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I don't like this move at all. Say what you want but this will come back to haunt us...
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I don't like this move at all. Say what you want but this will come back to haunt us...
I just don't get it.
It's clear that I have a somewhat irrational dislike of Quinn ... but I've got to ask those who have an irrational fondness for him ... what is it?
The little kid in the Hutch uniform? The local ties? The good looks? A 'gut' feeling?
Honestly ... what is it that makes people get upset and say things like 'this will come back to haunt us'?
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I know you are an old dirt, like me,....
Have to get past it,...
I have,...
It's all you can do.
Really,...who actually has come back for "a haunt ?"
Bobby Mitchell,...? Nah,...he never won anything with the Redskins.
Paul Warfield ? Maybe,...he was on the 72 Dolphins team whose ONLY close game that year was their playoff vs. The Browns.
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Really,...who actually has come back for "a haunt ?"
In the new era ... I really can't think of anyone.
Quinn won't be the exception, either.
I always thought Wimbley could end up in a system where he could rack up 10-12 sacks a year by simply being there ... but Oakland certainly isn't that place.
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It's clear that I have a somewhat irrational dislike of Quinn ... but I've got to ask those who have an irrational fondness for him ... what is it?
I like Quinn,,he's a class act. But even I have to ask what is up with people that don't like this deal.., it's irrational.. Quinn didn't do a thing to inspire confidence... Couldn't beat out Frye his first year.. and you'd think that if he was ALL THAT and a Bag of Chips, that would have been an easy task..
Couldn't beat out Anderson until barely doing so this past year, and then he loses the job to him only to regain the job and get injured,, Again....
Now Quinn seems like a hell of a kid,,, I got nothing against him.. The way he handled the trade was incredible. He's a classy guy and I'd have loved for it to work out for him,.
That old saying,, Cream rises to the top.... well, I'm sorry to report that Quinn couldn't get up off the chair much less rise to the top of anything...
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After last season I lost confidence he could be our future leader but I can't say I'm enamored with what we got for him. His contract was cheap enough to hang onto the guy until someone was hurt this next season and trade him off to them, we could have done better for ourselves, I feel anyway. If no one got hurt and he sat on the bench for another year for 700K, not a bad price for a 2nd or 3rd qb.
As Damon mentioned, the guy is a class act regardless of how well that transfers to field and I just don't believe he would have become a cancer sitting on our bench.
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I've watched Quinn play since High School here in Columbus. I think he is much better than he has "had the opportunity" to prove. There's no man crush, no homerism... just think he has had a raw deal in Cleveland.
Now had we given him a FULL year last year with no DA switches and he did not turn it around I would have been one of the first to say it's time for him to go. BUT considering the state of the team, the FO and coaching last year AND taking into consideration the downward spiral of the first 11 games I seriously don't know what we could have seen from a virtual rookie.
So, I'm not crying over spilled milk BUT I do fully anticipate Quinn to come out of his shell in Denver THIS YEAR and be a top flight QB for years to come. I feel we just gave them a franchise QB for nada, zip... zilch.
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It's clear that I have a somewhat irrational dislike of Quinn ... but I've got to ask those who have an irrational fondness for him ... what is it?
I like Quinn,,he's a class act. But even I have to ask what is up with people that don't like this deal.., it's irrational.. Quinn didn't do a thing to inspire confidence... Couldn't beat out Frye his first year.. and you'd think that if he was ALL THAT and a Bag of Chips, that would have been an easy task..
Couldn't beat out Anderson until barely doing so this past year, and then he loses the job to him only to regain the job and get injured,, Again....
Now Quinn seems like a hell of a kid,,, I got nothing against him.. The way he handled the trade was incredible. He's a classy guy and I'd have loved for it to work out for him,.
That old saying,, Cream rises to the top.... well, I'm sorry to report that Quinn couldn't get up off the chair much less rise to the top of anything...
I'll tell you exactly what is it,....and I have PM'ed this theory amongst some of my closest confidants here,...
He went to Notre Dame.
Nobody wants to admit it, but that's why they don't "like" him. All lack of football skills aside, if this kid had went to Ohio State or Michigan, he'd be the victim of first degree rape.
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Honestly ... what is it that makes people get upset and say things like 'this will come back to haunt us'?
I feel we didn't get to see quite enough of him. What...12 or so starts? Yes, when we did see him, he mostly sucked. But, who's to say that he won't settle down and get his head together? I think the Browns played too many head games with both he and DA and that messed with them. With Mangini's QB teeter-totter from the past couple seasons, who would have (or should have) felt comfortable and confident?
There's more...like each QB feeling confident with the guys surrounding them, etc., etc. Not really worth going over at this point in time, but still a concern I had all during the teeter-totter. I wanted him to pick a guy and STAY WITH HIM. You've got to let your qb gel...and I don't feel we did that.
