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I just recently found some info about Hillis that I think defines how he runs. Although 2008 was his "big year." Hillis carried the ball from scrimmage only 68 times, but he averaged right at 5 yards per carry. Now here is hte part that was new to me. Of the 68 carries, 5 went for TD's and another 24 went for first downs. That sounds like some fair rushing.
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Lets be carefull about all these preconceptions regarding Hillis, Until he step on the field we dont know what we have, As Browns fans were always sitting around waiting for the next Bernie Kosar, Webster Slaughter, Jim Brown to walk out on the field and when they dont live up the that expectation from the get go we start to beat them down until they cant do anything right and we start yelling to replace, nothing wrong with high expectatrions, but we need to be fair and let them show what they got on the field.
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just another perspective.....
Hillis is replacing Lewis as our "big back".
While I'm not suggesting that Hillis is equal to or better than Lewis in his prime, don't you think we are a better off this coming season with Hillis rather than with Lewis?
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Lets be carefull about all these preconceptions regarding Hillis, Until he step on the field we dont know what we have, As Browns fans were always sitting around waiting for the next Bernie Kosar, Webster Slaughter, Jim Brown to walk out on the field and when they dont live up the that expectation from the get go we start to beat them down until they cant do anything right and we start yelling to replace, nothing wrong with high expectatrions, but we need to be fair and let them show what they got on the field.
You're no fun. You're right, but no fun. I just want to see some players who come in and get after it a bit. That's why I'm excited about Hillis. If he were the second coming of Jim Brown the Broncos would have never returned our calls. There was a reason Brown was a first rounder, a very good reason. I've said it over and over again... all I want is to see good football, that's it. If we have good football we will win games.
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just another perspective.....
Hillis is replacing Lewis as our "big back".
While I'm not suggesting that Hillis is equal to or better than Lewis in his prime, don't you think we are a better off this coming season with Hillis rather than with Lewis?
Funny you would mention that. Hillis hasn't even dawned a Browns uni yet but somehow he feels more like a Cleveland Brown than JL ever did.
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Lets be carefull about all these preconceptions regarding Hillis, Until he step on the field we dont know what we have, As Browns fans were always sitting around waiting for the next Bernie Kosar, Webster Slaughter, Jim Brown to walk out on the field and when they dont live up the that expectation from the get go we start to beat them down until they cant do anything right and we start yelling to replace, nothing wrong with high expectatrions, but we need to be fair and let them show what they got on the field.
You're no fun. You're right, but no fun. I just want to see some players who come in and get after it a bit. That's why I'm excited about Hillis. If he were the second coming of Jim Brown the Broncos would have never returned our calls. There was a reason Brown was a first rounder, a very good reason. I've said it over and over again... all I want is to see good football, that's it. If we have good football we will win games.
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So now, we've got what we got,...let's just hope he performs.
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YES! I certaintly do, Ole Twinkle Toes didnt have anything left in the tank the past 2 seasons. It was hard to watch him.
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I thought he was hard to watch when he got the 1,000,...kudos for basically doing it on his own, but we were so bad we had to throw (-but couldn't-) so the run was wide open ( -- twinkle toes or not,...  ). I'm glad that's over.
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Thanks for the props, akronjoe. I'm good for about 3 or 4 decent posts a year. Glad you agreed with some of it. I'd like to give you another way of looking at a couple things, if I may. Maybe it will slightly change your perspective, maybe not. Anyway, in for a pence/in for a pound. Here goes: Quote:
But using BPA as trading cards is what mangenious does, we dump Winslow and Edwards for chump change
Each of the two guys you used as examples were, in different ways, "damaged goods." Braylon Edwards, while possessing all the physical attributes one looks for in a prototypical WR had two knocks against him: a prima dona personality profile, and a schizophrenic pair of hands. Winslow was a phenomenal talent, but perpetually exercised bad judgement, to his own (and the team's) detriment.
When selling off players such as these (for whatever reason), you can only get what the market will pay. 31 teams had a shot at taking either of these two guys... and the price that was paid reflects what the other 29 teams thought of them. You can say that Mangini got hosed, but you can only do that with a straight face if you willingly choose to ignore half of the equation. In other words, we got what we got for those two because 29 other teams either offered less or took a total pass on them. When you're jettisoning players, it's almost always a "buyer's market." You can't sell what folks don't want to buy.
As for Quinn, the same truism holds. We can only sell him for what someone is willing to pay. Outside of that, our only other options are to keep him (which was clearly not in the new regime's plans), or release him... and get nothing for our 3 years' investment of time, training and money.
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I am sure Denver will give Quinn every opportunity to showcase his stuff and if we continue our mind numbing stupidity, I expect Vickers to be traded to make the Hillis trade look better. Soon Mangini will be another EX-Browns head Coach if he continues such sagacity.
