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Holmgren on OL Tony Pashos. "Tony is a big young man. My hope is he comes in and competes for that right tackle position."
Screw that Mike,...name him the starter, hold his feet to the fire, and if he steps off the coals, make him run The Marine Corps Obstacle Course four times, back-to-back-to-back-to-back,....
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I would never make it as a court reporter!  I'll look for a transcript
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Screw that Mike,...name him the starter, hold his feet to the fire, and if he steps off the coals, make him run The Marine Corps Obstacle Course four times, back-to-back,....
Holmgren made it very clear that everyone competes for a starting job.
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haha you got the job done though. i can't wait for a transcript.
usually, the orange and brown blog by theobr.com has it first but this site doesn't let you link to them because it's a blog.
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I am NOT calling you out,...
Mack ?
Thomas?
Cribbs?
Rogers?
Pontbriand?
Dawson?
Zastudil (?) ?
Yes, the politically correct thing to tell the "boys" is they all have to compete. Like they don't know that,..the professionals won't have to be told, although I agree with you, they have to continue to perform at high levels.
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Holmgren on OL Tony Pashos. "Tony is a big young man. My hope is he comes in and competes for that right tackle position."
Screw that Mike,...name him the starter, hold his feet to the fire, and if he steps off the coals, make him run The Marine Corps Obstacle Course four times, back-to-back-to-back-to-back,....
Mangini names the starters.
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40% sales tax?? or everything combined?
Everything combined. I was just trying to be funny yet serious. 
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Arm strength certainly isn't dead last.
It is on that short list he gave... it's not dead last in evaluating a QB overall but given the short list of ...
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2. ability to read a defense
3. leadership
Dead last - arm strength.
Yep, arm strength is dead last on that list... as it should be.
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Don't worry about a transcript, it will be on the net within a couple hours..But also, that Presser will be on the main page shortly also.
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Everything combined. I was just trying to be funny yet serious.
haha i feel your pain. in socal, we get taxed for the sun. man, can you imagine a 40% sales tax? lol.
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I liked when Mary Kay asked Holmgren if he'd consider moving up in the draft to take a QB.
Holmgren said "yes, I would consider it. But, to be clear, I'd consider a lot of things. You just asked if I'd consider it for a QB."
I like that answer. What's Holmgren going to say? "No, we definitely will not ever consider moving up in the draft."
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Screw that Mike,...name him the starter, hold his feet to the fire, and if he steps off the coals, make him run The Marine Corps Obstacle Course four times, back-to-back-to-back-to-back,....
Mangini names the starters.
Then anybody who beats Mangini on the O' Course, should start.
Wait a minute,....he probably couldn't beat me,....(and nobody wants me to start,...) 
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Not really all that bad in Ms. 
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Arm strength certainly isn't dead last
IMO it is dead last.
Arm strength is WAY overated. Not that it dosent matter...just the others are WAY more important.
Arm strength is the cherry on top.
Arm strength is important .... in fact it's very important .... however, many people interpret arm strength as rearing back and throwing the ball 80 yards in the air ... and that's not the strength that we are interested in.
Arm strength allows a QB to make plays across the field .... to hit the outs with authority ... and to get the ball into a smaller window.
Top QBs have this type of arm strength. A good QB with a fair arm will be good. A good QB with a plus arm can be great.
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Out of the list that the original poster listed....Its DEAD last.
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Arm strength certainly isn't dead last
IMO it is dead last.
Arm strength is WAY overated. Not that it dosent matter...just the others are WAY more important.
Arm strength is the cherry on top.
Arm strength is important .... in fact it's very important .... however, many people interpret arm strength as rearing back and throwing the ball 80 yards in the air ... and that's not the strength that we are interested in.
Arm strength allows a QB to make plays across the field .... to hit the outs with authority ... and to get the ball into a smaller window.
Top QBs have this type of arm strength. A good QB with a fair arm will be good. A good QB with a plus arm can be great.
Accuracy includes getting the ball in tight windows. If you have the smarts to know where the window will be and the accuracy to get it there, you don't need to be throwing bullets.
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Not really .... because, outside of accuracy, most other parts of playing QB can be learned and developed.
I could study .... practice .... learn everything there is to now about every defense .... every team ..... and every possible play ..... I could be the smartest and best prepared QB on the face of the Earth .... and I would still not be a great QB because my arm would fall apart trying to hit 15 yard outs with authority.
By the time a guy hits the NFL his upside as far as "arm" is pretty well established. For the most part, a guy will be strongest at the start of his career, and work his way down the scale the older (and more beat up ...and used up) he gets.
A QB really needs 3 things to succeed on a pass play: (on his end of things)
He needs to see and comprehend what is happening on the field, and find the correct receiver.
He needs to accurately deliver the ball to his intended receiver.
He needs to get the ball to the receiver before the defender can make a play on the ball.
