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New Browns quarterback Jake Delhomme was introduced to the Cleveland-area. Among the points he made was that it's his understanding that the Browns will run the same offense as last year with perhaps a little West Coast-style things added.
Some excerpts from Delhomme's visit:
On his bad season in 2009 with Carolina:
"I didn't play good football. Very simple. For whatever reason from Week 1 on. The 2009 year football-wise wasn't fun. We didn't have the same continuity on offense as years prior and I probably tried to press way too much. I wasn't being me."
On choosing the Browns over returning home to sign with New Orleans:
"The opportunity to compete here. I kind of new my role in New Orleans, without a doubt. I'm good friends with Drew (Brees). I wasn't ready for (holding the clipboard). I wanted to compete and I wanted to play."
On whether his experience for four years in New Orleans under a West Coast-scheme will help him here:
"I'm not exactly sure. We ran the West Coast offense in New Orleans. Over here, we're still going to be running a lot of the same things they ran last year with Brian (Daboll, offensive coordinator). Maybe there'll be some things sprinkled in here and there. Ultimately, it's about running, throwing, catching."
On the impact of his visit to Cleveland before he signed:
"I've been around. I wanted to see what I felt inside. I had a good feeling about a lot of things. I wasn't kissed up to, sort of speak. I don't like that kind of stuff. Let's talk, what needs to be done? What direction? Then signing the guys they did ... a big thing for me, last weekend and early last week, I researched this team and saw they started 1-11 and won their last four games. That's something. Something was happening, going in the right direction."
On his playing style:
"s a quarterback, I'm someone who's at my best just slinging it ... just out there playing, reacting, kind of bouncing around and having fun. These 16 games during a season -- that's it. They're important. You've got to let loose on Sunday and play.".
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This scares me... Quote:
"As a quarterback, I'm someone who's at my best just slinging it ... just out there playing, reacting, kind of bouncing around and having fun..."
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"As a quarterback, I'm someone who's at my best just slinging it ... just out there playing, reacting, kind of bouncing around and having fun..."
I'd rather have that than a QB who plays so tight you can't even fit a fiber optic up his ass...
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I don't know. Turnovers are killer. But so is not moving the ball. I'd take someone near the middle.
Delhomme's career high in INT's was last year with 18 (in 11 games). But before that he never had more than 16. And in 2008 he kept it down to 12.
In seasons where he starts more than 10 games he averages 14.6 INT's. I'd take that. As long as he slings 18 TD's (which is his average when he starts more than 10 games).
Looking at the guy's stats, he was off to a really good start in 2007 before he got hurt. In three games he was 2-1, had completed 64% of his passes, had 624 yards, 8 TD's, and 1 INT. I wonder what that season would have looked like if he hadn't gotten hurt.
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honestly, i'm not expecting much from teh qb position this season. i'd settle for 60% and a 1:1 ratio. with a decent running game, that should be enough to win us a few games. hell, we won 5 with way less production than that.
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Yeah, imagine if we can play like we did the last 4 games with some sort of QB production. And by QB production I mean more than 10 completions and more than 150 yards and maybe a TD (we didn't have any of those numbers together once in our 4 game winning streak).
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and really, i think it's a testament to our coaching staff that we had that record despite our qbs. i think it's amazing that, with no-name wrs, no worthwhile TE, and ridiculously atrocious qb play, we still won 5 games. crennel went 4-12 one year with a way better team.
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Faith in Jake is faith in this staff. Time for Dabholle to find a passing game that stretches the fiel towards those tall uprighty things this season. Had enough 3 and outs and rooting because we managed a first down or an eventual FG. Air it out effectively. Let's run to win. 
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Listening to the presser now..
He sounds a whole lot like a solid citizen.. fair minded.. knows who he is..
Is looking for a chance to fit in and give it another try fresh. MADE NO EXCUSES for last year.. didn't blame anyone else..
Seems like a good ole country boy.. I can see why Holmgren brought him in here. He's really the guy that will probably start this year but long term, he's a mentor to someone we draft this year..
Those of you worried about the "slinging it" comment, you really need to step back and listen to what he actually said.. it's not as scary as the written word made it sound.
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The slinging it comment should scare no-one. Tight was Brady Quinn in his worst games. I don't want tight.
Tom Brady uses that term a lot, also. I'm ok with a Tom Brady mindset.
