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Wow Homer, I like your passion it reminds me of the belushi rant of the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor in "Animal House". Where has it been pointed out and by WHOM that he didn't work well with teammates, what the story that fat boy Sean Smith took a shot? Where is Smiths career three NFL teams later than such an opinion can be so valued ver batum ? Then I agree that AFTER he held out(Quinn) that DA held the reigns( he could not beat out Frye) for a glorious 9 game stretch that he parlayed into a big contract and became the horse that Buttercup(Crennel) and Phil would ride into their oblivion. Quinn finally got a chance in 08 and played GREAT vs the broncos and played and finished the Buffalo win with an injured throwing hand. You then go on to say Quinn did not show practice, leadership, execution. Well, when we hired yet another rookie OC and traded our top receiving targets and added a Horrid RT and tried to coax another year out of a punch drunk RB...well , execution is tough. Peyton manning or Tom Brady may have looked VERY ORDINARY in a Cleveland Uni with such a surrounding cast of players and coaching. Quinn by all accounts, even the Mangenious said he practiced hard. Now for leadership, I think The king of Quinns tried to break Quinn here, can't prove it, but on the field Quinn conducted the offense a LOT better than a guy with so little experience and talent around him should have. I also think Quinn who was yanked after starting vs three hot september teams,( Vikings, Ravens and Donks) was going to sit the bench till hell froze over or the Mangini era. That brings me back to the King of Queens Mangini. he stripped the team of Winslow and Edwards, sat Robiskie all year signed the worthless TE Royal and a Horrid RT in St. Clair, coaxed another year out of Punch drunk Lewis and sat Harrision until lewis got hurt. Then you can evaluate, much less BLAME your QB...add a mediocre OC, who had no talent to work with and you see the problem. At 1-10 and the fans in a foulmood Quinn puts his house up for sale and sets aflame a media firestorm to the already hot glowing embers on the Mangini era in Cleveland. mangini who was dug in with 20QB rating DA or bust was busted and was forced by the media and fans to play a guy he not only did not like but had intentionally embarrassed him. Funny how the browns did something in some early Quinn games act 2( his return to action) SD Detroit they quit doing after but had great success. They left in Vickers at FB to pass block as well as run Block and he could and did quite well, pick up blitzers ANd they positioned the TE next to the Mummy at RT. Quinn threw 4tds and 34 points vs Detroit and the offense scored 24 fv the Chargers. inexplicably, in the following games, The mummy returned to his island and his "turnstiles" blocking and Vickers was pulled as a pass blocker. Go figure As far as never got a chance well here is where I thought the "QB Guru" Mike Holmgren,may help Quinn. But he shipped him off for a six pack and left us with a car thats been in the garage for 8 seasons and one on blocks he is paying 7 MILLION. You may see an improvement, but compared to what we got and what Quinn will do in Denver, pr fallout will hit fat boy Mangini next season. his only hope is Holmgren and heckert hits some big ones in the draft and the browns experience enough success that what Quinn can do in denver will not matter so much...except in an era of totally mercenary atheletes, the kid REALLY wanted to star in Cleveland, I hate it has to be Denver of all teams. Upon getting Quinn, the coach promptly dumped Simms the next day. And Orton, who was ready to hold out of minicamps because he did not get a big payday extension, well he is going to show up now. Quinn is wanted in Denver and is surrounded by three things he never had in Cleveland1) A coach that wants and values his talents 2) offensive talent far beyond what he had in Cleveland 3) play calling not reminiscent of the Tudor Electric Football playbook. I expect him to do very well this season and many to come. The fullback we got...we will carry him on the roster a in the same embarrassment we carried Mike Oliphant when he was traded for Earnest Byner. I don't expect anything from Denver's third string RB. 
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I'm tired of hearing how Quinn didn't get enough opportunity. I didn't think a qb could possibly play any worse than he did those first three games last year....then Anderson gave him a run for his money.  That was the worst consistent exhibition of qb play I've ever seen. No one with potential could play that badly for 3 consecutive games. Then he came back and did it again! The only game Quinn showed anything was against the Lion's defense. They both needed to go.
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I'm tired of hearing how Quinn didn't get enough opportunity.
And I'm tired of hearing how he did. See, what's the point?
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And I'm tired of hearing how he did. See, what's the point?