Doesn't matter, though. I just hope Quinn does well in Denver and gathers himself together to play good ball.
And, IMO, he isn't good looking.
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" if this kid had went to Ohio State or Michigan, he'd be the victim of first degree rape."
I thought Rothlessburger went to Miami of Ohio.
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I've watched Quinn play since High School here in Columbus. I think he is much better than he has "had the opportunity" to prove.
See, this is where I differ from other people that wanted Quinn to succeed (which I did and do)..
You aren't GIVEN the opportunity to prove anything. You are given the chance to beat all comers.. and he couldn't do that.
I'll give him the first year.. but for 08, Anderson wasn't GIVEN the job. He had to beat Quinn, and as sad as this is, he did that. Quinn, if he were all that, should have beat DA out for the job,,and he didn't..or more importantly,, he couldn't.,,,,,
So while it pains me more than you know,,,I just don't think this was a bad idea to trade him..
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I don't think 12 games is fair either. Heck, it's reported Holmgren said so, too. Thing is, BQ is not accurate downfield, sometimes terribly so... he showed that too many times to not consider it an expectation.
Worse than anything, our QB situation is unexciting, in other words, boring... it's like Dilfer and CF, once we knew Frye had a noodle arm. Hell, speaking of him I'd almost take Frye right now, over Delhomme. Maybe Jake or Seneca will shock us... I hope so, but I doubt it.
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You aren't GIVEN the opportunity to prove anything. You are given the chance to beat all comers.. and he couldn't do that.
So, why doesn't every team switch QB's willy nilly when one is sucking?
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but for 08, Anderson wasn't GIVEN the job.
yes he was. Savage virtually named him the starter when he gave him (very) stupid money.
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Thing is, BQ is not accurate downfield, sometimes terribly so... he showed that too many times to not consider it an expectation.
Not that this is worth the effort to debate or discuss any longer, but I will because there's not much else happening right now....
I've seen plenty of VERY good qb's miss down field throws by a TON. I just think every qb can screw up once in a while. And, given that we didn't get to see Quinn throw down field all that often, how can we say without a doubt that he is not accurate? I find that to be a very unfair statement.
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I'll give him the first year.. but for 08, Anderson wasn't GIVEN the job. He had to beat Quinn, and as sad as this is, he did that.
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
They paid DA for the 07 season and RAC and PHIL were in love with him. Quinn didn't have a chance to start at that point. He could have been Peyton Manning in camp but DA was getting the nod.
Then RAC was shown the Door after he acknowledged he would start Quinn in 09 and the whole competition started again. ONE BIG CIRCLE JERK.
He's gone... I'm still a Browns fan... BUT this will prove to be a bad move. IMHO
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He went to Notre Dame.
Nobody wants to admit it, but that's why they don't "like" him. All lack of football skills aside, if this kid had went to Ohio State or Michigan, he'd be the victim of first degree rape.
Just my honest opinion.
And anybody who didn't rip on him just because of OSU ties would get called out about it. It goes both ways.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I've watched Quinn play since High School here in Columbus. I think he is much better than he has "had the opportunity" to prove. There's no man crush, no homerism... just think he has had a raw deal in Cleveland.
Now had we given him a FULL year last year with no DA switches and he did not turn it around I would have been one of the first to say it's time for him to go. BUT considering the state of the team, the FO and coaching last year AND taking into consideration the downward spiral of the first 11 games I seriously don't know what we could have seen from a virtual rookie.
So, I'm not crying over spilled milk BUT I do fully anticipate Quinn to come out of his shell in Denver THIS YEAR and be a top flight QB for years to come. I feel we just gave them a franchise QB for nada, zip... zilch.
I wanted Brady succeed here. I really did.
Brady can't throw any sort of a deep ball. He just isn't an NFL qb. He doesn't have to throw it 80 yards downfield (we saw how just a long arm can translate into failure - Russell and even DA)...he just has to be able to complete a deep ball now and again. He had to led the league in balls over 30 yards landing out of bounce.
Unless there was some underlying reason - a foot, knee or elbow issue - I just don't see him every gaining that ability.
I don't think we got for him what we should have but the distraction of that white elephant in the room is sometimes worth more than any future draft pick.
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I'll give him the first year.. but for 08, Anderson wasn't GIVEN the job. He had to beat Quinn, and as sad as this is, he did that.
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
They paid DA for the 07 season and RAC and PHIL were in love with him. Quinn didn't have a chance to start at that point. He could have been Peyton Manning in camp but DA was getting the nod.
Then RAC was shown the Door after he acknowledged he would start Quinn in 09 and the whole competition started again. ONE BIG CIRCLE JERK.
