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We have a 35 year old QB as a stop gap at best. Hell by the start of the season he might not even be starting.
We are going to be starting over at the QB position. We could have waited another year to give Quinn a chance. We didn't.
Maybe Quinn is too bad in the eyes of management?
Maybe they don't see him as a franchise type QB so they want a fresh start?
Maybe they think the damage of the QB drama over the past years can't be undone.
One thing we do know is there was no market for him. I don't care if everyone knew he was a goner in Cleveland someone would have offered us something decent if the had faith in him.
All bringing in Jake did was make it possible to unload Quinn now. I have heard different reports on Jake's contract but from what I gather he is being given nothing more then a chance to start again. Now if we would have traded anything for him I would have been worried.
You mention Quinn is a man the city could rally around ala Marino, and Montana. That would only have happened if he was of a very high caliber. Apparently not many in football seem to agree with you;
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running back Peyton Hillis
its a good thing the browns at least got a fullback because we needed help in that area?
a fullback, really?  now we have a fullback competition 
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thanks, man. i was tempted but would've been a waste.
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running back Peyton Hillis
its a good thing the browns at least got a fullback because we needed help in that area?
a fullback, really? now we have a fullback competition
As mentioned above, he's more of a RB, and he has good hands.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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he's going to be a runningback. i don't get why so many people are focusing on this. he runs the ball very well. mcdaniels obviously didn't use him in that capacity but that doesn't mean he doesn't have that skill.
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Lol, true believer to the end. He's gone, no point in picking fights.
I screamed when we traded Kosar, I screamed when Modell raped Cleveland, I screamed when Palmer put Couch in for Ty Detmer... screamed when Davis put Holcolm in for Couch, screamed ( and threw bottles) with the Jaguars terrible call.... and I guess I'm screaming now, and it sure as hell looks like that if I'm gonna remain a Browns fan (which of course I will)... I'm just gonna keep on screamin.
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Whatever position Hillis ends up playing one thing is for sure. He is a good football player.
In college he found his way onto the field even though Arkansas had Darren McFadden and Felix Jones. He returned kicks, played fullback, running back, tight end, and wide receiver.
In Denver he was a fullback until the starting running backs went down. Then he started at running back.
It seems this guy is a hard-working, versatile player. Just the kind of guy Mangini loves.
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i can agree with that! 
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(thought we might have a shot at the playoffs this year.... not now) tsk tsk
I'll bite ...
a) what made you think we had that shot?
and b) why on Earth would you think losing Quinn derailed that shot?
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Ok.. Ok.. I'm done pouting now... Y'all have a good night and we'll pick this up tomorrow.. prolly still screaming and cussing and getting deleted by good ole number seven. 
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he's going to be a runningback. i don't get why so many people are focusing on this. he runs the ball very well. mcdaniels obviously didn't use him in that capacity but that doesn't mean he doesn't have that skill.
I sure hope so.
Vickers is a RFA and I expect us to sign him to a long term deal. He is a great blocker. While he can also be called upon to do running and receiving duties, he is more of a regular FB, he is a great run blocker.
So yeah, I really hope this isn't spelling a trade or not resigning Vickers because I don't see why we wouldn't pick him up again.
Now if Hillis is being brought in as a RB, this prob means we aren't going to be looking to draft a RB anymore. As I said before, I'd love to go RT 1st round (Williams or Buluaga). Picking up a top-notch RT only makes our entire running game stronger no matter who is playing back there.
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Kamerion FREAKIN Wimbley ?
WIMBLEY???
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Actually, DA made the pro-bowl a couple years ago. So, yeah, they did get rid of a pro-bowler. 
Well yeah, that's true,,, but what's he done for us lately?
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With Peyton Hillis on board I think Lawrence Vickers is the next guy on his way out. No inside info, no stories read. Just a hunch.
I don't agree with that at all.. But, if by some chance you are right, at least he is someone we can get something worthwhile for..
Don't forget, we just tendered him at the 2nd round level..., What's that say?
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Fear not... if we do get rid of Vickers, I'm sure we can find a thirty five year old full back to replace him.
Now why in the hell would you make a comment like that,,
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Please Mr. Holmgren,
Tell me you traded Wimbley because you needed the third for leverage in order to trade up in the first for our real quarterback.
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-HAAAWWWWWW!!!!!!!!
Christmas in March, and I just got the best presents a Toad could ever have. 
In one fell swoop, Holmgren has ditched the two players I wanted to get rid of the most!
Man oh man...........Do I like this Holmgren fellow.
