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Ughh are you saying this was not the WORST browns receiving corp all time. I have been a fan since 1964 and i have NEVER seen such a motley cast, add that the browns brown pantyhose unis and I swear they looked like a womens pro team.
Aquote out of context by Kosar and we are to assume what percentage of those missed passes were DAs and which were Quinns.
Bottom line, add a porous right side of the oline, an inept TE replacing a probowler dumped for peanuts( I mean Viekune, so make that boiled peanuts) and replaced b Royal, a punch drunk RB who kept Harrison on the bench all year, we dump Edwards early in the year and leave the least talented, rawest group of WRS in the entire NFL and Browns history and add an unimaganitive playcalling by another rookie OC and well you see what happens.
So we will see who is right. He goes to a coach that tried to trade for him last year and leaves the King of Queens, whom he embarrassed into playing again after a 1-10 start and the hot flames licking his behind...He goes to a top play calling, with top recieving, excellent young RBs, a solid TE and solid oline. We get to see real fast who is correct. The NEXT DAY DEnver dumps Chris Sims and holdout Orton decides quickly he will show at minicamp. Wwe got a ham sandwich and two nags at QB. 
Whenever I read your posts I can't help but think of the Randy Quid Character yelling from the stands in Major League and Major League II.
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Anyone who calls Peyton Hillis a "ham sandwich" is either misinformed or not all there.
From the looks of that highlight clip, he looks more like a "hammer sandwich" to me.
Despite akronjoe's protestations to the contrary, I'm still very cool with this deal.
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You said a lot of stuff in your reply to me .... but didn;t answer the questions I asked.
That's cool if you have no answers. I understand.
Again, what did you see Quinn do that you would classify as strengths? What areas did you feel that he could improve upon? Or .. would you rather talk about context and ham sandwiches instead of actual events on the field?
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You said a lot of stuff in your reply to me .... but didn;t answer the questions I asked.
That's cool if you have no answers. I understand.
Again, what did you see Quinn do that you would classify as strengths? What areas did you feel that he could improve upon? Or .. would you rather talk about context and ham sandwiches instead of actual events on the field?
Seems my reply was deleted or something, And I agree, you did not see worth in Quinn and are happy with the ham sandwich and Denver's coach dumped the back up QB ham sandwich the next day. Also Orton ended his planned holdout, I guess they also so merit in this player. I also agree how important it is for many to trash former players to justify stupid moves.
The best Quote in your post was about if you don't see history you repeat it or words to that effect. We strip the QBs of a decent RT( Scheaffer )and trade for a terrible RT, we get chump change for an all pro TE ( Winslow)and get Robert Royal HA HA HA, that turned out great, We dump Edwards for chump change and leave the QBs with the Worst WR set in pro ball( that worked out great for the team), we then dump Both QBs for one ham sandwich before the next season because of the sagacity of the aforementioned trades and get a washed up QB( Jake) and a career journeyman. Yes we the fans in Cleveland get to see history repeat itself like a perpetually bad " Groungdhog Day" ( like the movie).
While Holmgren upgradedat RT and TE, QB looks very scary. But Denver got the guy( Quinn) that the coach wanted last year and we have to draft a QB for Jake to have someone to mentor as the only young QB, Ratliff was thunderdome Horrible.
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Do you realize that your use of "ham sandwich" is tired and not the least bit cute? Give it up already. 
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OK ... you have the rambling ... and the "Ham Sandwich" ..... "King of Queens" ... and a few other choice sayings down pat ... but you still have not answered my question.
Here it is once again. Perhaps you can actually talk football in Pure Football instead of deli talk ....
Again, what did you see Quinn do that you would classify as strengths? What areas did you feel that he could improve upon?
Then I'll ask you one more question that ypu probably won't answer either ......
In the past decade ... out of all of the 1st round QBs who have woiund up being cut by their drafting team, how many have gone on to do anything of consequesnce in the NFL?