He's gone... I'm still a Browns fan... BUT this will prove to be a bad move. IMHO
It's already been pointed out he didn't work well with teammates. It's already been shown he couldn't beat out anderson when frye got traded. He didn't show what he needed to: practice, leadership, and execution.
This whole "he didn't get a chance" whine is why he got traded. The BQ fan club would of never let mangini and his coaches start anybody over him. They where the ones calling for dabol's and Mangini's head. They kept saying it was the fault of the OL, it was the fault of the receivers. It's already been pointed out in one of these threads even Bernie even said the QBs (BOTH OF THEM) couldn't hit receivers that were open.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I find that to be a very unfair statement.
That's cool. I don't wanna go on and on about this either,,, no point in that.
But watch guys like Manning, Tom Brady, Brees, and a host of 'lesser' QBs who are still average to above-average. They are FAR more accurate than Brady. BQ isn't much more accurate than DA in my opinion.
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Are we having a discussion here or are we implying that other posters are dumb? 
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What makes me shake my head is that people expect that Quinn is somehow going to become a great QB ...... Despite the fact that the best freakin' offer the Browns could get for him was a 6th next year, a FB taken in the 7th a couple of years ago... and a conditional pick 3 drafts from now. If Quinn was all that, you would think that at least 1 other personnel guy would say ... "Hey. if we throw a 5th the Browns way we can probably get our franchise QB!". "A 3rd or 4th would seal the deal! Let's make that call right now!!!!". The best deal was a FB, a 6th next year, and a conditional pick a few drafts down the road. Brady Quinn looks the part of an NFL QB right up to the moment the ball is snapped. Then the mirage fades, and harsh reality sets in. The kid played even worse than Charlie Frye. Hell .. at least Frye could hit 60% of his 3-5 yarders .... 
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The only guy on this Board that is a bigger backer of Quinn -- in the sense that he got the royal screw here -- doesn't even show his face. And I'm not calling Diam out on this,...just stating the fact,...
However my concern, as has been expressed in many various ways, is NOT Quinn, but now having to pick a QB for "the future" with all of this defensive talent on the board.
I only post here to agree with the point that Quinn put the first shovel in the gravehole by holding out. THAT was NOT the sign of "I-grew-up-a-Browns-fan-and-here-is-my-pajamas-photo-to-prove-it;" as in comparison to Kosar, who, from The Mahoning Valley, did everything Satanly possible to make sure he ended up in Cleveland, to include manipulating his graduation date.
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They are FAR more accurate than Brady.
Yes, they are. But, where they in their first 12 starts? Does this take in to account the receivers dropping balls that hit them in the numbers?
Just asking because I don't know or care to go look up a million stats. I honestly don't have a clue if Quinn will ever be worth more than what we traded him for. I just feel that he didn't get a fair enough shake in Cleveland. Not the end of the world.
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Are we having a discussion here or are we implying that other posters are dumb?
I don't know where you got that from. I was simply debating. I was listing the reasons why I think he did get a fair chance.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I dunno, from lumping everyone together as his "fan club" perhaps. There are more than two camps and I guess I just get tired of being put in to one or the other because of having a discussion.
I was on the fence with Quinn as far as the future was concerned -- still am. Not ready to say he'll be a career backup but also not ready to say he's got "it".
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I'm sorry Michelle, but it is over, and I have accepted it. I hope he burns in professional hell. My nightmares tell me different though. Last night he brought the Broncos back from TWO TD's down to beat us in a playoff game. I don't think he has the talent, and I wasn't even sleeping,.... 
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I dunno, from lumping everyone together as his "fan club" perhaps. There are more than two camps and I guess I just get tired of being put in to one or the other because of having a discussion.
I was on the fence with Quinn as far as the future was concerned -- still am. Not ready to say he'll be a career backup but also not ready to say he's got "it".
I was more referring to the folks who make all the excuses for him and won't acknowlege anything bad. The folks who blame everybody else.
I do wish Quinn well. I just don't feel it was fair that the other players and the coaching staff got all the blame when he tanked.
Being a fan of a player isn't a big deal. hell, I'll still be a fan of Hank. It's when the player becomes larger then the team is when bad things happen.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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LOL! What a nightmare to have.  And, Homer...I get it. Thanks.
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I don't like this move at all. Say what you want but this will come back to haunt us...
I just don't get it.
It's clear that I have a somewhat irrational dislike of Quinn ... but I've got to ask those who have an irrational fondness for him ... what is it?
The little kid in the Hutch uniform? The local ties? The good looks? A 'gut' feeling?
Honestly ... what is it that makes people get upset and say things like 'this will come back to haunt us'?
Because the law of averages says it will eventually happen. 
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Both sides have no basis for their argument.
Why will BQ be a good QB in the NFL? Because he never had his shot!