He brings me the WCO, but might leave me with the 3-4 that I prefer
He then dumps the bum Quinn AND sends the inferior Wimbley to the other coast.
Today..................was a good day. 
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You officially need a new sig again...Maybe you should put whoever you want the Browns to draft in there cause lately it seems your sig wishes have been coming true...
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D'oh..............Hadn't thought about that.
Winslow: GONE.
Edwards: GONE.
Quinn: GONE.
I never even had the chance to add Wimbley to my sig. 
Now...........I need just the right way to ask for Bradford..................
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D'oh..............Hadn't thought about that.
Winslow: GONE.
Edwards: GONE.
Quinn: GONE.
I never even had the chance to add Wimbley to my sig.
Now...........I need just the right way to ask for Bradford..................
Call me crazy but it seems we have 300 draft picks. Seriously last count was 13-14 I have a hard time believing we are going to be drafting 13-14 people. I honestly do think part of the reason we have some many picks is to try and trade up for Bradford.
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I don't know how possible or realistic Bradford is right now. I have a feeling we're going to add talent at other positions for the first two, maybe three rounds. QB may be a sit for a year or two project we take in the mid rounds. That seems ideal to me so we can just add more talent to the team. Next year's QB class is pretty darn good looking right now. As for Quinn, this is awesome. I took a recovery nap earlier this afternoon and woke up to see that Wimpley is gone for a 3rd rounder and we rid ourselves of the total SCAM that is Brady Quinn. That was nice to wake up to.  I'm not a homophobe by any measure, but it's good to know that the feminine hygiene product with the photograph of him in preppy clothes grabbing a dudes crotch and smiling is not the starting QB for my team.
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I dont understand these last two moves by the browns.
How do you not understand the Browns trading Quinn?
I dont understand bringing in Jake Delbum then trading Quinn for a FB when we have one of the league's best FB. I like Hillis as a player, dont get me wrong, just not seeing the logic behind it.
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Quinn may be in for an interesting situation. Joshie McD (age 33) is bringing his little brother (age 24) onboard as the quarterback coach. The younger McD had to give up his job as an assistant junior high school coach to take the job with Denver.
I think you will like Hillis. He is a throwback player. When he was the starting RB in 2008, he had one game against Miami in which he had more than 100 yards receiving and then had a game against the Jets in which he rushed for more than 100 yards. For some reason McD refused to use him. I seriously think it was because Moreno averaged less than 3.5 yards per carry with more than 25% of his carries for negative yards. McD could not afford to have a seventh round selection out perform his signature first round choice.
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With Peyton Hillis on board I think Lawrence Vickers is the next guy on his way out. No inside info, no stories read. Just a hunch.
I don't agree with that at all.. But, if by some chance you are right, at least he is someone we can get something worthwhile for..
Don't forget, we just tendered him at the 2nd round level..., What's that say?
As I said on page one...I think Vickers is on the outs if possible....
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I honestly do think part of the reason we have some many picks is to try and trade up for Bradford.
You gotta remember, we had 11 of those picks before discussin of Holmgren started... You gotta thank Mangini for that..
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There could be something to this Vickers on the outs thing. Lets not forget early in free agency we went after the Eagles fullback Weaver & he had a 2nd round tender. He was also one of those pass catching FB's that had the speed to run the ball like a running back. The Browns brass are definetely looking for a different type of full back for the new offense. Looks like we may have tendered Vickers to make sure we got something for him since he is a good FB. Or as insurance incase we couldn't get one we liked.
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I honestly do think part of the reason we have some many picks is to try and trade up for Bradford.
You gotta remember, we had 11 of those picks before discussin of Holmgren started... You gotta thank Mangini for that..
This may be the only reason Mangini is still around,....
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Just clicking on you Why do so many people think we're going to get rid of Vickers and keep Jennings? Vickers is an elite player at his position and Jennings looks like a third string back on his good days.
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I think they think that because of the type of FB they perceive him to be.. Apparently it is something other than what is used in a WCO...
That's the best answer I got for you ...
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We have a 35 year old QB as a stop gap at best. Hell by the start of the season he might not even be starting.
I don't see Delmonte starting..
We are going to be starting over at the QB position. We could have waited another year to give Quinn a chance. We didn't.
Maybe Quinn is too bad in the eyes of management?
Maybe they don't see him as a franchise type QB so they want a fresh start?
Maybe they think the damage of the QB drama over the past years can't be undone.
