getting back to Watson ... I think he'll be more effective in a Browns uniform than he was as a Patriot. Here he'll be on a offense that will utilize the TE a great deal. He won't have a Welker and Moss on the outside limiting his opportunities to see the ball. I think he could come close to his personal highs in catches, yards, and TDs this year. (49 catches, 643 yards, and 5 TDs are his career highs)
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The Ben Watson signing, it sounds like just another Cozy Colman move to me.
Look back now, because Corey Williams has just parted from the team, did his signing, the signing of Corey Williams two years or so ago, deserve any excitement?
This is the same .... old..... recipe..... of the Browns in the offseason roster moves since 1999. It doesn't work in the long run to have a large amount of turnover in players who are veterans, because it hurts cohesiveness.
The veterans, don't have as much to prove, because they have already made it with another team, as the rookies do, the veterans are going to sacrifice less blood and sweat for their 2nd team than their first NFL team. It is just human nature, and it can't be measured.
I realize this argument is subjective opinion but there is something to it.
I hope soon they realize what the perenial winning teams do, and stay away from free agenst who are not already on their own team, OR! are not arguably superstars.
Sometimes it is difficult to catergoize who is a good free agent signing. I don't think this is one.
With these kind of signings, going back to even Tucker, Verba, Roye, I don't think the player develops the loyalty to really sacrifice until about a full season of playing on the new team.
The arguable superstars would be signings like TJ Houshmanzadeh last year, or Ricky Williams to the dolphins, even Cedric Benson last year.
Free agent pick ups, at least in March should be few, 2 or less, every year.
I've watched the last 10 years, I'm a bit cynical. They could sign the best 4 players in the entire NFL and I"m not going to buy the hype, not this time.
The off-season hype has been consistent for the last 10 years, as consistent as the in season trainwreck , and as consistent as being at the bottom of the division.
The Browns are not only consistent at the bottom of the AFC NORTH! but if you included the AFC SOUTH the Browns have been consistent to be in 7th or 8th of those 8 teams over the last 10 years.
Turn it into a win on opening day?
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I would just like to see Cribbs be effective at something other than running out of the Wildcat. (Other than, obviously, his exceptional special teams play)
Just a thought, but maybe you are asking for too much from the guy.. Just talking out loud here,, but he's so valuable with KO and Punt returns and in the wildcat, that maybe that's good enough.. Just sayin
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Na.. I get what your saying but it is what it is. Watson is an upgrade we were not likely to have if we relied solely on the draft. Not every move has to be a homerun singles help too.
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Tough to even respond to that comparison of Coleman and Watson. Definetely not on the same page with my thoughts. Barely in the same book.
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