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Yeah, but there's a huge difference between Tom Brady slinging it and Jake Delhomme slinging it.
I just don't want us to be down by a field goal with 30 seconds left on the 40 yard line and Delhomme throws a pick because he tried to go deep.
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I just don't want us to be down by a field goal with 30 seconds left on the 40 yard line and Delhomme throws a pick because he tried to go deep.
Well,, then you don't want ANY QB that's spent any time playing in the NFL,, it's happened to most all of them... 
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maybe but it goes both ways. i also wouldn't want to be down a field goal, on the 40, on 4th and 8 and have our qb dump off to the rb/te who had no shot at getting the first down.
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Holmgren brought Delhomme in as much for his locker room presence as he did for his on-field ability (maybe more). He's a good guy to have around, but let's be honest with ourselves: his best days are behind him at 35. Assuming he starts for us, we'll see some good things out of him, I'm sure. However, folks need to be ready for the multiple INT/fumble games too, because that has always been part of his game.
I just hope he rebounds from his 2009 campaign. He was horrible. I don't think he ever recovered from the 2008 debacle vs. the Cardinals in the playoffs (5 INTs + 1 lost fumble). That play seemed to carry right into 2009. We'll see...
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Is Delhomme our Jon Kitna?
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If Delhomme can perform like Kitna, I'd be very happy.
All I want while we build up the rest of the team is a QB who is going to keep us in games. I know that Delhomme had some turnover problems, but hopefully it was an anomaly.
I'll say again that it just seems people think that we'll win all our games, except if Delhomme turns the ball over. I think we're going to lose quite a few games just because we still aren't going to be very good. Now, there's a reason you play the games, and I'm not saying we're going to struggle just because I'm a "glass half empty" kind of guy (which I'm not). I just think we're not quite there, yet. Yet.
Let's fill in some pieces this year with the draft. We'll stay in some games this year that we wouldn't have last year and we'll improve some more. Then, 2011 is the year I expect we start contending, at least for the playoffs (at minimum).
I'm just trying to be realistic. You can't completely fix a team in one offseason, and we have to look at the 2009 season as a bit of a year 1 of rebuilding.
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LOL,, have you ever seen a group of fans jump to more conclusions than this bunch...LOL Cracks me up,,
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good comparison. and similar career numbers.
i'd say delhomme had a better overall career and was able to get his INT issues under better control than Mr. Kitna.
now, if he is our Kitna, let's hope he's more 02/03 Kitna than first year Cinci or his time in Detroit (way more INTs than TDs in all those years)
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I have stayed out of the fray so far  .. Signing Seneca and JD. didn't make me do hand stands & at my age that would really hurt .. Like what MH. has done so far ( except Hank ) and I understand ! My only hope is that If the FO drafts a QB in this years coming draft they Take a flyer on a late round pick and cross their fingers ... I not enamored with any of this years QB's... Draft should be fun .. And that's / that 
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maybe it's just me, but I think those knocking this signing are doing so because thier expectations are set too high..
I'm of the opinion that he's here to hold down the job for a while and mentor beyond that... I guess I'm not expecting him to lead us to the superbowl.... For what I think he's been hired to do, we could have done a helluva lot worse...
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It's kind of scary .....
I think that we could have won 6-8 games last year if we;d had a QB who could have thrown for 220 yards per game. (about the league average)
That's all.
We had the worst passing offense that I can ever remember seeing. We averaged 128 uards passing per game. That's almost comical it's so pathetic.
Our 2 stellar QBs combined for whopping 11 TD passes. The midpoint for teams was somewhere aroiund 21.
What would an extra 90 yards passing per game, and an extra 10 TD passes have meant? I bet it would have brought us 2-4 more wins.
What could it mean this seaon if we can continue to build on our newfound running game?
If our passing game can generate another 10 TDs (to get to league midpoint), and our running game can crank it up from the start and generate an extra 6 TDs to out us into the upper third of NFL teams .... and suddenly respectability doesn't seem so far away.
Do I think that Delhomme can produce 220 yards/game and 1 TD pass per game with the occasional 2 TD game? Seems likely to me. If both senarios happen ..... all of a sudden we have a resoectable scoring offense .... and all of a sudden we're pretty close to the other teams in our division as well.
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Hadn't thought of it in those terms..
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What would an extra 90 yards passing per game, and an extra 10 TD passes have meant?