Yes to all three..for MH to come in and say what he said but never speak highly of Quinn was all you needed to know..he doesn't think Quinn was worth keeping and no way was BQ going to sit and be tutored for another year..but of course it had ton be our ole trading partner Denver..
But what I am suprised is there's more talk of the fullback coming in than Quinn going out.
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That really made me laugh. thanks
That's the first one that came to my head when I read the initials, but I made sense of it once I converted the BK to Kosar.  But was scratching my head for a minute on that, talk about going back a ways.
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D'oh..............Hadn't thought about that.
Winslow: GONE.
Edwards: GONE.
Quinn: GONE.
I never even had the chance to add Wimbley to my sig.
Now...........I need just the right way to ask for Bradford..................
What do they all have in common?
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Well yeah, that's true,,, but what's he done for us lately?
PLUS, DA only made the Pro Bowl after 3-4 QB's dropped out due to apathy....errr "injury".
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Nobody is surprised by this move. We all saw it coming. I do think both guys that we got rid of are better than some on here give them credit for. I think they can both be decent QB in the right situation. Only time will tell but I think BQ will be just fine. I think they got traded more just to clean house and get rid of all the back and forth. The only way to get rid of the QB carousel was to not have these guys on the team anymore. This way we have a clear cut starter and backup.
As for our current situation. I really hope we get Bradford because I don't like either guy we have now. 5 years ago Delhomme would have been a nice QB to have. Not now. And Wallace. You guys are fooling yourself if you think he is the long term answer.
The last thing I want is to draft Jimmy Clausen. We just traded a better version of him to Denver. The same exact qualities. Decent arm, Smart guy, Very inaccurate. I liked Quinn coming out of College more than Clausen even though I wasn't very high on him and wanted Thomas.
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Nobody is surprised by this move. We all saw it coming. I do think both guys that we got rid of are better than some on here give them credit for. I think they can both be decent QB in the right situation. Only time will tell but I think BQ will be just fine. I think they got traded more just to clean house and get rid of all the back and forth. The only way to get rid of the QB carousel was to not have these guys on the team anymore. This way we have a clear cut starter and backup.
As for our current situation. I really hope we get Bradford because I don't like either guy we have now. 5 years ago Delhomme would have been a nice QB to have. Not now. And Wallace. You guys are fooling yourself if you think he is the long term answer.
The last thing I want is to draft Jimmy Clausen. We just traded a better version of him to Denver. The same exact qualities. Decent arm, Smart guy, Very inaccurate. I liked Quinn coming out of College more than Clausen even though I wasn't very high on him and wanted Thomas.
I would have had to bounce around three different threads to say all that,....
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MH obviously thinks the Browns need a major upgrade. We are not just a few peices away. We are in full rebuild mode (yes, again and it will continue to be again until someone does it right).
I think the Browns are two drafts away from playoff contension. (This draft would be one, next year two). But that is with us building right, we draft guys that actually contribute and mix in a few FA that help as well.
That is a lot of if's but damn it our luck is bound to change at some point. I sure hope MH can turn this around.
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Another high-round pick - yet another significant investment - kicked to the curb. At one time Brady Quinn was a beacon of hope for us, but no longer. Glad I didn't spend $110 on the BQ jersey hanging at a local sporting good shop since last summer. Remember how enthralled many of us were with Phil Savage when he came over from Baltimore, and Romeo from NE? That turned out fabulously.  Oh well... on to the future. To borrow from Dave Letterman... Jake, next fall when you hear that sound... it won't be booing, it'll be "Jaaaaaaaaaaa-ke". Seriously.
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j/c.... I would think (hope?) that we will not be getting rid of Vickers. It is my understanding that the WCO makes frequent use of the FB position, so having two capable ones is kinda needed.
This is a good move, overall. Quinn's future was never here. I had thought that perhaps he might stay on, but his biggest problem is his accuracy and his indecisiveness in getting the ball to a route (he seems to wait for the receiver to get open rather than throwing to where the receiver should be getting open). Those two weaknesses do not translate well to our new offensive style (or any NFL offensive style).
Based on some words by Holmgren, I firmly believe that the job is Seneca's to lose. Holmgren (paraphrase): "We're kinda gonna treat him the way we handled Matt".
Holmgren brought in Hasselbeck when he went to Seattle and gave Hasselbeck every opportunity to take the job; and he stepped up and took it. I believe that our situation is the exact same, and Delhomme is the best of what is available to tide us through if Wallace doesn't pan out. I think that Toad can forget about Bradford, but perhaps someone in the 3rd or 4th round may be taken... especially now that we have multiple 3rds. Perhaps that LeFevour kid?
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