I'm tired of the entire argument,,he's gone.. Learn to live with it
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Exactly. I'm pretty sure the argument will subside soon enough. Or at least until football season starts and one person feels the need to come on here and gloat. "I told you he sucked" or "I told you he was gonna be good"!
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I'm tired of hearing how Quinn didn't get enough opportunity. I didn't think a qb could possibly play any worse than he did those first three games last year....then Anderson gave him a run for his money. That was the worst consistent exhibition of qb play I've ever seen. No one with potential could play that badly for 3 consecutive games. Then he came back and did it again! The only game Quinn showed anything was against the Lion's defense. They both needed to go.
We here is where we can BOTH agree, Quinn will get every opportunity from a Coach that tried to trade for him last year. Said coach has already dumped backup Simms and potential holdout Orton, who was miffed the Donks gave him no big payday extension based on beinng a 9 game wonder( see Phil on DA) was ready to hold out of minicamps...well according to Pro footballtalk.com that has all changed and he is showing up.
Quinn wil have a Coach who not only values his talent but is a fine offensive mind unlike what he left in Cleveland. There are reasons for Hope however that have NOTHING to do with the QB changes. RT Pashos, although no pro Bowler is light years better than Ecclair. The TE from NE, Watson, will put captain dropsy ( Royal)to the bench, if he makes the team. Harrison will have help at RB and the draft will bring more offensive and blocking help. So those two guys will not have to throw to the worst WR corp in Browns history, will not have Jamal lewis as their feature back. Face it, the mangenious threw out all the groceries, brought in rotted food and said to BOTH DA and Quinn, now cook me up something special...what a dope.
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feature back. Face it, the mangenious threw out all the groceries, brought in rotted food and said to BOTH DA and Quinn, now cook me up something special...what a dope.
My prediction is Quinn will still be Quinn in a Denver uniform. Who will be to blame then?
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Exactly. I'm pretty sure the argument will subside soon enough. Or at least until football season starts and one person feels the need to come on here and gloat. "I told you he sucked" or "I told you he was gonna be good"!
Then It's a good thing I'm neither.. I wanted him to succeed.. it's better for the Browns.. and let's not forget,, The Browns are why we are on this website..
But I've accepted that the new powers to be have decided that they know better than I do about such things..
If they turn out to be right, that's fine because moving on will no doubt help the Browns get better.. But we will have still wasted the time on him.
If they turn out to be wrong, thats sad because it will cause further time to be spent finding a starter.. but at least we did move on.
no reason to gloat over either outcome.. this is a NO WIN situation no matter how it turns out in the end.
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Jeez, people didn't react like this when Tim Couch left - and Couch was better than Brady Quinn.  He's gone, let's all do a collective "get over it".
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Jeez, people didn't react like this when Tim Couch left - and Couch was better than Brady Quinn.
He's gone, let's all do a collective "get over it".
But what will we kvetch about until Draft Day?
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there's a couple guys here who have Mangini to kick around 'til then.
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I would remind people that the rap on Delhomme is not really that he throws a ton of ints.. the rap is that he throws them in bunches. Go look at his game logs, he'll have a strings of games sometimes 4 or 5 in a row where he throws 0 or 1 int per game... then he'll throw 4 in one game..
Go look at the stats, year by year, and you will see a guy with a number of 3 and 4 int games (too many really) but a whole host of 0 and 1 int games.
So if history follows him here, which it likely will, don't expect him to throw a couple ints a game because it's not going to happen, he's going to look great for a while, then throw out a 4 int performance.. or (and I hope this doesn't happen) he might throw out a 4 int performance in week one, which will bring out the boo birds and the "why did we bring in this guy, he's no better than what we had" rants...
All in all, Jake is better than any QB we've had but he will, if he plays 16 games, he WILL lose 2 or 3 of them almost by himself with a bunch of ints... mark it down.
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Face it, the mangenious threw out all the groceries, brought in rotted food and said to BOTH DA and Quinn, now cook me up something special...what a dope.
So all the other players on offense are rotten food and DA/BQ are fresh food being ruined?
You have gotta be kidding me man. We have dealt with bad O-Lines before, this year's was not the worst. And players dropped balls, but most of the passes thrown by DA and BQ were really bad.
No matter what better players with make a QB look better. But a better QB makes his teammates look better too.