Now, I suppose I'll read about ham and queens and other stuff that has nothing to do with football .... but I am putting out the invite if you actually want to talk about ..... football.
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He has to be Diam pulling one of the greatest ghosting attempts of all-time. 
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Do you realize that your use of "ham sandwich" is tired and not the least bit cute? Give it up already.
Hey. Hey. Hey .... do you have any idea how hard it is to hit the ham sandwich trifecta in a single post like he did?
Toasted, Grilled, and on a Kaiser Roll .....
It's Genius, I tell you ..... Genius!
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Being as his name is Akron Joe and he keeps reffering to sandwhiches....
I'm starting to wonder if he is the scruffy guy that works at the Diamond Deli.
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OK ... you have the rambling ... and the "Ham Sandwich" ..... "King of Queens" ... and a few other choice sayings down pat ... but you still have not answered my question.
Here it is once again. Perhaps you can actually talk football in Pure Football instead of deli talk ....
Again, what did you see Quinn do that you would classify as strengths? What areas did you feel that he could improve upon?
Then I'll ask you one more question that ypu probably won't answer either ......
In the past decade ... out of all of the 1st round QBs who have woiund up being cut by their drafting team, how many have gone on to do anything of consequesnce in the NFL?
Now, I suppose I'll read about ham and queens and other stuff that has nothing to do with football .... but I am putting out the invite if you actually want to talk about ..... football.
So if I eat a ham sandwich while watching King of Queens does that make me more of a fan?
Seriously what the heck are you guys even talking about? Every thread seems to have reference to a ham sandwich....I dont get it!!!
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Seriously what the heck are you guys even talking about? Every thread seems to have reference to a ham sandwich....I dont get it!!!
Its akronjoe, he keeps referring to someone as the king of queens.. and I think it's hillis that he calls a ham sandwich..
As in, we traded Quinn for a "ham sandwich" get it 
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I bet he is singing a different tune when Hillis plows into the endzone for a TD with a bunch of steelers hanging off of him....
My first reaction to this trade was like WTF...then I sarted to think about it and it really does make sense for us. Now we dont have to worry about drafting a bruiser RB in the draft as we have just got ours via the trade...I wanted Quinn to work out but if the Big Show thinks he isnt the answer then thats that....dont matter if we agree or not we arent running the show he is.
Now we can focus on our need areas in the draft, CB, S, RG, LB, WR...I think Delhomme and or Wallace will be able to win us some games that Quinn and DA couldnt....good things to come this season!
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 I can hear it now......Ham Sammich in for the score!!!!!
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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Seriously what the heck are you guys even talking about? Every thread seems to have reference to a ham sandwich....I dont get it!!!
Its akronjoe, he keeps referring to someone as the king of queens.. and I think it's hillis that he calls a ham sandwich..
As in, we traded Quinn for a "ham sandwich" get it
I have to laugh at the responses. The king of Queens is Mangini. And my scruffiness reside in Atlanta not at any Diamond grill. I miss my hometown but mangae to try to catch a game every year but last year. All those preseason flubs did not incline me to watch the mess, I also do not slow down at highway accidents.
Yeah I agree I beat the ham sandwich analogy to death but we got so little for Quinn and I actually pilferred the quote from another national writer but my bad, for passing it off as mine, i just thought it was Both accurate and funny.
I agree my posts have stirred negative angst and as much as i would like to go with the prevailing opinions mouthed here, yet I must go with what my own eyses see. I really hope i am wrong, I think being in the Dog pound during the "drive" and having the drunks shout in Unison, Superbowl and Elway"s a fag when they were at the two and I was screaming to shut up the game is not over...why it scarred me and the Quinn stupidity may just be a flashback to the original trauma...I really hope so. Yet I just don't see our present options at QB as less than an abject disaster and see Quinn and Denver of all teams profiting from a Browns blunder again. 
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I can hear it now......Ham Sammich in for the score!!!!!