That's really a loaded question ytown.. having an "average" productive offense would have gotten us to a slightly below average record because our defense was below average too... Simple logic says that if we have an average offense and an average defense we should have an average record... somewhere around 8-8.
Our QBs were awful, our receivers didn't help... I don't doubt that they weren't open sometimes and didn't get the ball, but it's not like we had GREAT receivers... we had no TE to speak of for most of the season and our running game was non-existent for a large part of the season... so yes, QB play was bad, but so was a lot of stuff...
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I think we are all underrating the season Massaquoi had. As a rookie with two crappy QB's throwing to him he had 624 yards and 3 TD's. Averaging 18.4 yards per catch.
Massaquoi wasn't great, but he was definitely a pretty good target.
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Bottom line it dosent matter what he says or what we say or think it all comes down to what he does on the field.....and we wont know that until next fall
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A style of "winging it" in the AFC North is beyond lethal.
sometimes lethal to our team and sometimes lethal to theirs. DA™did well in 2007 with that style. And, as mentioned here, Kitna did well for a few years with the Bengals with that style. Kitna was definitely a 'wingin it' style of QB and he played in the AFC North.
For that matter, Roeth is definitely that type of QB, Flacco more of a game manager in his style, and Palmer really not a good QB in either sense since his injury (ok, that's piling on Carson, he was a pretty good game manager last season).
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What would an extra 90 yards passing per game, and an extra 10 TD passes have meant?
That's really a loaded question ytown.. having an "average" productive offense would have gotten us to a slightly below average record because our defense was below average too... Simple logic says that if we have an average offense and an average defense we should have an average record... somewhere around 8-8.
Our QBs were awful, our receivers didn't help... I don't doubt that they weren't open sometimes and didn't get the ball, but it's not like we had GREAT receivers... we had no TE to speak of for most of the season and our running game was non-existent for a large part of the season... so yes, QB play was bad, but so was a lot of stuff...
Perhaps our receivers weren't great ...... but according to Kosar, when he watched the game tapes with Brian Daboll, there were almost always receivers open that the QB(s) just didn't get the ball to.
The audio link is in the Quinn thread. I do tend to trust Kosar at least as much as any other "expert" when it comes to breaking down tape .... and if he says receivers were open on almost every play, I tend to believe him.
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Perhaps our receivers weren't great ...... but according to Kosar, when he watched the game tapes with Brian Daboll, there were almost always receivers open that the QB(s) just didn't get the ball to.
The audio link is in the Quinn thread. I do tend to trust Kosar at least as much as any other "expert" when it comes to breaking down tape .... and if he says receivers were open on almost every play, I tend to believe him.
This dispelled one of the largest myths of the DA/BQ era, that no receivers were getting open.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Perhaps our receivers weren't great ...... but according to Kosar, when he watched the game tapes with Brian Daboll, there were almost always receivers open that the QB(s) just didn't get the ball to.
Of course we don't get to see the wide-range of the #2 camera's, but even on generic broadcast cam's we can see where receivers are open and our guys couldn't get them the ball.
One of the oldest cliche's in the game is also one of the truest:
Receivers rely on passers, not the other way around.
We didn't have all-pro's out there running around, but we didn't need'em. Our QB's just sucked. That's why they aren't here anymore.
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" but I think those knocking this signing are doing so because thier expectations are set too high.. "
Is that what you think?
You were all up and down on me for knocking this signing,and I have zero expectations from this guy.For gawd's sake he's got lingiune holding his arm together.Not all athletes make it back from TJ surgery.
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Perhaps our receivers weren't great ...... but according to Kosar, when he watched the game tapes with Brian Daboll, there were almost always receivers open that the QB(s) just didn't get the ball to.
The audio link is in the Quinn thread. I do tend to trust Kosar at least as much as any other "expert" when it comes to breaking down tape .... and if he says receivers were open on almost every play, I tend to believe him.
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That to me is one reason we should be somewhat happy with Delhomme. He's not great, but with his experience I would have to believe that he could find the open reciever. IMO his average game would be way better than we saw from either guy last year.
I laugh at the people who claim we could have stuck with Quinn another year until we rebuild the team around him. And then the same people are bashing Delhomme using comments that it sound like as if we signed him, he has to take us to the playoffs or he is a waste. Crazy double standard.