If you could really watch the way that Quinn and Anderson have thrown the ball the past two season and tell me that they are good QBs you are nuts. I expect Quinn to be bad in Denver. Now if his team's better, may be he'll do better ALA Kyle Orton, but I don't think Quinn's accuracy issues are just going to go away.
He sucked for the Cleveland Browns, and the things that we can hold him accountable for over the past two years, he's failed at. He is not an accurate passer and his hestitant to throw the deep ball. He is off target in his short/medium passes and that's supposed to be his bread and butter.
Sure, Quinn didn't have a chance to be great last season, but he could have been a lot better than he was. I don't think this trade was a mistake at all...............
All I'm saying is if you can call the other players on our offense rotten, you better be willing to call Quinn and DA rotten too. Because when Peyton Manning played his rookie year on the Colts, they sucked, but you could still see he was deadly accurate. Quinn, he shows very little physical ability other than his alpha-male tarzan-like physique
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feature back. Face it, the mangenious threw out all the groceries, brought in rotted food and said to BOTH DA and Quinn, now cook me up something special...what a dope.
My prediction is Quinn will still be Quinn in a Denver uniform. Who will be to blame then?
My guess is McDaniels. He couldn't work with Cutler and he didn't give Quinn enough chances ... so he is another one who knows nothing about QBs.
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feature back. Face it, the mangenious threw out all the groceries, brought in rotted food and said to BOTH DA and Quinn, now cook me up something special...what a dope.
My prediction is Quinn will still be Quinn in a Denver uniform. Who will be to blame then?
Mangini for "ruining him." 
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I don't think Mangini is a bad coach.
I DO think Quinn rubbed Mangini the wrong way and that has 'a little to do' with Quinn being traded.
I've said my piece on the Quinn trade, now I think it's time to move on and support OUR Browns... MH and EM included.
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Yep,...I think I am done on this subject. Time for the Draft.
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I doubt anything Mangini had to say influenced Holmgren in terms of Quinn. Holmgren came here having pretty-much made up his mind about our QB's. He knew Anderson was gone because of his contract. He probably knew Quinn was gone but had to find something to replace him with first, just to cover his butt, which is why he hedged his bets with all the talk about not having enough time to evaluate him.
Let's be honest with ourselves here. It's not as if Holmgren was stunned to learn someone of Joe Montana's caliber had become available so he immediately upgraded. It's Jake Freakin' Delhomme who he jumped on. 
I don't put much stock in Mangini. He's a puppet head coach. This is Holmgren's show, and he had seen enough of Quinn already. It looks like the rest of the NFL had also, considering we got a 3rd string RB and a couple of nothing picks for him.
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It looks like the rest of the NFL had also, considering we got a 3rd string RB and a couple of nothing picks for him.
And if that's the best anyone would offer (I assume it was) then that kinda tells you the value placed on Quinn.. Scary isn't it?
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I'm tired of hearing how Quinn didn't get enough opportunity.
And I'm tired of hearing how he did. See, what's the point?
Sometimes the truth hurts. 
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I will give you credit Joe. your the same cranky old fart on this board as you are on the other one If Quinn bombs in Denver are you going to admit you were wrong about him?
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There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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I think it's also a little hypocritical of Holmgren to say that it would have been unfair to unseat Mangini after just one year of coaching... then he says the same thing about Quinn, with him having about 12 starts, but lets him go...
I understand why he did it.. but Quinn should of had a full season to show what he can do..
If he had any hope of Quinn being the answer he wouldn't of traded him. MH is a guy who has been around good/great QBs.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I will give you credit Joe. your the same cranky old fart on this board as you are on the other one If Quinn bombs in Denver are you going to admit you were wrong about him?
That's about as likely as the folks admitting getting rid of Anderson was mistake if he lights it up in Az.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Wow Homer, I like your passion it reminds me of the belushi rant of the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor in "Animal House". Where has it been pointed out and by WHOM that he didn't work well with teammates, what the story that fat boy Sean Smith took a shot?
Read the articles that where posted (on this site and in the Quinn threads), I'm not your google.
It's also been mentioned by others (not me) about body language during games.
Think about one thing: How do you get somebody to punch you? Do you think that a strong leader in the locker room is a guy who gets punched? Yes, I know Sean Smith was a arse. However, do you think he had any fear of retaliation by other players?
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I'll give him this - he uses more metaphors than anyone ai know. Not that they all make sense!
