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The run game also helps the defense rest and control the clock.
Tell that to Miami when they had the ball for 3 Qtrs and Peyton had it 1 qtr and still beat them. Just saying D and a Running game is not nearly as important as it used to be
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This move makes perfect sense. Bring in Jake to groom Tebow for 2 years while he learns how to take a snap.
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You make a reference like you live in the Carolina area so I assume that you watch alot of those games. Like you stated, Jake has been bad for the last 2 years. Watching some of the Carolina games, it was CLEAR that he was the weak link on that team for the last two years. And that is with a running game, good receivers and a solid defense. Jake was the weak link!!
So now, we are suppose to think that something has happened and now he will be better? For everyone ( not just you Jester) who think this was a good pick up, then please tell me what has happened that will make Jake better than last year?? Better receivers, nope! Better oline, nope! Then what??
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I don't like this move but it's better then what we had last year. It just reminds me too much of the marginal was-been or might-be-again QB's we've had on staff since '99. Well, at least we now have another Belichick cast off to throw to who used to play with Mangini.  Gawd I was hoping we'd get off of the New England Patriots has-been list.
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People thought Kurt Warner was washed up when he went to the Cardinals...just trying to remain a little positive.
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You're kidding yourself. Delhomme was brought in to start. IF he was going to be backup don't you think he would rather be a backup for the Saints?
Well yeah, IF he was offered a contract with the saints... was he? if not, then this is merely a job
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Yet another Nice move! I like every move we have done so far!! 
Great 1 year fix with a solid vet, maybe he can go 2 years until Mike finds our real QB.
Finally we can get rid of Brady - maybe even get a 4th rounder for him or package him with something to get a player? Who cares.. the guy was overrated and he couldn't throw past 10-15 yards.
Out of all the posts in this thread, I can't believe I agree with the guy with the worst board name and the lowest post total (no offense -  ).
The way I see it, MH knows QB's right? So he would know that DA and Quinn don't have "it". So then there's no reason to keep either around when he knows they're a dead end. Simple.
He got Seneca for practically nothing (conditional 6th or 7th round 2011 pick). MH knows Seneca and his offense. And Jake gets a small 2-year deal to be the man until the rookie we draft this or next year comes in.
Heck, maybe this move is because of the uncertainty of Quinn's injury. Who knows right now.
And let's be honest, we all knew MH would try rebuilding this team...do you all really think he was going to just keep the Quinn/DA shipwreck moving? We needed a clean sweep from those two.
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You're kidding yourself. Delhomme was brought in to start. IF he was going to be backup don't you think he would rather be a backup for the Saints?
Well yeah, IF he was offered a contract with the saints... was he? if not, then this is merely a job
If you read the articles that have been posted in almost every single one of them it mentions that the Saints were interested in him as a backup.
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The run game also helps the defense rest and control the clock.
Tell that to Miami when they had the ball for 3 Qtrs and Peyton had it 1 qtr and still beat them. Just saying D and a Running game is not nearly as important as it used to be
Understand, but that would be a short term anomaly.
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If you read the articles that have been posted in almost every single one of them it mentions that the Saints were interested in him as a backup.
Interest don't mean anything., WAS he offered a contract?
we showed interest in Fargas.. did we offer him anything? NO.
Point is, if he's going to be a back up,NO would be the better place to do that,, the problem is, if it wasn't offered, then it's MOOT.
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Loki,
Hell, I can accept that answer as the best I have read because the all the other reasons are not making any logical sense!
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Understand, but that would be a short term anomaly.
Not really considering neither team in the Superbowl had a top flight D or run game, no RB or defense player has been the superbowl MVP for years, and the team with the 1st rush offense and 1st defense in the league didn't make it ot the Superbowl I would call it more than an anomaly.
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I do live in Charlotte. And I never said it was a good move. I said if he has recovered his arm strength AND repaired his psyche but those are 2 huge IF's.
And as an aside, the Panthers' receivers were not that good. They have Steve Smith who is a great receiver but has lost a step over the years and nobody else worth mentioning. Now there running game, well that was clearly one of the best in the league. Their defense was very underwelming neutralizing their running game at times by forcing the Panthers to play catch up.