You DO realize that Holmey and Hecky make the sagacious decisions now, don't you?
If you're going to hate on a person rather than The Game, at least hate on the right person. Blame Mangini for BE & K2 all you want, but remember this much: Brady Quinn is breathing thin air right now because Mike Holmgren picked up the phone... not Eric Mangini.
The bottom line is this: if Holmey wanted BQ to stay, he'd still be here. That's on the Prez of Ops... not the HC.
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I am so glad trolling the Denver board you found some fans that agree with your sage viewpoint, and suggesting I try to do the same is well, a waste of time. My opinions are mine and I do not need agreement from you or Denver fans, that is the beauty of an opinion, it is a personal thing, but i can understand you needing some quasi made up crowd to butress yours.
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Maybe my mind's failing in my advanced years, but I don't recall suggesting any such thing to you. Matter of fact, I think this is the first time I've ever posted directly to you. Could you have me mixed up with another poster? A little clarification would be appreciated... sometimes I post after a shot or two of Knob Creek, so I may have forgotten writing it. Got a link for me?
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ClayM57, you are right on with your rationale re: Hillis. I apologize if I seem more than mildly excited about Hillis' change of scenery.
I do not want to imply that he is the second coming of Jim Brown or any of the other great backs in Browns history. That's not fair to him, the players to whom he might be compared, or to Browns fans. He is Peyton Hillis. He drives a pickup truck, wears cowboy boots, listens to country music, and is just a "good ole boy." For better or worse, he will make his own mark in Browns history, but you're right -- he's not the second coming of Jim Brown. He's simply the first coming of Peyton Hillis.
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No need to apologize, were all hoping we get a excellent player, in the end were all here for one goal....BROWNS WIN
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OK,, you get my vote for the best apology this year so far.. But don't worry, by the end of the year, I'll have you on sheer volume of apologies...... Yeah, I screw up that much
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Around the 2:25 min mark he BEASTED Wimbley. Bulldozed him. Not sure how I feel about that, I have conflicted feelings as its watching a Browns player get beat, yet Wimbley is no longer on the team and Hillis is now a Brown. 
Ironically Wimbley got traded to Denver's rival, Oakland.
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I agree, I think Hillis is going to come in here and knock some heads off..Even if he is a Ham Sandwich! This is the type of player we here in Cleveland love and appreciate. This team is starting to collect a nice group of Football Players..Guys that love the game and appreciate being at this level and work their arses off. The guy loves to hit people and runs like a Fast Mike Alstott. Remeber what type of Players Mangini specified he liked and wanted..they are starting to show up and I think the Chemistry will start to show much like the Patriots of the earlier years, no big names just good football players that fed off each other and worked together with a common team goal.
those first patriots teams (2000-2002) were fun to watch. IN 2003 and 2004 they were the elite, obviously. But that first 2001 title run was amazing--other than Brady, McGinest, Milloy, Bruschi and maybe Troy Brown--they had role players.
Ted Johnson was good but aging, Slade was injured often, Katzenmoyer was not that good and their RBs were a joke.
They beat the '01 Rams in the best Super Bowl ever. Still amazes me.
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I want to see this guy going up the middle with Vickers leading him. Vickers will pancake the first guy, and Hillis looks pretty good at getting through his first tackler.
That would be a great goalline package.
Mack and Manoa reincarnated, but with more speed, too.
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ball, that's what Buffalo did when they had Thurman Thomas...if teams went big to defend Thomas, the Bills would go 3-wr, 1-te and Thomas and throw against a standard 4 DB set (2 CB, 2 S).
If teams went to nickel (4-2-5), Thomas would run their 6-man front over.
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He has a LONG way to go to be compared to either of those guys 
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I want to see this guy going up the middle with Vickers leading him. Vickers will pancake the first guy, and Hillis looks pretty good at getting through his first tackler.
That would be a great goalline package.
Mack and Manoa reincarnated, but with more speed, too.
or touchdown tommy vardell
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just another perspective.....
Hillis is replacing Lewis as our "big back".
While I'm not suggesting that Hillis is equal to or better than Lewis in his prime, don't you think we are a better off this coming season with Hillis rather than with Lewis?
Funny you would mention that. Hillis hasn't even dawned a Browns uni yet but somehow he feels more like a Cleveland Brown than JL ever did.
Hey Calzone you been in the oven too long and you burned your cheese. I agree that Hillis has never dawned a browns uniform and did SQUAT in 09 and I think all the excitement over his 08 cameo makes it a reasonable jump to dismiss two 1.000 yards seasons from Lewis. IF Hillis sees the field for more than 200 yards I would be suprised, in fact i would be surprised if he makes the squad. 