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sean smith wasn't a "professional" but no one is stupid enough to jeapordize his career by punching the franchise qb who was the most loved (justified or not) player on the team. there is no chance that quinn did not have some responsibility in getting punched and to this day, details still haven't leaked. if it were all smith's fault, that would've leaked easily but it was clear the organization locked that down so nothing would get out. further, in last season, quinn was consistently ignored by furrey and other players rolled their eyes when he talked to them. it was clear he wasn't respected and details from a link supported that. this was that read, http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a..._wimbley_carr)/ Quote:
So what happened? The short answer is that a prolonged holdout ruined his standing with his new teammates and Quinn never recovered. He just didn’t click with his teammates, and he certainly didn’t click with Eric Mangini. It didn’t help that he couldn’t stay healthy, but over the years several Browns have taken quiet snipes at Quinn’s self-absorbed persona, and he rarely socialized with any teammates.
And there is a huge lesson there for the teams about to draft the more prominent quarterbacks, and those quarterbacks themselves too. All the physical ability in the world doesn’t mean much if the QB doesn’t fit in well or possess innate natural leadership, nor enjoy the process of being the face of the franchise. Quinn failed in Cleveland in those aspects, and that long rookie holdout lies at the root. It didn’t help that the on-field performance was shaky, but worse throwers have been given much more rope because of their leadership and intangibles.
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sean smith wasn't a "professional" but no one is stupid enough to jeapordize his career by punching the franchise qb who was the most loved (justified or not) player on the team. there is no chance that quinn did not have some responsibility in getting punched and to this day, details still haven't leaked. if it were all smith's fault, that would've leaked easily but it was clear the organization locked that down so nothing would get out.
further, in last season, quinn was consistently ignored by furrey and other players rolled their eyes when he talked to them. it was clear he wasn't respected and details from a link supported that.
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So what happened? The short answer is that a prolonged holdout ruined his standing with his new teammates and Quinn never recovered. He just didn’t click with his teammates, and he certainly didn’t click with Eric Mangini. It didn’t help that he couldn’t stay healthy, but over the years several Browns have taken quiet snipes at Quinn’s self-absorbed persona, and he rarely socialized with any teammates.
And there is a huge lesson there for the teams about to draft the more prominent quarterbacks, and those quarterbacks themselves too. All the physical ability in the world doesn’t mean much if the QB doesn’t fit in well or possess innate natural leadership, nor enjoy the process of being the face of the franchise. Quinn failed in Cleveland in those aspects, and that long rookie holdout lies at the root. It didn’t help that the on-field performance was shaky, but worse throwers have been given much more rope because of their leadership and intangibles.
Thanks Dong for finding that, I was too lazy to look.
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How could anyone be upset with losing quinn. He had his chance to develop and showed us nothing!!! I dont remember any players rallying around the guy and the team seemed to support da more than quinn mid season. Not saying da was any better but at least he had support from the coaches and players.
Brady quinn had four years at notre dame and 3 years for the browns to show he was worth something. He mightve progressed at calling audibles but was embarrassing as a passer. Jon gruden was laughing at him during the ravens game and how many times did we see daboll shaking his head when brady quinn would go through another three and out.
Quinn's ceiling was nothing more than a kyle orton mediocre qb. he couldnt make a touch pass for the life of him and when he had longer than 4 seconds to throw he would tuck it and run to the line of scrimmage for a wasted play. Both delhomme and wallace will outplay quinn this upcoming year and we'll have holmgrens hand picked project to work on. Not some overhyped ND qb... Rick Mirer 2.0...
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I'm tired of hearing how Quinn didn't get enough opportunity.
And I'm tired of hearing how he did. See, what's the point?
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired ....
Oh .. and I'm sick and tired of seeing our QBs ignore receivers running wide open .......
Hopefully that won't happen nearly as much this year.
