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For a lot of the guys here that think JD is an INT machine, look at the stats of game by game and you will see he not a HOF'er that is for sure. But take out those crap three or four INT games. He really has not been that bad

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And if I lose 50 pounds I'll be a male swimsuit model........

It doesn't work like that. He threw 18 INTs. That is major suckage. Now, it may have been because of his recovery from surgery or it may have been something else. But you can't say, "Well if he hadn't sucked in 5 games he'd have been great".

Hopefully, it was something to do with his arm and it's healed up/better now. But I gotta believe that if Carolina thought there was any chance he could come back to form they wouldn't have flushed $12 million down the drain by cutting him. It's not like they are any better off at QB than we are, really.

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The young WR's will be better off learning from Jake

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I thought that was what the coaching staff was for.......

He'll be hard pressed to teach the Receivers if he's throwing more balls to the DBs than them.

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This thing with Holmgren is for the long-haul. I'd urge people not to get too hung up in Delhomme. He's a small, short-term piece to a huge, long-term picture.

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Sensible Take,, thanks

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Two penguins discuss the Jake Delhomme signing.


[Ref-00: Funny, but one of the penguins drops an F-Bomb... not suitable for here]

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This thing with Holmgren is for the long-haul. I'd urge people not to get too hung up in Delhomme. He's a small, short-term piece to a huge, long-term picture.

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I hope they hearya, Toadster. It's hard to explain chess to guys who are only comfortable with checkers,

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True words..

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That's what we call a conscious effort to see the glass half-full.

Here's the straight-poop about Delhomme:

He was a good...........not great...........starter in the league for 5 of his 6 full seasons in the league. That means he wasn't a fluke.

His arm surgery is a NON-FACTOR, as he had a full-season afterwards where he was, again, successful.

Unfortunately, his worst year came last year while he was 34, and it was pathetic. He was only available because he isn't a great QB.

The bottom line is that Delhomme, at best, is going to be a decent QB. At worst, he's a failure who is a one-year bridge to the next guy. He is going to commit turnovers. That's part of who and what he is. He's also a very likable guy who isn't going to be a locker-room turd like Quinn was.

He represents a worthwhile gamble who was the best bet available without being forced to spend huge dollars or high draft picks. Regardless of how Delhomme plays, he isn't long for this team. He's only here because he's near the end and what we had was crap, so going forward he's going to be replaced. We're banking that his knowledge of THIS offense is going to help him tap into what he was, as opposed to trying to make Quinn learn the offense while also showing he belongs in the league.

This thing with Holmgren is for the long-haul. I'd urge people not to get too hung up in Delhomme. He's a small, short-term piece to a huge, long-term picture.

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great post Toad, I agree that Delhomme was decent to good for 5 of six seasons and i will add that concern for his last 12 starts his 24 interceptions to 8 TDs is more than a LITTLE troubling. Carolina, who had LOVED and Cherished Their Jake, a great teammate and fan favorite was unceremoniously dumped because they saw a FREEFALL and their brass determined this was not a fluke and Jake was in RAPID decline. Enter the Browns, so generous of cash to the washed up by kindly vet that he determines{deludes} to himself he would rather start than go home to the Saints, a revered old vet. Fast forward as Jake must play the toughest defenses in pro ball in the AFC North and he may pine for the bayou; especially if Quinn excels in Denver.

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Terry Pluto's Talkin' ... about new Browns RB Hillis (and Delhomme, too), an Indian on the bubble and the Cavs' energetic Varejao
By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer
March 21, 2010, 2:50AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browsing through the Cleveland sports world, Terry Pluto's talkin' ...

About the Browns...

1. Remember when Jerome Harrison would play a bit, show real flashes, and then sit? Remember when some Browns fans wanted him to play more, and how they wondered how a guy who came into 2009 averaging 5.8 yards per carry (yes, limited duty), was being ignored? That's how Denver fans felt about Peyton Hillis.

2. The 24-year-old Hillis comes to the Browns after two seasons in Denver, where he gained 397 yards in 81 attempts -- a 4.9 average. The 6-2, 240-pound fullback actually led the team in rushing in 2008. He had 343 yards in 68 carries, 5.0 per carry. Five of those 68 carries went for touchdowns, another 24 of those 68 carries became first downs.

3. Last season, Josh McDaniels became the Denver coach. He didn't see the value of the punishing fullback from Arkansas, and gave him only 13 carries. He had one game of seven carries, good for 47 (6.7 average). McDaniels went with Knowshon Moreno (947 yards, 3.8 average) and Correll Buckhalter (642 yars, 5.3 average), making Hillis expendable.

4. It's easy to imagine Eric Mangini using two backs from the combination of Lawrence Vickers, Hillis and Harrison. By the end of the season, Vickers really impressed the coaches with his blocking and attitude. The Browns ranked eighth in rushing last season, sixth in running plays. At 6-2 and 240 pounds, Hillis is a nice contrast to the 5-9, 200-pound Harrison. The coaches also are working on long-snap Wildcat plays for Joshua Cribbs and Seneca Wallace.

5. Last season was only the second time since the team returned in 1999 that the Browns have ranked in the top 10 in rushing. The other season was 2007. In two of Mangini's three season with the Jets, his teams were in the top 10 in rushing.

6. The only way trading Kamerion Wimbley for a third-rounder makes sense is if the Browns are planning to trade for or sign another linebacker. While Wimbley was not a star, he had an excellent work ethic. He led the team with 6.5 sacks. The Browns sometimes used five linebackers, even six on a few occasions.

7. One NFL scout believes the Browns could take Georgia Tech defense end Derrick Morgan with the No. 7 pick. But the question is if he can play in the 3-4, either at end or outside linebacker. At 6-4, 272 pounds, he seems better suited for playing end in the 4-3 scheme. He had 18 tackles for loss, 12.5 sacks last season.

8. The Browns still must add defensive backs. They had two starters -- cornerback Eric Wright and safety Abe Elam. They have one solid backup in Mike Adams. They have Brandon McDonald, who has really slipped. They need at least two starters and one backup. It seems they must target someone such as playmaking safety Eric Berry with the No. 7 pick.

About Jake Delhomme...


Most readers know that I am not sold on Jake Delhomme even as a short term answer at quarterback because of all his turnovers, but ESPN's K.C. Joyner ("The Football Scientist") offered this:

"Delhomme looks to have a lot of the same type of high-risk approach to passing that plagued [Jay] Cutler last season. The overall numbers would seem to prove this point, as Delhomme threw 18 interceptions in the 11 games he played in. That prorates to a 26-interception pace over a full 16-game season, or nine more interceptions than Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson combined for in 2009.

"As daunting as those figures are, a closer look shows that the Browns have a good chance of improving their interception total with Delhomme under center. Only five of Delhomme's picks last season were due to a bad decision on his part. Most of the others came as a result of tipped, dropped or inaccurate passes. That compares quite well to the seven interceptions that Quinn and Anderson threw as a result of bad decisions."

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