Ah crap... I was hoping next year I'd get to be the first to post "TOUCHDOWN, HAM SANDWICH!"
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Seriously what the heck are you guys even talking about? Every thread seems to have reference to a ham sandwich....I dont get it!!!
Its akronjoe, he keeps referring to someone as the king of queens.. and I think it's hillis that he calls a ham sandwich..
As in, we traded Quinn for a "ham sandwich" get it
I have to laugh at the responses. The king of Queens is Mangini. And my scruffiness reside in Atlanta not at any Diamond grill. I miss my hometown but mangae to try to catch a game every year but last year. All those preseason flubs did not incline me to watch the mess, I also do not slow down at highway accidents.
Yeah I agree I beat the ham sandwich analogy to death but we got so little for Quinn and I actually pilferred the quote from another national writer but my bad, for passing it off as mine, i just thought it was Both accurate and funny.
I agree my posts have stirred negative angst and as much as i would like to go with the prevailing opinions mouthed here, yet I must go with what my own eyses see. I really hope i am wrong, I think being in the Dog pound during the "drive" and having the drunks shout in Unison, Superbowl and Elway"s a fag when they were at the two and I was screaming to shut up the game is not over...why it scarred me and the Quinn stupidity may just be a flashback to the original trauma...I really hope so. Yet I just don't see our present options at QB as less than an abject disaster and see Quinn and Denver of all teams profiting from a Browns blunder again.
So you didn't even watch a game last year? Maybe that's why you're in such denial about the putrid QB play we had last season. That explains a lot.
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I bet he is singing a different tune when Hillis plows into the endzone for a TD with a bunch of steelers hanging off of him....
My first reaction to this trade was like WTF...then I sarted to think about it and it really does make sense for us. Now we dont have to worry about drafting a bruiser RB in the draft as we have just got ours via the trade...I wanted Quinn to work out but if the Big Show thinks he isnt the answer then thats that....dont matter if we agree or not we arent running the show he is.
Now we can focus on our need areas in the draft, CB, S, RG, LB, WR...I think Delhomme and or Wallace will be able to win us some games that Quinn and DA couldnt....good things to come this season!
Tubby, I like what the "big Show" did in getting Pashos and Watson upgrading two positions that were at defcon 4. he dumped both Quinn and Anderson but I really believe a Big Part was that in No Way did Mangenious want Quinn so Big Show put a nice spin and talked about whom he picked up. yet if Quinn succeeds in Denver does that mean "the Big Show" has lost his touch, I may add I believe there were other factors and Mike Holmgren thought the best thing for all concerned was "the Show must go on ..without Quinn.
I would also add that having Quinn would create a situation where the fans would get restless should jake and Seneca flounder whereas now they can flounder in relative peace and yet Flounder they will. While I agree with the other moves by "the Big Show" I must add that I believe there were more factors than Quinns ability. If Quinn does well it does not mean Holmgren has "lost it" because i think the way Mike handled what could have been an ugly press conference was handled like celebrity roast I just think that Quinn was popular with many fans and Mangini did not want him, end of sentence and Mike did what he had to, yet I do not have to like it or add to the trashing of a QB whose dream was to wear the colors.
I will never understand the need of many fans to trash a player to {justify} {curious} player moves and add i did this myself when I called Hillis a ham sandwich. My bad, I hope he works out great as a Cleveland Brown, I just hate to see a player do great in another city after we gave up on hime.. I have not seen such trashy scapegoating since the Browns fans trashed Earnest Byner when we made the ridiculous trade of Byner for Mike Oliphant.
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In PERSON Bubba, thanks to the wonder of NFL Sunday Ticket I watched most every excrutiating down..there were a couple games I bailed by the early fourth quarter I mimight add. Does that go in the category of not slowing for highway accidents to gawk at the carnage?