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in fact i would be surprised if he makes the squad.
You poor, poor misinformed soul, Joe. 
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The RB situation is one that I'm not worried about at all going into this season - nor the Draft. If anything, I'm just curious as to how it will shake out. I still worry about Harrison's durability, but he's proven to me that he can get it done in the feature role if we need to use him there. Hillis is a more proven commodity than anything else, and that will leave Jennings & Davis to fight for that last spot.
It's going to be fun to watch as we've got four young runners all with some promise to them.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Yeah, Lewis was great in that 2nd 1,000 yard season when he averaged 3.6 yards per carry.
1,000 are nothing in a 16 game season. If our starting running back averages only 62 yards a game I will be upset.
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shoot, Jamaal Charles had 930 yards in KC's last 8 games last year.
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do you have some kinda food fixation? geesh
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I would be suprised, in fact i would be surprised if he makes the squad.
would you like to make a signature line bet on that? let's say 2 weeks.
you win if he is cut. i win if he makes the team.
if he is placed on IR during training camp, we'll call it a push.
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I think he has brain damage from too much That wall should be replaced with a dead horse. It would be more appropriate for a guy who is still melting over decisions made over a year ago. Although I suppose he has only been melting down here for just a couple months.
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We need more Hall of fame predictions for a back that gained 50 yards last year. We need more ham sandwich jokes and we need to mock Brady Quinn more. We need to say Hillis is better than Jamal Lewis in his prime and we need more jokes about anu fan not delusional enough to think this was a good trade. The need to trash Quinn would not seem so important if Hillis were a capable back. Again, I doubt he makes the squad while i think has a great shot at starting for Denver. Hillis not only will not start at RB he will not start at FB, at best he is a short yardage back, and hopefully we are NOT dumb enough to move Vickers to justify the laim trade.
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We need Hall of Fame predictions for a QB who was part of one of the most inept passing attacks in modern NFL history? You still won't answer my questions about Quinn .... and I don't blame you. There really is no cause for anyone to think tat Quinn will rise above peanut butter and jelly level .... but keep on railing about ham sandwiches ... it really makes everyone else's points quite well.
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we need a dead horse and a barf gremlin
We need more Hall of fame predictions for a back that gained 50 yards last year. We need more ham sandwich jokes and we need to mock Brady Quinn more. We need to say Hillis is better than Jamal Lewis in his prime and we need more jokes about anu fan not delusional enough to think this was a good trade. The need to trash Quinn would not seem so important if Hillis were a capable back. Again, I doubt he makes the squad while i think has a great shot at starting for Denver. Hillis not only will not start at RB he will not start at FB, at best he is a short yardage back, and hopefully we are NOT dumb enough to move Vickers to justify the laim trade.
He's the #2 running back. Or the change of pace back.
What do you not understand about that? And what has Quinn done to make you think he's better than Hillis, who has had more productive games than Quinn?
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we need a dead horse and a barf gremlin
We need more Hall of fame predictions for a back that gained 50 yards last year. We need more ham sandwich jokes and we need to mock Brady Quinn more. We need to say Hillis is better than Jamal Lewis in his prime and we need more jokes about anu fan not delusional enough to think this was a good trade. The need to trash Quinn would not seem so important if Hillis were a capable back. Again, I doubt he makes the squad while i think has a great shot at starting for Denver. Hillis not only will not start at RB he will not start at FB, at best he is a short yardage back, and hopefully we are NOT dumb enough to move Vickers to justify the laim trade.
Sorry akron, should we instead be predicting a hall of fame career for a QB with a 66.8 QB rating, a 52 per cent completion rate and a yards per attempt average that is barely above Hillis' yards per carry average?
Hillis is not the second coming but the difference between him and Quinn is that Hillis will actually contribute to the Browns while Quinn will continue to perfect the art of looking intense on the sideline and getting Orton some gatorade.
Feel free to head to the Broncos message board if you want to continue to carry Brady's jock.
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I must agree with your suprise and add i would be surprise if he ever starts. I think being the "ham sandwich" in the trade of quinn for a ham sandwich is part of the problem. Or a ham sandwich and a beer( a sixth round pick) for Quinn. I must agree he better be some fine Ham sandwich to be remembered as Denver is still having a bellylaugh over the deal. 
Dude, go get a ham sandwich and a bottle of beer, then!
You must really be jonesing for a ham sandwich and beer!!
That actually does sound good, I think i'll have that for lunch...
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No doubt.
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No doubt.
It's almost unreadable. Well, actually....it is unreadable.
too bad that's not a bannable offense.
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I know,, the guy is fixated on Quinn and ham sandwichs..and he makes virtually no sense whatsoever
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