I could find the right receiver ..... make an accurate pass .... but if the ball gets there after the defender gets in position to make a play ..... well .... it's probably incomplete or a pick 6. That's the arm strength I contend that elite QBs must have. They must be able to make every throw, and do so with authority.
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I know what you are saying and maybe you would have to read all the posts especially the original to understand why we are saying arm strength is last when compared. I and others are not saying arm strength is of no importance but that we as fans and in the past recruiters get all hung up on whether or not a guy has a strong arm. It should read "strong enough arm" . When i evaluate a qb (especially once he is NFL caliper...NO i aint a scout) you know he has the arm strength (most do) i look to his ability to identify situations and coverages. when he excells in that i like to see does he have pocket presence and good feet. In other words...Does he move in the pocket well enough to get the ball out at the right time to the right player. If all these look good and the majority of the time if he can do all these things right...his arm is usually (not always) "strong enough" I guess thats where the rubber meets the road. IMO,,,when you look at arm strenght first you tend to overlook all the others and get wrapped up in his strength and or athletic ability. It has proven MANY times.
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Does anyone else find it odd that one of the conditional picks for BQ is clear out to 2012?
So we go through two drafts before getting that pick? We go through two seasons before seeing what we get?
I am not complaining about the trade or what we got...I just find it very odd that the conditional pick likely won't be determined until two full seasons pass.
I will be anxious to hear the conditions of the conditional pick.
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Does anyone else find it odd that one of the conditional picks for BQ is clear out to 2012?
So we go through two drafts before getting that pick? We go through two seasons before seeing what we get?
I am not complaining about the trade or what we got...I just find it very odd that the conditional pick likely won't be determined until two full seasons pass.
I will be anxious to hear the conditions of the conditional pick.
We get a 6th for him next year .. and then we see what we have to refund back to the Broncos the follow .... Oh .. that's not the trade ..?
The Browns probably felt that they have enough picks in this year's draft ..... and so should get 1 next year .... and then protect themselves in the unlikely even that Quinn is actually able to make something out of himself in Denver in the next 2 years.
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Screw that Mike,...name him the starter, hold his feet to the fire, and if he steps off the coals, make him run The Marine Corps Obstacle Course four times, back-to-back-to-back-to-back,....
Pashos will be the answer at RT.
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i've been thinking about this.
on the down side, we don't get a pick this year, where i consider each round after the 2nd to be almost another round higher due to the influx of young talent (meaning this year's 4th round might be like other year's 3rd round).
on the plus side, we do get a pick in 2011, and a conditional pick in 2012. the condition is probably related to how much play time he gets so this gives him a couple years to develop into a starter for the broncos. if he plays well in the 2011 season, we might get a decent pick for the 2012 draft. that's my hope, at least.
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Screw that Mike,...name him the starter, hold his feet to the fire, and if he steps off the coals, make him run The Marine Corps Obstacle Course four times, back-to-back-to-back-to-back,....
Pashos will be the answer at RT.
As long as the question isn't "who is just as incompetent as St. Claire on the O line this year?"
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Does anyone else find it odd that one of the conditional picks for BQ is clear out to 2012?
So we go through two drafts before getting that pick? We go through two seasons before seeing what we get?
I am not complaining about the trade or what we got...I just find it very odd that the conditional pick likely won't be determined until two full seasons pass.
I will be anxious to hear the conditions of the conditional pick.
We get a 6th for him next year .. and then we see what we have to refund back to the Broncos the follow .... Oh .. that's not the trade ..?
The Browns probably felt that they have enough picks in this year's draft ..... and so should get 1 next year .... and then protect themselves in the unlikely even that Quinn is actually able to make something out of himself in Denver in the next 2 years.
I like the logic.
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I think that arm strength is 1 part of the puzzle.
It cannot be relegated to last place automatically though.
1 thing that has always allowed a QB like Brett Favre to be successful is his ability to operate in smaller windows because of his arm strength.
There are definitely other things that come into play. I heard a talking head worrying about Bradford's leadership ability since he rarely huddled up. This could be a valid concern.
In tthe end, a 1st round QB has to have enough of the plus traits to offset the potential downsides.
I do know that if I have to guys with equal leadership abilities .... equal accuracy ... equal mobility, ...... etc .... but 1 guy has a rocket for an arm ... that's probably the guy I'm more interested in seeing join my team.
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Over on the Browns Website.. todays presser is up and veiwable...
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Samll story short,...you're right,...he can do more in a smaller area with a cannon.
However Kosar had NO such cannon, and was THE smartest QB the NFL has ever seen.
And THAT's why dorkburger Belichick gave him the circular file treatment.
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thanks daman. the first minute was great and telling. holmgren started and then said all the decisions were made by heckert. some of them, jokingly, they don't know a lot or even know why certain moves were made. heckert is deciding these personel moves. then holmgren goes on and says direct any questions to eric on the team and how players fit. any formation or FO stuff, holmgren will try to answer.
i have real believe that mangini isn't on just a token year.
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Did anyone hear a prior announcement that Holmgren was going to have a presser today?
