DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum OK, I may be stating the obvious...

but Holmgren isn't our coach.

So my question is: why does everyone comment on the boards and on the radio about his ability and history on grooming QBs?

Won't he be too busy in the FO to go down and coach?

Or am I missing something here?

He has said that Mangini asked him to get involved with the QB's, so he will.

I have heard more Holmgren this offseason than Mangini..

I think Holmgren is out there answering the questions because he's done it before and it takes pressure off both Heckert and Mangini. We all know dealing with the media wasn't always Mangini's strongest attribute.

He's gonna get all the praise now.. but if we start losing.. it will be Mangini's fault..


Same ol' same ol'... just a different day.

the dust is still settling

He is definitely not coaching, but if anyone thinks that he will not be involved, at some level (particularly with the QB's, they're crazy.

after all these moves we have draft picks?

you mean selecting from a talent pool? pardon me if not excited over more "draft picks"

we have more draft picks, yay, that means we should be good in a few years.

fool me once shame on me, fool me twice, im pissed

I'm glad somebody brought this up. I can see why people (myself included) are confused regarding the heiarchy of this team.

Here's my opinion: Holmgren has heavy if not all input on offensive personnel decisions. Holmgren controls everything that has to do with our offense. Holmgren has orchestrated all of our offensive FA acquisitions so far. For draft day, Holmgren will probably tell Heckert the type of players the Browns need. He'll probably tell him that the offense needs wr's and o-tackles. He then may tell Heckert what he wants as far as size, speed, etc.

Now defense is a different story. Here, I think Holmgren told Heckert to confer with Mangini and other defensive leadership personnel, to discuss the needs of the defense, and the sort of players that are needed to fill the holes.

To take this one step further, again, this is just my opinion. I think Holmgren feels that this offense has a lot of what it needs to compete. I think that he made the decision to address offensive needs via free agency/trades. - Hence the signings of Pashos, Delhomme, Wallace, and Watson. I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns announce the signing of wide receiver in a couple days.
Completing the offense through free agency is one part of Holmgren's strategy. The next part is to build the defense through the draft. - I feel that at least 80% of our draft picks will be on defensive players. - I don't know if we will be addressing specific positions, or if we will take best defensive player available in each round. Figure that we have some good d lineman already, and that's about all. - This tells me that we will take the best db/lb available in round 1, and then again in round 2 we will again take best db/lb available. Rounds 3 and 4 may be more of the same.

I'm thinking they take a DB in 1 a QB in 2 and a WR in 3 OL in 3 and LBs and DL they rest of the way. JMHO

Suspect he has forgotten more than Daboll knows about offense. And he has developed some successful QBs. Not just the skill part, not just the talent part, but also some of the chemistry, which can be crucial on the team with its leader, and also within the organization. It would seem wise to listen to your betters, and I am glad he can spread stuff around. Sound kind of bugged by the process; as for me, not at all upsetting. It is uplifting after suffering since 19freekin'ninety nine, so I don't care who makes us stronger. This is probably as good a fit as we could assemble. Make way for a strong draft and trades.

Hmmm, I'm still not sure I get the idea. If he's going to teach Daboll, who will instruct the QBs, isn't this still him NOT doing the day to day stuff that got him a Favre and a Montana, et al?

That depends on whether you think Montana and Favre were made into the QBs they are by Holmgren or if you believe they had a ton of untapped talent that Holmgren saw and others didn't and he just put them in a good situation to bring that out...

I tend to believe it's the latter. If MH could make filet out of groundbeef then we would have kept Quinn who had all the tools and MH could have just molded him... but MH is looking for a different kind of QB... and I think that is the basis for what we've seen so far, MH knows he doesn't have the right QB on the roster yet and I'm thinking he doesn't even see the right one on the radar in the draft or anywhere else.. so he is biding his time...

Good explanation DC. thanks