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And as an aside, the Panthers' receivers were not that good. They have Steve Smith who is a great receiver but has lost a step over the years and nobody else worth mentioning. Now there running game, well that was clearly one of the best in the league. Their defense was very underwelming neutralizing their running game at times by forcing the Panthers to play catch up.
When I watched the Panthers I always thought their defense was overrated (Besides Peppers) and besides Smith Delhomme had nobody to throw to. I think people are vastly overrating what Delhomme had to worth with.
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j/c So let's see now......our QBs now amount to a career backup and a grizzled vet with a bad arm. Gosh.....I'm so glad I renewed my season tickets early........
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just clicking...
Those of you thinking that "any" QB brought in was going to lead the 2010 Browns to the playoffs, better think again.
The Browns are in REBUILDING mode (again) only this time we have a man that knows a little about assessing QBs and developing young QB into long term NFL starters.
Delhomme is being given a shot at resurrecting his own career but at the very least as a veteran who can help to teach whomever the Browns target as they QB of the future.
If Delhomme lights it up here in Cleveland, great...if he doesn't, his experience and knowledge will help to mold someone who will be the QB of the future.
To me, the exciting part is "who" will be that young prospect the Browns target as their QB of the future?....
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Understand, but that would be a short term anomaly.
Not really considering neither team in the Superbowl had a top flight D or run game, no RB or defense player has been the superbowl MVP for years, and the team with the 1st rush offense and 1st defense in the league didn't make it ot the Superbowl I would call it more than an anomaly.
I thought we were discussing the Miami-Indy game,...OK, we're not I guess.
Where what team was ranked in what stat doesn't mean a hill of beans.
Who picked off Peyton Manning to seal the SuperBowl,...oh, that's right, the Saints DEFENSE. Who cares where it was ranked, it was good enough.
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I thought we were discussing the Miami-Indy game,...OK, we're not I guess.
Where what team was ranked in what stat doesn't mean a hill of beans.
Who picked off Peyton Manning to seal the SuperBowl,...oh, that's right, the Saints DEFENSE. Who cares where it was ranked, it was good enough.
No I am talking about the importance of the Passing game over a run game and defense. Also the Defense scored 7 points and the Saints O scored 24 points yet you give all the credit to the Defense 
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I think it's a decent move considering what was available. Let's face it.. our QB play CAN'T get much worse then what we've seen lately. For whatever reason. I don't think it means Quinn HAS to be traded either. Teams usually have 3 QB's on the roster and Quinn's salary is fairly low. I'd prefer to keep him and let Ratcliff go. Quinn gets time to learn the system, lose some upper body building mass and learns how to play from a proven pro. One more chance before we cut bait ? OR.. we wait till draft day and use him for a deal sweetener..
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I'm not giving credit to anyone in total. It is a team game.
Yeah but not ever part of the game/team is equally important. We have the highest ranked Special Teams did that matter? Nope. The Saints had the number 1 or 2 ranked offense did that matter? Yep.
It maybe a team game but I'd rather have the best QB than the best Kicker or RB...or heck any other position.
Hopefully Delhomme, Wallace, and whoever we draft can evenutally mold us a franchise QB.
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Holmgren and Co. have been spectacularly unimpressive thus far. Not one single move has improved this team. Not one. It's like doing things just for the sake of doing something.
Browns football ... gotta love it.
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Not sure what I'm thinking about this other than it's not elation. It's better than what we've had and offers the promise of no one screaming to put the backup in regardless of which one of them starts. We've gone from sucks to supreme mediocrity, so it is an upgrade, after a fashion...
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Holmgren and Co. have been spectacularly unimpressive thus far. Not one single move has improved this team. Not one. It's like doing things just for the sake of doing something.
You have got to be kidding me. You are absolutely and totally wrong.
1)Watson may or may not be better than Winslow but he is defiently better than what we had last year.
2) Pashos is definitely better than St. Clair and could even be better RG
3) Fujita is better than Bowens for sure and maybe Barton
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Holmgren and Co. have been spectacularly unimpressive thus far. Not one single move has improved this team. Not one. It's like doing things just for the sake of doing something.
I agree 100%
Very poor offseason thus far.
Got rid of Quinn, for Delhomme. The same Delhomme who threw 8 touchdowns and 18 interceptions with Steve Smith and two 1000 yard backs. With that talent and he threw 8 touchdowns and 18 interceptions....