I didn't see anything on the Browns website, saying Holmgren would be having a presser today.
Just curious if anyone heard anything ahead of time?
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Yeah, it was in the Plain Dealer and in particular in a Grossi Article. Also announced on WMMS onces and on the Noon News on Channel 3..
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he had the reporters eating out of his hands with that opening to the presser..
Pretty funny and very much in keeping with his rather cool exterior,
Holmgren reminds me like a duck.. all calm on the surface, but below the water line, his feet are going 150 MPH.....LOL
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some presser notes:
DA was first due to timing of roster bonus.
knew changes were gonna be made at qb.
wanted a vet to provide stability, by himself, to the position.
holmgren doesn't care about avoiding controversy. it's always there so whoever is on the roster, there's going to be a heck of a competition.
qb timetable? holmgren says he doesn't want to talk about it because that's what they went through last year. pointing to the futility of it all. voiced a lot of confidence in wallace but also said jake, physically, is really fine despite being 35, though long term is naturally a concern.
how did they decide on quinn not being the guy despite 12 games? he says it wasn't fair and 12 games isn't enough but you should have a good idea as a coaching staff as to where things are headed. sometimes you need to make a decision on a direction.
been very active on phones for trades for players. other teams came to us about kam. mangini likes the depth at OLB so the 3rd round pick helped address other needs. whether that pick is for a position or to move around in the draft.
focusing on where a player was drafted prior to holmgren getting there holds no weight to holmgren. obviously not getting same value as where drafted but it happens. on quinn, he may not have been moved had we not been about to pull off wallace and delhomme. MH absoultely wanted to avoid going into training camp with the uncertainty that we went into last season. "not healthy for the team."
bringing in career backup and an old qb with his worst year. how is that better? the career backup played for holmgren so MH knows him better than anyone else. he is a potential starter. yea he was a backup but he was a backup to a pro bowl starter. "career backup" is not a justifiable phrase. with aging vet, MH believes team needs an aging vet, who can grab people by the throat, through a door. leader that MH wanted in the locker room, IF he's the starter.
when MH talked to jake extensively about the last year, jake was very candid and open about what happened. after it, MH felt it could work. there was no physical reasonl if there was, you probably don't do it because you can't overcome it. "we have a fine coach and a fine staff, and i have every confidence they're going to make that work. i have a lot of confidence in that guy. how long is he going to play? how many years did we sign him to? two? you paint the picture yourself as to what we're going to do but for THIS season, we have a good combination."
watching film, it looked like the qbs were struggling. when qbs played like they played, forgetting reasons why, it's hard to win games.
MH made promise to mangini when he first got there: he'll never give mangini a player he doesn't want.
al davis wouldn't give the 1st 3rd round pick. trusnik tendered at 2nd round. are they saying trusnik better than wimbley? mangini: it's opportunity so not saying one is better but a trade is what is available/options. with trusnik, that's tied to this being an uncapped year, so not saying trusnik is a 2nd rounder, just that they're two diff situations. if they felt they could get more for kam, they would've.
height issue on wallace? drew brees settled some of that for everyone. it is an issue at times but his experience, guys are good who aren't as tall, they've learned to see in the pocket. either by moving, seeing lanes, and most can move well.didn't appear that was a major problem with seneca, he had pretty good vision down the field. "explosive" runner.
MH will ask mangini to get a qb ever year. maybe in the 6th round or something. the guy needs to be a good fit for them, even if he's not that highly rated. mangini's philosophy somewhat based on the one in green bay. always good business to have multiple qbs around.
the MH likes sam bradford a lot thing is overblown.
mangini likes hillis as tailback. had 126 yards against mangini's jets. use him with vickers to get bigger. use hillis as fullback with harrison and both are good catching out of backfield. many good ways to mix him in, as adding versatility when thinking about the 45 man roster.
they have a couple other things they're working on, as far as trades go.
restricted free agents and offer sheets? pool is bigger, they're not taking off the table...hesitates, not anticipating much more being doing this year than other years.
holmgren wants a speed wr. our guys are fast but wants one that scares people.
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Isn't Jerry Rice retired,...??
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I think he might be talking the draft.
Besides...there are none in FA. Maybe after the June cuts but not now.
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of note from the end, wallace had 11 TDs and 3 INTs playing for a team where all the starting o-line, many of their receivers on IR. they were in every game. it was about as gratifying a year as MH had in the business because they were clearly overmatched and they won 2 of the last 3 games. that's what he remembers of seneca.
"he can flat out pass the ball well. he goes 'i'll do anything you want me to do'"
qbs will win the game, not manage the game.
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As far as the draft types,...With all of the focus on defense and QB's,...I truly do not know,...outside of Dez "walking time bomb" Bryant.
FA's -- ?? I am speechless -- I thought they all went to Cincy with OlxKoStinkoMo, or, Baltimore.
My brother told me on the phone that Randle El had gone back to Pitt,...is this true ??
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