Why won't BQ be a good QB in the NFL? Because he already got his shot!
It's obvious which way BQ is trending though. Being the backup to Orton is probably not a good sign either. But some people won't be convinced until they are hit over the head with it so just wait, I suppose.
you had a good run Hank.
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I don't like this move at all. Say what you want but this will come back to haunt us...
I just don't get it.
It's clear that I have a somewhat irrational dislike of Quinn ... but I've got to ask those who have an irrational fondness for him ... what is it?
The little kid in the Hutch uniform? The local ties? The good looks? A 'gut' feeling?
Honestly ... what is it that makes people get upset and say things like 'this will come back to haunt us'?
Because the law of averages says it will eventually happen.
Well, that's what I was pointing out earlier,....the law of averages says -- NOT.
And all I could come up with that meant anything was Paul Warfield, 38 years ago.
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I'll tell you exactly what is it,....and I have PM'ed this theory amongst some of my closest confidants here,...
He went to Notre Dame.
Nobody wants to admit it, but that's why they don't "like" him. All lack of football skills aside, if this kid had went to Ohio State or Michigan, he'd be the victim of first degree rape.
Just my honest opinion.
Quite possible, OoooRah... and I'll give you credit for publically stating your honest opinion... but you give some of us (perhaps many of us) more credit than we deserve.
I don't follow college ball at all, unless it's my BG Falcons and a couple other MAC teams. I never knew anything about Brady Quinn beyond what was pumped at me during the months leading up to his draft. Until late Winter of that season, I didn't even know he played for ND.
I don't care any more about ND than I do TOSU... I didn't go there, didn't hang their sheepskin on my wall, and couldn't care less about ANY of their players until they strap on a logo-less orange helmet.
So, you see... I watched Brady Quinn with no slant, bias or expectations. I saw a guy who couldn't distinguish himself from Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson... and it seems that he didn't show any more than that to two different coaching staffs and FO's as well.
Kid had 3/4 of a season to show me something... and all I saw was one 300+ game against the Lions and a handful of picture-perfect plays. I saw short passes that were as inaccurate as any DA threw, I saw 40-yard bombs that sailed 4-8 yards out of bounds, and I saw countless checkdowns into dumpoffs when the go-to receiver was just getting free. That body of work just ain't enough to make me a True Believer, yo.
We can talk all we want about what a "fair shot" might have been for BQ, but that's all subjective postulation. What the kid showed during games is what got evaluated by Holmy & Co... and he showed just enough to land himself in Colorado for a part-time RB and a couple of compensatory picks. About right, based on the quality of his performance.
So... while your characterization might fit many posters here s DT, it most certainly doesn't apply to me... and I trust that many others evaluated Brady from the exact same vantage point as I did.
Some of us were niether coddlers or hayterz... we simply came, saw.... and left unimpressed. Nothing more/nothing less.
...and that, my esteemed colleague, is just my honest opinion.
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Yes, they are. But, where they in their first 12 starts?
I expect a 1st round QB to take over a team an never give it back. Quinn had 3 years to impress coaches, prove he was the best QB on the team, and take over the offense as his own. He did none of these. Did he have problems with WRs? Yes. Did he constantly hit them in stride? No. Did he make everyone forget anderson? No. Were fans discussing giving Ratliff and Cribbs a shot at QB? Yes.
The QB is supposed to be the leader of the offense and the team. Quinn led the offense, but no one seemed confident in him. The offense hasn't improved above the 30s in two years. It's time for a change.
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Thank you for sharing your feelings, but why did you quote my comment then not even come close to answering it?
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Like I said,...all lack of football skills aside.
I didn't want to draft him at all.
But that doesn't mean he didn't get a fair shot,...and as you said THAT is subjective to us all. He could have done better.
Again MY problem is not "goodbye Quinn,".... MY problem is we're back to Square One in this year's draft -- and I'm not saying it's GOING to happen, just fearful that it might -- we're possibly going to squander away another # 1 pick on a QB, with, at a MINIMUM, the following talent on the board,....
Mays
Spikes
McClain
McCoy
Suh
Berry
Thomas
Haden
That's eight dudes.
We pick seventh,...there isn't ONE of those kids that I think wouldn't do more for this team next year on defense that I would trade for what I "hope" Jake Frickin Delhomme is gonna do on offense.
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Thank you for sharing your feelings, but why did you quote my comment then not even come close to answering it?
To directly answer that question, it's a rare thing to see a 1st round QB getting traded after only 12 starts. So rare that I can't remember it ever happening. What I tried to state earlier is that Quinn has shown none of the qualities you want from a QB to run your offense. I don't think another 12 starts is going to show any better. Maybe he will prosper somewhere else, but I don't see it.
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You still didn't answer me. I know what you're saying, though....or at least I understand it. I just don't agree.
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