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If only you had started this sentence with Surely ... then I could have had a nice witty response waiting.
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just clicking...
Those of you thinking that "any" QB brought in was going to lead the 2010 Browns to the playoffs, better think again.
The Browns are in REBUILDING mode (again) only this time we have a man that knows a little about assessing QBs and developing young QB into long term NFL starters.
Delhomme is being given a shot at resurrecting his own career but at the very least as a veteran who can help to teach whomever the Browns target as they QB of the future.
If Delhomme lights it up here in Cleveland, great...if he doesn't, his experience and knowledge will help to mold someone who will be the QB of the future.
To me, the exciting part is "who" will be that young prospect the Browns target as their QB of the future?....
Just the context of this entire post reminds me of every freaking offseason of the Cleveland Browns ... it's like Groundhog Day over and over and over and over again.
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What Loki said,, it's just plain nuts to say they haven't improved the team..
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Holmgren and Co. have been spectacularly unimpressive thus far. Not one single move has improved this team. Not one. It's like doing things just for the sake of doing something.
Browns football ... gotta love it.
I completely disagree that they have not improved the team. Fujita, Pashos and Watson were all better than the starters at their respective positions.
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It's not like Holmgren and Heckert are out to sabotage the Browns. They are doing what they think will improve the team in the short term as they map out a bigger picture strategy for the future. That's at least the way I choose to view their offseason so far.
If anyone perfers to be angry because the roster moves don't coincide with the moves you might have made, then so be it. But I hope we will all give these guys a chance to put a better product on the field before final judgement is made.
I hope Jake has a little something left for 2010. Really, it couldn't be any worse than the 90 yard passing games we saw week after week last season. If Jake is a bust, hopefully Senaca can come in and get the offense moving. But the key will be the coming draft. I expect that the braintrust will select a QB they believe will become a starter in a year or two.
Whatever they've done, it beats standing pat.
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Not sure how I feel about this move. Two options here
1) We go into next year with Delhomme as our starter, Wallace as our backup and a rookie QB (who is also going to suck b/c this QB draft class is horrid) as our 3rd stringer to get groomed as our future franchise QB. As a bonus we get to punt that bum Quinn off our roster.
If that's the "plan" then I absolutely and utterly HATE it. We'll be doing this all over again in 4 years with ANOTHER new FO.
2) We go into next year with Seneca Wallace as our starter, Delhomme as our cheap veteran backup and Ratliff as our #3 while building our D and OLine/RB through the draft....and we target our true franchise QB (Jake Locker) in NEXT years great QB draft class. As a bonus we get to punt that bum Quinn off our roster.
If THIS is the "plan" then I absolutely and utterly LOVE it. Wallace brings a ton of versatility to the position and has (assumed) mastered our version of the WCO. He can man the spot for the next 2-3 years at league average production until we get our real future guy groomed and in place for the long haul. Delhomme is a great vet backup option to start in a pinch for the next 2 years but nothing else. We'd get to build the team around our QB (the right way to do it) instead of forcing a new QB in every 3 years and hoping.
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Loki,,, I gotta be fair,, Just read an article that says Delhomme cancelled his trip to NO... Quote:
QB Jake Delhomme agrees to 2-year deal with Cleveland Browns
By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
March 13, 2010, 6:02PM
Paul Battaglia / Associated PressJake Delhomme, who led Carolina to a Super Bowl, will try to win the starting job in Cleveland. CLEVELAND -- Free agent quarterback Jake Delhomme agreed to a two-year deal with the Browns, his agent Rick Smith confirmed for The Plain Dealer.
The offer was attractive enough for Delhomme, 35, that he canceled his scheduled trip to the New Orleans Saints, where he would've backed up Drew Brees. Terms were undisclosed.
Delhomme, formerly of the Carolina Panthers, visited the Browns on Thursday, but left town without signing a contract.
Browns President Mike Holmgren told The Plain Dealer on Friday that he didn't promise Delhomme the starting job but that "he certainly has the potential to be the starter here.''
Delhomme, who's struggled since a bad playoff game in 2008, went 58-40 for the Panthers, including a Super Bowl berth and two NFC Championship games. He also made the Pro Bowl in 2005.