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In PERSON Bubba, thanks to the wonder of NFL Sunday Ticket I watched most every excrutiating down..there were a couple games I bailed by the early fourth quarter I mimight add. Does that go in the category of not slowing for highway accidents to gawk at the carnage?
Sure thing, Hoss.
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Tubby, I like what the "big Show" did in getting Pashos and Watson upgrading two positions that were at defcon 4. he dumped both Quinn and Anderson but I really believe a Big Part was that in No Way did Mangenious want Quinn so Big Show put a nice spin and talked about whom he picked up.
I HIGHLY doubt Mangini had a lot of say in this matter. Actually I bet MH and Mangin's first conversation was clear that the QB of the future was in no way on our roster.
Had Mangini wanted Quinn and MH didn't, Quinn would have been gone. Had Mangini not wanted him and MH did...he'd already be touted as our starter next year.
My point is that this had very little to do with Mangini but more to do with what MH thinks is best for this team.
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My point is that this had very little to do with Mangini but more to do with what MH thinks is best for this team.
AkronJoe doesn't like Mangini so I've decided to name everything that joe thinks Mangini is responsible for:
The Civil War
WWI
The Depression
WWII
Korean War
The Assasination of JFK
The Assasination of RFK
The Assasination of MLK
The Vietnam War
The Attempted Assasination of Ronald Reagen
George H. W. Bush getting sick at a State Dinner in Japan
9/11 Attacks
Tim Couchs failure as a QB
Kelly Holcombs failure as a QB
The day his car threw a rod
The economic meltdown of America (otherwise known as the recession)
Barack Obama got elected because of Mangini
It was manginis fault that John McCain didn't get elected
And it appears that a health care reform bill will be passed all because of Mangini
oh,, and Brady Quinn was Traded..
did I forget anything?
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did I forget anything?
Mike Holmgren mistakenly trading BQ for a ham sandwich. He thought he was just sending him out to pick up lunch. Hey, it happens.
Oh, and King of Queens getting cancelled.
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Ahh Yes,, Thanks for the help
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In another post you mentioned:
1. getting rid of Shaffer and getting St. Claire. I like Shaffer better, but Shaffer was due a contract that was starting left tackle money. I would like to have Shaffer come back as a back-up. Trade St. Claire and a 6th for Shaffer.
2. Trading Winslow and Edwards. Neither were going to return to Cleveland, so geting a HAM SANDWICH for them was better than getting nothing.
3. Brady still has a lisfranc injury, that few seem to mention. And a HAM SANDWICH in the hand is better than 2 Ruebens in the bush.
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Is AkronJoe a plummer ?
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You said a lot of stuff in your reply to me .... but didn;t answer the questions I asked.
That's cool if you have no answers. I understand.
Again, what did you see Quinn do that you would classify as strengths? What areas did you feel that he could improve upon? Or .. would you rather talk about context and ham sandwiches instead of actual events on the field?
Seems my reply was deleted or something, And I agree, you did not see worth in Quinn and are happy with the ham sandwich and Denver's coach dumped the back up QB ham sandwich the next day. Also Orton ended his planned holdout, I guess they also so merit in this player. I also agree how important it is for many to trash former players to justify stupid moves.
The best Quote in your post was about if you don't see history you repeat it or words to that effect. We strip the QBs of a decent RT( Scheaffer )and trade for a terrible RT, we get chump change for an all pro TE ( Winslow)and get Robert Royal HA HA HA, that turned out great, We dump Edwards for chump change and leave the QBs with the Worst WR set in pro ball( that worked out great for the team), we then dump Both QBs for one ham sandwich before the next season because of the sagacity of the aforementioned trades and get a washed up QB( Jake) and a career journeyman. Yes we the fans in Cleveland get to see history repeat itself like a perpetually bad " Groungdhog Day" ( like the movie).
While Holmgren upgradedat RT and TE, QB looks very scary. But Denver got the guy( Quinn) that the coach wanted last year and we have to draft a QB for Jake to have someone to mentor as the only young QB, Ratliff was thunderdome Horrible.