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I agree Homer that while being an expert at gleening tidbits and making sweeping statements you are also an expert in Body language, that is some set of skills i must agree. The broncos got Quinn for a ham sandwich so says an article by a usual browns hater Pete prisco, but this time I agree, must have been the green beer. No one cried over Couch( except Couch) because he had five excruciating long years to prove he was a bum. Quinn had 12 games. But I agree he looked lost at times last year..but lets take a time machine back and how the table was set....WE dump Winslow for chump change and turn it into a LB who sat the bench all year(veikune) then Mangini kokinis braintrust signed Robert Royal 11 catches 6 drops for the year,,, Winslow, what he got about 70 balls..hmm hmm. That sure helped both QBs. he dumped Shaefer a mediocre RT and signed the Horrid St. Calir, better known as "turnstiles"..so now we have no TE and no blocking. We sign the mediocre hadnot and a porckchop and there goes RG as well. feeling warm and Fuzzy yet. We dump Edwards and leave the worst WR set in the NFL, of which our top pick at the position can't seem to find the field despite such a motley crew... What a Pick! We give away the top pick to the jets for an assortment of schlebs but we did get a fine center...all in all the most One side trade to get a franchise QB in some time... Then we go with a punch drunk RB and sit Harrison till the last 5 games..hm hmm real smart. Stir in a rookie OC who'se plays were reminiscent of Tudor Electric Football and what do you have. Now lets evaluate our QBS... Sorry Peyton Manning and Tom Brady would have been hard pressed with our bunch. But I agree it makes some here feel better about this horrid one sided trade to mock Quinn, fire away. But beavus and butthead( now you got me doing it) we signed already make me miss Quinn. We now are forced to develop uet another QB When quinn has Denver playoff bound and we are in the AFC north cellar then the King of Queens will be history and we will be rebuilding yet again.
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No one cried over Couch( except Couch) because he had five excruciating long years to prove he was a bum.
You must not have been on these boards back then. Same scenario now.....If we gave Quinn 5 years and he continuously stunk up the joint there would still be people crying that he didn't get a fair shake. He needed to go....his 3 years here were nothing but controversy and miserable football and there was absolutely no upside in keeping him on the roster.
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When quinn has Denver playoff bound and we are in the AFC north cellar then the King of Queens will be history and we will be rebuilding yet again.
Then go watch them. What's the point of being here crying over your green beer about a player whose team mates didn't like anyway.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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No one cried over Couch( except Couch) because he had five excruciating long years to prove he was a bum.
You must not have been on these boards back then. Same scenario now.....If we gave Quinn 5 years and he continuously stunk up the joint there would still be people crying that he didn't get a fair shake. He needed to go....his 3 years here were nothing but controversy and miserable football and there was absolutely no upside in keeping him on the roster.
1 game, 2 games, 2 years, 5 years............It's all the same. People cried for Timmuh after five long years. People cried for him even after he was mad Butch locked him out of Berea, went to Green Bay, showed up KNOWING he was damaged goods with a bum shoulder, then proceeded to file a grievance against Green Bay when he was cut, and bilked them out of several hundred thousand dollars. 
And people STILL ride his jock. 
Whether it's 1 year or 3 years, 12 games or 60, some will still carry Quinn's banner.
My strongest and best argument regarding evaluating a player after "only" 12 starts is as follows: Many QB's don't get the perfect set of circumstances that fans want when trying to prove what the player has.
And they don't need it.
The organization see's the players every day in practice, OTA's, and scrimmages. Even on bad teams, good QB's show that special something that proves they have "it." Does the occasional QB get "it" when they reach the back end of their career? Sure, but the vast majority don't.
Quinn had ample opportunity to prove himself. He didn't. One of the best QB-guru's in the HISTORY OF THE ENTIRE NFL just sent him packing for a 3-day old bagel and some used Pez on layaway.
Case closed.
I hope people will forgive me for not losing sleep over the trepidation of Quinn coming back to haunt the Browns for the next decade................
(C'mon, Ref, if you're gonna edit the post, don't be sloppy with the color tags
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When quinn has Denver playoff bound and we are in the AFC north cellar then the King of Queens will be history and we will be rebuilding yet again.
Until that happens, I would say keep your tinfoil hat on and keep hoping that Holmgren gets it right.
BTW, there is a very small chance your "vision" comes true. Quinn won't even beat out Orton for the starting job. The only thing is, Broncos fans won't be chanting Brady anytime soon, because they know he's a bum.
you had a good run Hank.
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Only if I'm calling myself a name, because I'm aligning myself with Jfanet on this one.
If having a sense of humor gets me banned, so be it.
(God knows I've done enough over the years to probably earn one just on reputation alone. )
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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In the old days (old board) you could get banned for someone else's reputation, so, things are looking up!
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