Holmgren said Friday that Brady Quinn's future "depends on what else we can do.'' A source told The Plain Dealer this week that Quinn would welcome a trade if the Browns weren't committed to him as their starter.
The Browns also traded for former Seattle Seahawks backup quarterback Seneca Wallace last week
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/03/cleveland_browns_sign_quarterb.html
Not saying I should understand, but frankly, this makes little to no sense to me..
But it's very unfair to be to critical.. We've not seen what else holmgren and heckert have planned...
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I am trying to put my mind around this move. as I read all the pros and cons I agree with many of the posters but I need to put some sense to this. Now has Jake's game
been on the decline: This would be an obvious YES. What does the addition of aging Declining QB add to the mix at QB? Is Seneca Wallace an improvement over Jake or do we have two different mediocre QBs.
In Anderson, ever since his fluke first half of 07, to call him mediocre would be generous and his ticket out of town was welcome. But is Journeyman Wallace and fast declining Delhomme worth not giving Quinn a chance? What happened to "I like to see 32 game of film" befor I make a determination? How is it One mediocre and one failing QB put us in a better position. We need three QBs. are we keeping Quinn. ratliff stinks even if he is a Mangini "favorite".
So do we unceremoniously dump Quinn who's talent and future is a big question mark for the certainty of a mediocrity and a fallen star? Does this change anything regarding Quinn? Holmgren SAYS he hates QB competitions but he signed a nag and trotter....I still think Quinn's ceiling is far higher. Jakes ceiling is pretty low and getting lower, and Wallace, lucky he's short because his is also a low ceiling. It is obvious Mangini does not want Quinn under any circumstance but imagine the tough spot his intransigence has put Holmgren with the fans.
How could this blow up in Mike Holmgrens face? 1) Mangini has his scapegoat: Quinn gets traded, Puntious Pilate has clean hands 2) KC scarfs Quinn up and he excels with Weis and Wallace plays like the journeyman he is and Jake has his third year cut short with injury and bad play. 3) we finally install the kind of offense that plays on Quinns strengths, mobility, leadership, short passing, get him a new RT, a top TE and then we TRADE HIM? I just can't get my mind around this...I think Mangini does not want Quinn under any circumstance but Holmgren will not GIVE HIM AWAY, like Mangini did with Winslow and Edwards. Last I think teams are like Wolves waiting for the Browns to take any low pick or CUT Quinn and I don't think Holmgren will sit on a dagger to help Mangini to save face....I wonder if there is not some real POWER struggle going on in Berea where Mangini will NOT keep Quinn or play him and Holmgren will not give him away and have fans Howling when Quinn excels elsewhere.
There is a LOT more to this story than meets the eye. Stay tuned. I do not think Holmgren wants to cut or give away a barely tested fan favorite for a lowly pick and suffer the backlash should Quinn excel elsewhere. He has not spoken to Quinn, but Quinn knows he has many teams that would sign him so he is mum. But Mangini is as good as gone if Quinn is axed and plays well in another city and Holmgren having eaten the words" I really can't evaluate a QB unless I see two years of starts on film" will lose credibility with the fans. Quinn has support in a town from many fans , me included that want to see him get a fair shot and enough starts to see what we have. To release or accept a low pick for Brady Quinn and watch him excel with another Team when we have two mediocrities with new jersey names is NOT the way to instill faith in the long suffering fans.
Watson was an excellent signing, making our dufus OC learn the West Coast offense instead of the Tudor Electric Football offense is refreshing. Signing a solid LB to send one Eric " slow Mo' Barton into retirement is a positive. Signing a solid RT to replace the Mangini signing of John " Turnstiles" St. Clair is positive. Why dump Quinn when you are tooling an offense that highlights his skill set. I think Mangini is drawing a line in the sand and Holmgren will be held accountable if we give fan favorite( at least many fans) Quinn away and watch him excel elsewhere.
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I have a feeling you're going to hate their plan.
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Got rid of Quinn, for Delhomme. The same Delhomme who threw 8 touchdowns and 18 interceptions with Steve Smith and two 1000 yard backs. With that talent and he threw 8 touchdowns and 18 interceptions....
I'm leaning towards a trainwreck
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