Anybody who believes that a seasoned player like Delhomme can't do what Quinn was expected to do is fooling themselves. His experience and past success IMO makes him a far better candidate to help lead this team thru the rebuilding that is going on.
I liked Quinn, but after watching him play, and at training camp, I have serious doubts about his skills and confidence. I saw no leadership from either QB last year, and it hurt this team. That will not be the case with Jake.
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Bottom line it dosent matter what he says or what we say or think it all comes down to what he does on the field.....and we wont know that until next fall
If we get solid production from the QB and our D improves (it was better in December once our "stars" like D'Qwell and Rogers went down), we might be OK.
I think we can fight for a wildcard in 2010 if we can get some breaks. I have to think this way, it's my nature.
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Yeah, but there's a huge difference between Tom Brady slinging it and Jake Delhomme slinging it.
I just don't want us to be down by a field goal with 30 seconds left on the 40 yard line and Delhomme throws a pick because he tried to go deep.
I get your point, but JD has pulled off a few impressive comeback victories as well.
I wouldn't expect the guy to be all world, he was signed for his leadership value, to replace guys we had that weren't even really grownups.
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Perhaps our receivers weren't great ...... but according to Kosar, when he watched the game tapes with Brian Daboll, there were almost always receivers open that the QB(s) just didn't get the ball to.
The audio link is in the Quinn thread. I do tend to trust Kosar at least as much as any other "expert" when it comes to breaking down tape .... and if he says receivers were open on almost every play, I tend to believe him.
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That to me is one reason we should be somewhat happy with Delhomme. He's not great, but with his experience I would have to believe that he could find the open reciever. IMO his average game would be way better than we saw from either guy last year.
I laugh at the people who claim we could have stuck with Quinn another year until we rebuild the team around him. And then the same people are bashing Delhomme using comments that it sound like as if we signed him, he has to take us to the playoffs or he is a waste. Crazy double standard.
Anybody who believes that a seasoned player like Delhomme can't do what Quinn was expected to do is fooling themselves. His experience and past success IMO makes him a far better candidate to help lead this team thru the rebuilding that is going on.
I liked Quinn, but after watching him play, and at training camp, I have serious doubts about his skills and confidence. I saw no leadership from either QB last year, and it hurt this team. That will not be the case with Jake.
I agree some here are fooling themselves and the idea of throwing your hat and a lot of $$$$ behind a QB on a downhill slolem to palookaville and dumping a three year QB with 12 starts would be included in ideas of grandiose self deception. I would add we now MUST get a QB from a mediocre stable THIS year or be stuck with a cast of Qbs that may make the fans pine for DA and quinn once more.
Smilin Mike though like a nice warm captain said all is fine that is NOT an iceberg, this guy has game. I really, wish Mike is correct, because my instincts of watching this team for a long, long time tell me we are whistlin past the graveyard.
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I haven't been on-board with signing Jake Delhomme as I didn't like what I saw of him the last couple years.
however, KC Joyner had an article on ESPN Insider yesterday that basically said much of what happened last year was not on him. he went through the tape and he has a bad decision metric. Delhomme actualy scored well on it.
anyone that has Insider should check out the article.
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I don't know. Turnovers are killer. But so is not moving the ball. I'd take someone near the middle.
Delhomme's career high in INT's was last year with 18 (in 11 games). But before that he never had more than 16. And in 2008 he kept it down to 12.
In seasons where he starts more than 10 games he averages 14.6 INT's. I'd take that. As long as he slings 18 TD's (which is his average when he starts more than 10 games).
Looking at the guy's stats, he was off to a really good start in 2007 before he got hurt. In three games he was 2-1, had completed 64% of his passes, had 624 yards, 8 TD's, and 1 INT. I wonder what that season would have looked like if he hadn't gotten hurt.
I was just looking over his stats, through the years. And one thing sticks out if you look at them, He throws pretty good games, ala 1 INT etc.. then one game he launches four. Throws a few more decent games. Then three more. And then afew more decent games. Then four INT's. Now I may be wrong here, but to me he is not an INT mcahine everyone thinks he is. I think in the games he throws more than two.. He is pressing.. Wanting something that is not there.
For a lot of the guys here that think JD is an INT machine, look at the stats of game by game and you will see he not a HOF'er that is for sure. But take out those crap three or four INT games. He really has not been that bad
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