You do realize, I hope, that when you talk about trading braylon and the Browns being left with " the worst WR set in pro football" Edwards only had 56 more yards receiving and fewer yards per reception than Massaquoi. Not that either was great but you sure go out on a limb to make your point. I did not like the Winslow trade but we robbed the Jets in the trade for Edwards.
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If we would have kept Winslow last year, then what? He'd be gone now, as a FA. No way he stays. We still don't make the playoffs and now we'd get nothing in return for him.
How did Tampa's season turn out with him?
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How did Tampa's season turn out with him?
I've seen this rationale more than once on here and it's BS every time I see it.
Say you didn't like KW2. Say we had to get rid of him for whatever reason you can come up with. But don't blame TB's record on him.
TB is one of the few situations that was nearly as screwed up as ours. Just what were you expecting? Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl?
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That's true Otto,,, Winslow did have 77 receptions, 884 yards, 11.5 yard average and 5 TD's.... so he had a decent year.. The team as a whole wasn't very good at all,,
The real problem with Winslow was probably the contract situation.. but then, I'm not so sure, he did sign a new deal down in Tampa so maybe it wouldn't have been too bad..
I was more worried about how many years he was going to be able to play after all the injuries.... Maybe that wasn't something to worry about.. Time will tell..
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Not blaming Tampa's season on him. My point is that we wouldn't have been much better with him, just like Tampa wasn't. He wasn't going to turn our season around and he was going to be gone for no return after the season. We got something for him by moving him when we did.
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You do realize, I hope, that when you talk about trading braylon and the Browns being left with " the worst WR set in pro football" Edwards only had 56 more yards receiving and fewer yards per reception than Massaquoi. Not that either was great but you sure go out on a limb to make your point. I did not like the Winslow trade but we robbed the Jets in the trade for Edwards.
Edwards primary value is not in production, but in drawing attention from other playes. He's also an excellent blocker when he cares enough to try.
Most of last year's moves (both coming and going) were to establish a culture, not to improve the over-all talent base. In that same respect, moving Winslow and Edwards dropped our talent level a lot and boosted our culture a ton. For what they wanted to accomplish, both moves were successul, IMO.
We took a step back in talent when we lost Braylon and Winslow. Period.
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wow this really made me laugh. a high pick wr's job is to CATCH the ball, not to just draw attention and block. vickers' job is to block and if we need a draw attention, just put cribbs in at rb and let the qb throw to someone else.
we robbed them w the edwards trade, got value with winslow when we could and its time to move on from the brady experience.
if anyone REALLY watched our browns last year and still think brady can be a nfl qb, they should get their head checked
its like the father of a boy that plays football. you know the kind, the ones that complain that their son does not play. but every other player and parents know why he' not playing. its because they suck! but the people that still want quinn here are not even related to quinn.
some people need to just get over it. he is GONE. just move on, jmo
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wow this really made me laugh. a high pick wr's job is to CATCH the ball, not to just draw attention and block.
I think Danglet knows that about a top WR... he's saying that Edwards, who can't catch a cold, only has one value and that's as a decoy...
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Sadly, true. When you draft a WR that high, the expectation is that he is a #1 WR and puts up #1 numbers. Which he did, once. But reality is that his biggest asset was as a blocker, when he felt like it.
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Winslow could catch but not block.
Edwards could block but not catch.
Sounds like there is one good player between the two hiding somewhere.
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wow this really made me laugh. a high pick wr's job is to CATCH the ball, not to just draw attention and block.
I think Danglet knows that about a top WR... he's saying that Edwards, who can't catch a cold, only has one value and that's as a decoy...
Exactly, Daman
Why do people bring up draft position on players who have been in the league for a year or more like it matters or something.
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Well we could pair the ham sandwich up with Ahtyba Rubin or a Robert Royal(e) with cheese?
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